[CC4] KORT vs AKA 29-12 - Final 7/16

[freakns]

no, because you can not enforce any rule retroactive.
also, thats just my opinion, it isnt a rule yet, and there is a question will it ever be. if, however, that rule is taken, then you start from having that rule. you can not take actions retroactively.

and im not sure why do you think im tofu ass-licker? i said it publicly, i dont like what they have done, but i do not want to call them cheaters because of it, simply because they havent cheat anyone. you may notice i havent called KORT by any name here, and i even do not attack KORT, i just dont like your behavior. and by your i mean your alone, not whole KORT

[josko.ri]

no, because you can not enforce any rule retroactive.
also, thats just my opinion, it isnt a rule yet, and there is a question will it ever be. if, however, that rule is taken, then you start from having that rule. you can not take actions retroactively.

and im not sure why do you think im tofu ass-licker? i said it publicly, i dont like what they have done, but i do not want to call them cheaters because of it, simply because they havent cheat anyone. you may notice i havent called KORT by any name here, and i even do not attack KORT, i just dont like your behavior. and by your i mean your alone, not whole KORT

In contrary, you passionately expected when KORT will break some rule, and then jumped here asking for our punishment. You probably thought I will escape from responsibility when some issue is about my clan. Well, I am not like that I accept responsibilities and duties that everyone accepted by signing up to some competition. Rules are there, follow them, not special rules by special clans.

[fishydance]

All games have been joined. Now the question remains of what should be done about the late joining. Flaming each other here will not change the fact that games were joined late, nor will it mete out punishment. Only the CDs can decide if there should be punishment, and what that punishment should be. I respectfully ask that both sides focus on the games, and try to have some fun. I believe Razor wisely made a similar comment that bears repeating...

Now lets all play nice....BOTH SIDES..... and enjoy some fun games.

[Nicky15]

Ok the facts.

(all times in UK time zone)

Home games sent to Kort by AKA.

Re: Batch 1 aka Home
Sent: Mon May 27, 2013 9:42 am
From: eddie2
To: fishydance Bruceswar Razorvich

Rules

Once home games are sent, the away clan has 5 full days to fill the games. If your opponent is late on either sending/joining home games or joining games please notify the CD's immediately. There will be some leniency on running late,

6.48 am Bruce speaks to Razor in LC apologizing for the delay.

PM sent complaining of a breach of rules.

breach of rules.
Sent: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:55 am
by eddie2

Not yet in breach, breach comes into effect at 9.42am

10am CD team become aware.
Cd team starts an investigation.
When we look at the games they have all been at least invited if not joined.

Rules again

Rules

Once home games are sent, the away clan has 5 full days to fill the games. If your opponent is late on either sending/joining home games or joining games please notify the CD's immediately. There will be some leniency on running late,

Sat Jun 01, 11.41am Conversation with Bruce. Bruce is asked to make sure all the games are joined asap.

Last game is fully joined by Kort at Sun Jun 02 10.19am.

The rules again.

When games are sent, they must already be created and fully joined by the home team. Once home games are sent, the away clan has 5 full days to fill the games. If your opponent is late on either sending/joining home games or joining games please notify the CD's immediately. There will be some leniency on running late, we will work out a date with the clans involved and set a date that games must be sent/joined by. If a clan is still late in sending/joining home games or joining games they will forfeit 1 game per day late. The opposing team will choose which game they forfeit from the batch of games in question (i.e. if a clan sends their home games 1 day late,

Step one was to contact Kort, which we did, After the conversation, all games were fully joined and underway within 24 hours

If the games were not fully joined within the 24 hours of the CDs contacting KORT then they would now be in breach of the rules. All games were fully joined and underway within 24 hours of contact.

The CDs would in no way be justified in issuing Kort with a one game forfeit here.

We strongly encourage these minor issues to be be resolved in a gentlemanly manner between clans. I am quite sure that most clans will experience similar situations, where a the opposing clans are a little late sending or joining, and in this case we are talking about a day and a half at the very most. I have never before in my experience seen a report made over a few hours. Only many days with no contact.

We have these rules in our set up to make sure the tournament runs to time, and to deter clans from causing significant delays. We would only generally use these rules to bring a clan to task for causing major time delays. In this case we are talking about hours.

[josko.ri]

Great, very reasonable ruling, and more important ruling which follows present rules and common sense.

[eddie2]

Great, very reasonable ruling, and more important ruling which follows present rules and common sense.

Yep very reasonable kort were under warning to sign up to games correctly from wednsday. They then didnt follow that warning and signed up to away games 2 days late.

So in affect the rules were followed home games sent late were warned to follow them 2 days later breack them again. Glad to know the rules do not mean jack again

[josko.ri]

Great, very reasonable ruling, and more important ruling which follows present rules and common sense.

Yep very reasonable kort were under warning to sign up to games correctly from wednsday. They then didnt follow that warning and signed up to away games 2 days late.

So in affect the rules were followed home games sent late were warned to follow them 2 days later breack them again. Glad to know the rules do not mean jack again

eddie, Nicky very well explained it all, can you precise which part of her post is not true. If all is true, then she followed ruling logically, not breaching any rule.

But if it is easier for you to have victim syndrom (as usual when it is about you), maybe your attitude that all world is against you will help you feel good.

[Razorvich]

As a rep of AKA, I was duty bound to screenshot and report the open games as of the turning to day 6.

I respect the rulings of the clan moderators, not saying i agree with it, but respect it..... I'm not too sure some of my fellow clan mates will ....or those from other clans .... but that is not my concern...I respect the decision.

Please let this ruling become a precedent in any future issues of the same, so that we can see site move forward with these lessons learnt and challenges met, it makes us all stronger for the future.

Sorry but i have to say just one last thing that has been bugging me over the last day or so and PLEASE...no offense intended.

shannon, I respect you and Bruce, and admire you both for your input to the site , but you have said on more than one occasion that you saw what was said in live chat between myself and Bruce........

How was that?, considering that it was all said in a private chat room between myself and Bruce? ....I have the screenshots if you would like to see, I don't see your name there.....it implies that bruce was cutting and pasting my chat into a private room with you....now that wouldn't be right would it?...the conspiracy pirates would start to run amok

As before I would like to see an end to all this rubbish, dribble and toadlicking crap....... I am looking to the future, not the past, so please as before LETS PLAY NICE

AKA...drop the issue...it has been resolved
KORT....look forward to seeing you all on the battlefield

peace and love to all

RAZ

[eddie2]

Issue dropped. And lol raz at the part towards shannon.

Maybe i should post the screen shot telling me some kort members are planning the same in round 2. But no i wont do that because i promised not 2

[niMic]

Issue dropped. And lol raz at the part towards shannon.

Maybe i should post the screen shot telling me some kort members are planning the same in round 2. But no i wont do that because i promised not 2

Official eddie translation:

1. Agree to drop issue.
2. Bring up issue.
3. Could post revealing screenshot but won't but totally could but still won't but you never know.

This eddie translation is brought to you by niMic (TM), "because you're worth it".

[eddie2]

sorry i was wrong 36 hours after this pm they are not signing up again to games on time

ok ty nmic for that well lets see what chemefreak told me thursday night...

Re: Joining CCup4 Games

Sent: Thu May 30, 2013 11:03 pm
by chemefreak

You have to let us know they aren't following the rules. You knew when the provided you with the games that they were not yet joined. You could have informed us then. However, you did not. So to me, that is acquiescence. They have now been warned and will be punished if it happens again. That is the best I can do.

this was surrounding the signup rule for games. which like i said 36 hours later you break them again. ow and no punishment again.

[niMic]

Whatever you say, eddie.

[eddie2]

anyway back to war talk

Game 12800218

another aka win i believe.

[Shannon Apple]

I saw a short discussion in open LC. Whether that was during or after your private discussion, I have no idea. I didn't even know that there was a private discussion. Someone else was in there at that point as well. It might have been Jane. I can't remember but stuff was being explained to the other KoRT and I said "what's happening" so it was then explained to me too. Razor was there at that point, so you saw that. There were some thank you's said between you and Bruce and that was that. Seemed like a gentlemanly exchange to me. What was I to know other than what I saw there. It was enough though. Please don't make this any more complicated than it is. LMAO. Wow!

Eddie seriously. I do not tell lies, so laugh all you want. You're the biggest pest on here and you are making me lose more respect for you everyday.

Now that I have defended my character...

Onward.

[eddie2]

I saw a short discussion in open LC. Whether that was during or after your private discussion, I have no idea. I didn't even know that there was a private discussion. Someone else was in there at that point as well. It might have been Jane. I can't remember but stuff was being explained to the other KoRT and I said "what's happening" so it was then explained to me too. Razor was there at that point, so you saw that. There were some thank you's said between you and Bruce and that was that. Seemed like a gentlemanly exchange to me. What was I to know other than what I saw there. It was enough though. Please don't make this any more complicated than it is. LMAO. Wow!

Eddie seriously. I do not tell lies, so laugh all you want. You're the biggest pest on here and you are making me lose more respect for you everyday.

Now that I have defended my character...

Onward.

omg we argred to give it a rest and you carry on nmic carried it on i moved on to look at what was happening in the games started then what do i see..
Game 12800637 poland.

2013-06-01 12:59:07 - Game has been initialized
2013-06-02 12:52:00 - Extreme Ways got bonus of 3 troops added to ?

2013-06-02 12:54:10 - Extreme Ways: Bruce for EW

Game 12816972

2013-06-01 17:31:20 - Extreme Ways: Something went wrong with invites...

Game 12820510 arms race speed game

2013-06-01 18:13:48 - Extreme Ways ended the turn and got spoils

last shot played.

am i correct in saying these were within the time he could of played his own shot??? but instead played a speed game during that time period ????

Guidance
Emergency cover is for when you have not directly been asked to sit by the person when there is less than 2 hours on the clock or when their turn expires at a time when they are usually not online.
For example. You may cover all turns that will expire in the middle of the night their time, until they would usually be online in the morning. Or if they do not take turns during work hours, you may cover all turns that would expire before they got home.
This rule will not cover all circumstances. We will look at every issue with common sense. If you have a legitimate reason for breaking the 2 hour rule and you post to say you have done so, you will not get into any trouble. However if you break the two hour rule, or take a turn at less than two hours you must be certain that the person will miss. The person in question must not have been online recently taking their own turns. If you regularly cover turns in an unnecessary time frame, and the person subsequently comes online in that time frame, you will be guilty of account sharing

please do not tell me you have just broken the sitting rule as well. because that would just be taking the piss would it not ??

from what i remember was the rule was brought into force to stop players from not taking there turns because others would for them later.

[josko.ri]

eddie2 this is abuse if there is pattern in happening of this. I do not remember any case that bruce was emergency sitting for EW so there is not pattern.

Similar case like this I brought during KORT-TOFU war but on that time it was CoF for Pedronicus, 2 of them being already 2 times declared guilty for doing that. So if one isolated case for 2 convinced rule breakers did not bring any extra punishment, then I do not see why an isolated sitting case of bruce for EW would be different.

Obviously EW planned to be back on time but later something unexpectedly happened.

[chemefreak]

Okay.

The Poland game began 6/1/13 @ 7:59.

KoRT announced its intention to wait for AKA to get the snap (given the recent issues, not a bad idea!)

EW played a speeder that he was eliminated 6/1/13 @ 13:16. At this point there is no announcement that AKA has gotten a snap and it is still within the 12 Hr. period.

Back to Poland. Still no announcement of snap taken by AKA. 6/2/13 @ 7:54 (5 minutes left) Bruce takes EW's turn and announces.

This is clearly within the emergency cover rules.

I'm going to lock this for a second so everyone can digest.

[chemefreak]

please do not tell me you have just broken the sitting rule as well. because that would just be taking the piss would it not ??

eddie2:

Your conduct in this war thus far has been unacceptable. We take account sitting abuse seriously and spurious reports will not be tolerated, especially ones that are made in public in an attempt to embarrass another player or clan.

Accordingly, pursuant to:

"War Thread Behaviour

In order to curb some poor behaviour in the war threads, players will be denied medals if their behaviour is deemed to be disruptive or inappropriate, even if it does not meet the site wide policy for a forum infraction. In the past, we’ve locked war threads due to the behaviour of a single individual, thus inherently punishing both clans. In order to be consistent, this will only be applied by the Clan Dept Head (most often these issues are raised by the CD team)."

Consider this your official warning that should you continue to disrupt this thread you will not receive a medal should AKA prevail in this war.

I am now going to unlock this. Everyone move on and let's try to have fun.

Thanks.

[eddie2]

wow a warning for highlighting breaks in rules i did not report the sitting i asked a question...

this war does not have the 12 hour fog rule. you used the excuse earlier that the games in question on monday were sunny or conquest maps so no screen shot was needed. but now when someone takes someone elses turn because they wanted us to have a screen shot in a game that no screen shot was needed i am being pulled for bad conduct... this war is within the first week kort have not followed 3 rules and i get warned....

ok i will shut up but you know as well as i do that if aka win it will be against kort plus the cd's not kort the clan .

[Shannon Apple]

SHUT UP EDDIE!


Stop looking for more and more excuses to get a 1 up. I wish you the best of luck, but beat us the normal way. Not through trying to accuse us of breaking rules. 12 hour rule is a courtesy thing. Some of your people keep it and so do we because it's the nice thing to do. Some of your people are decent types.

All you are doing is ruining the fun for everyone ON BOTH SIDES.

1. You are turning your own clan against KoRT.
2. You are making KoRT never wanna play vs you people again.


Good day!

[jackal31]

wow....this read reminds me of the BPB vs THOTA thread from a couple years ago.

BPB did its best to get under THOTA's skin, which many found as a tactic to win the war. Here however, I am seeing two things;

1.) Eddie is trying, and succeeding, to distract many players from KORT.
2.) KORT may be using the rules tactic and reverse logic to manipulate eddie off his game

Remember however, there were many warnings and bans as a result of that war. No bans were administered to THOTA members. As long as it's within the rules, I dont see the problem other than multiple insults and poo throwing.

Good luck to both clans. Let's see who comes out in the end!

[eddie2]

wow....this read reminds me of the BPB vs THOTA thread from a couple years ago.

BPB did its best to get under THOTA's skin, which many found as a tactic to win the war. Here however, I am seeing two things;

1.) Eddie is trying, and succeeding, to distract many players from KORT.
2.) KORT may be using the rules tactic and reverse logic to manipulate eddie off his game

Remember however, there were many warnings and bans as a result of that war. No bans were administered to THOTA members. As long as it's within the rules, I dont see the problem other than multiple insults and poo throwing.

Good luck to both clans. Let's see who comes out in the end!

lol you found me out i have won 2 of my 2 games that started on monday tuesday.

[eddie2]

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=12800618

kort have been contacted masli not played on site for last 24 hours. and time running out.

[silversun6]

[fishydance]

+1