freakns wrote:but since Josko likes to proclaim himself as unbiased seeker of the truth, i truly expect him to show up and publicly
freakns, no matter how you try to present myself, I do not change my behavior when issue is about my clan. Not like many others who obviously waited for a single problem from KORT to come and then overload thread because of this, while they are keeping silent when much bigger issues happens elsewhere (compare 1 day late joining with dropping out of tournament and screwing the whole compatitions, which is biggher issue to clan world?)
So, my opinion about this issue: eddie2 raised 2 issues which he thinks is rule breaking, one is later joining home set, and second one is later joining away set by KORT players.
1. About later joining home set:
On the time when games were exchanged, all KORT home invites (as well as AKA home invites) have been sent. All KORT invites were accepted in next 16.30 hours. There were some AKA away games that were rushed to be accepted before the time of 16.30 hours (although they had 5 days deadline for it) with obvious intention that they accuse us how we want to see the map first. Also, something about rule of joining game:
eddie2 wrote:josko.ri wrote:I interpret this rule on the way that invites need to be sent before away clan receives games, so away clan can have information about maps/settings and players who are playing in those games.
i one hundred percent agree with this and is how i read it and the reason i sent bruce aka games without players being signed up.
So, if BOTH clans interpret rule of joining home games on the way that invites to games need to be sent when games were exchanged (which means they will be joined in next 24 hours) then I do not see where is problem. CCup is always competition where if both clans agree to any rule, then that rule is going over predefined rules. For example, if both clans agree that deadline is extended from 5 to 7 days, then it was always allowed. The same with this rule, if BOTH clans think that only invites need to be sent on the time of game exchanging, then this is more powerful than how rules are written. And KORT did that, on the time when games were exchanged all invites were sent, and all games were joined in next 16.30 hours, so I do not see any rule breaking here. I only see AKA rushing to join games in order to accuse us how we intentionally join our home games second.
2. About later joining away set:
Games were exchanged (based on when Bruce posted it in our forum:
by Bruceswar on Mon May 27, 2013 6:42 pm
Last game started on Sunday 6.16 pm
Game 12800642 2013-06-02 18:16:54 - Game has been initialized
So, there is less than 6 days, less than 1 day after the deadline.
Our mistake is joining 1 day after the deadline. However, there are 2 objective reasons which happens now which can cause delay, but are not happening in normal circumstances:
a) Not all scripts working well due to API maintenance. Bruce could not use map rank, so managing of which players are good for which map make him harder job to do. For example, check
merch313's score on Peloponesian war map, and check scores of players who are in that game. Obviously, he was handicapped because not all scripts are working so he needed more time than usual to manage teams.
b) Razorvich, who is not random player from AKA, but is secondary contact, so official person to speak with if there are some issues, said he is ok with late joining after Bruce spoke with him. I did not see content of this conversation, but since it was mentioned here in thread I wanted to put it as a second point which made our late joining understandable.
Also, IF we ignore both of those points a), b) and say there have been all normal circumstances, then rule says this:
"If your opponent is late on either sending/joining home games or joining games please notify the CD's immediately. There will be some leniency on running late, we will work out a date with the clans involved and set a date that games must be sent/joined by. If a clan is still late in sending/joining home games or joining games they will forfeit 1 game per day late."
So, RULES (not me, not bruce) say that there will be some leniency in running late, so if running late happens THEN CD's will set a date that games must be sent/joined by. And second step is forfeiting (rules says if clan is STILL late in sending/joining games, which means after their first infraction). You however ask for jump over first step and come directly to second step, which is not your right regarding rules. We did one infraction, and late was less than 1 day (total time between exchange games and starting last game was less than 192 hours, so less than 6 days) so infraction from KORT side is minimal and I do not have anything against following rules, which means notify CDs about the infraction, who will then set a date that games need to be sent and joined by, and if being late on deadline happens again then there goes forfeit, 1 game per 1 day late.
