FREESTYLE QUESTION

Guuner · Post by **Guuner** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:44 pm

So I was playing a Freestyle game with my friend, and I ended a round. So I know I can't start the next round.

Apparently he was watching me play, and then as soon as I was done he started his turn. So he started his turn, and a few minutes later when I was checking my other games I notice that he had started the new round.

I know that the round has commenced and so any player that has not yet gone that round may make his/her play. So I make my plays, and ended up defeating a strategic point in his defence, before he was barely done deciding where he wanted to deploy his armies.

Now he is angry stating I had a double turn, and this is a game breaking exploit. I assume he thinks a person should finish their turn ? before I can go ? Anwyay,

Can I get some opinions or feedback, or something that I can reference to him to get him out of that notion ? I told him it was a game mechanic basically.

Thanks

hasaki · Post by **hasaki** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:53 pm

Its freestyle so you can play any time you like. that is one of the reasons people dont play it.

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:54 pm

Guuner wrote:So I was playing a Freestyle game with my friend, and I ended a round. So I know I can't start the next round.

Apparently he was watching me play, and then as soon as I was done he started his turn. So he started his turn, and a few minutes later when I was checking my other games I notice that he had started the new round.

I know that the round has commenced and so any player that has not yet gone that round may make his/her play. So I make my plays, and ended up defeating a strategic point in his defence, before he was barely done deciding where he wanted to deploy his armies.

Now he is angry stating I had a double turn, and this is a game breaking exploit. I assume he thinks a person should finish their turn ? before I can go ? Anwyay,

Can I get some opinions or feedback, or something that I can reference to him to get him out of that notion ? I told him it was a game mechanic basically.

Thanks

Under the "FAQ" it clearly says.. and I Quote:

Play Order

In a freestyle game it doesn't matter in which order players take their turns. After the last player takes his turn, a new round begins immediately. The player who triggers a new round is not allowed to take a second back-to-back turn and must wait for someone else to play.

This is not a "game breaking exploit" its a fair tactic in any freestyle
game.
I would tell your friend to deploy quicker, and maybe wait a second before he takes his turn to see where you, or someone else goes, or, play Sequential which is:

In a sequential game player 1 is first, then player 2, then player 3, etc. Sequential games are slower but they mimic the sitting-around-a-table boardgame experience. When playing a sequential game with teams the order is staggered, alternating between teams.

Hope this helps, and by the way, you did nothing wrong

Happy gaming, and good luck!
John

Guuner · Post by **Guuner** » Thu May 10, 2007 10:56 pm

thanks, I was just hoping to get a rationalization for him from someone other than the guy who "screwed him over".

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:01 pm

by the way, whats the game number?

Guuner · Post by **Guuner** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:13 pm

416324

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:25 pm

Tell him to play sequencial if it bugs him... or deploy his troops quicker.

Freestyle gives the disadvantaged and the opportunistic a chance to catch up or get ahead if they time it right, because it is possible for any player to slip in two turns before an opponent goes. That game can also drive you bonkers always checking to see when that last person has finally taken their turn.

Guuner · Post by **Guuner** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:10 am

Well it gets worse, because it ended up happening to my other friend in the same game and now hes calling me a dirty bugger as well.

Am I not just taking advantage of game mechanics after all ?

chewyman · Post by **chewyman** » Fri May 11, 2007 2:33 am

I used to just play freestyle since the games usually go a lot faster. Your quickly learning, just as I did, that sequential really is the best way to go regardless of speed.

Iliad · Post by **Iliad** » Fri May 11, 2007 2:38 am

This is why I don't play freestyle, first of all different people have different views of what is permitted to do in freestyle. I just stick to sequential.

RobinJ · Post by **RobinJ** » Fri May 11, 2007 2:48 am

chewyman wrote:I used to just play freestyle since the games usually go a lot faster. Your quickly learning, just as I did, that sequential really is the best way to go regardless of speed.

Same here. In your case though, the other guys are obviously just sore losers and are probably more ragin with themselves than you.

Koesen · Post by **Koesen** » Fri May 11, 2007 9:48 am

What you did, Guuner, is totally and completely acceptable and anybody who claims differently is a whiner. You can like it or hate it, but this is what freestyle is all about.

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:58 am

yeah its a valid freestyle tactic, ive only played one freestyle in the last ummm 200 games? and i won it

it was mainly because i had alot of free time on my hands and wasnt intending on sleeping much so i was basically able to completely exploit the system. its a poor victory since i won due to the amount of times i checked the game status, so if i dont have that kind of free time i stick to sequential. its far better in many ways.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:59 am

hasaki wrote:Its freestyle so you can play any time you like. that is one of the reasons people dont play it.

or one of the reasons some do

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Fri May 11, 2007 12:08 pm

alex is dead on, freestyle is a wide open crapshoot with tactical adventures the other game options don't have and if you can't take advantage of them you tend to get mugged. My most recent game came down to who took their turn first, it was round 18 and we both had an 18 bonus, plus territories. If it had been a sequential game neither of us would have had a chance because others had the best positions when the game began and would have easily stomped us.

meatsim · Post by **meatsim** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:50 pm

Play Order

In a freestyle game it doesn't matter in which order players take their turns. After the last player takes his turn, a new round begins immediately. The player who triggers a new round is not allowed to take a second back-to-back turn and must wait for someone else to play.

see that?
just cause the game allows you to do it dosn't make it right with the rules. that and he's a little one sided on his origional post to make it seem innocent. he deployed, attacked and had his card in under 3 mins from my deployment. i didn't know he was still lurking and waiting to play again. he had made his deployments/killed/got his card in under 3 mins all before my deploys/kills/card

that to me means he played the last turn and the first all i did was hit start turn, i didn't take it as fast.

so the moral of the story is its obviously against the rules as its clearly stated not allowed, its not written not able. its a possibility within the game mechanices but its not right, that makes it an exploit.

alex_white101 · Post by **alex_white101** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:56 pm

it is an exploit, but its NOT against the rules im afraid, as you had hit begin turn you started the next round so he did not theoretically get a double turn. im afraid you have to expect this whenever you play freestyle. it is a valid tactic and one which is frequently used.

if you dont like it come play some sequential games with me

i avoid freestyle coz of the exploits.

by the way was your name inspired from perfect dark?

Captain Crash · Post by **Captain Crash** » Fri May 11, 2007 11:31 pm

Freestyle is just that FREE.

You can take your turn in any sequence you like and all players can be taking their turn at the same time if that is their choice. Like it or lump it that is the way of freestyle, it is not exploiting the system any more than getting a mixed set with only 3 cards is, cashing them and then killing the person with 5 cards.

It's what makes freestyle different to sequential.

OP's friends need to stop their whining; they were out smarted in the game they were playing!

Especially the 2nd friend who had seen it happen!! (I'd call that guy a slow learner!)

meatsim · Post by **meatsim** » Sat May 12, 2007 12:04 am

you obviously like typing more than reading but i'll try again

In a freestyle game it doesn't matter in which order players take their turns. After the last player takes his turn, a new round begins immediately. The player who triggers a new round is not allowed to take a second back-to-back turn and must wait for someone else to play.

you are entitled to an opinion but rules are rules

john1099 · Post by **john1099** » Sat May 12, 2007 12:08 am

meatsim wrote:you obviously like typing more than reading but i'll try again

In a freestyle game it doesn't matter in which order players take their turns. After the last player takes his turn, a new round begins immediately. The player who triggers a new round is not allowed to take a second back-to-back turn and must wait for someone else to play.

you are entitled to an opinion but rules are rules

And you got this from where?
Read my post earlier in the thread, this question has already been answered, I say LOCK THE TOPIC !

meatsim · Post by **meatsim** » Sat May 12, 2007 12:12 am

its from the faq, and the issue is playing last and first in 2 rounds since you don't like reading either

thanks for jumping in uninformed tho ok thankz bye

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Sat May 12, 2007 12:20 am

. . . and you are entitled to your ignorance of the situation, which are history now and not subject to change. When you look at the Game Log it will remind you of the facts of the game which are; a new round was initiated, meatsim went first and Guuner followed. It's not rocket science and it's not a double move.

. . . and you can employ the same tactic any time, as it's part of the game.

meatsim · Post by **meatsim** » Sat May 12, 2007 12:34 am

and you apparently are entitled to shoot off and your own interpretation
of the situation and the rules.

if i see someone deploying i can deploy faster, if i have the game camped and planned. i can deploy and end my turn in seconds. the fact remained i took the last turn and the first turn which is a rule violation because in no way does beginning to deploy constitute playing its a mere fraction.

your arguement that someone pressing the begin turn button constitutes playing a turn from the rules is as idiotic as you my friend clearly are and if you are the kind of player that can justify this type of behavior and participate yourself then you are a sad little man.

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:24 am

The simple solution is don't play freestyle if you can't comprehend or appreciate it's quirks.

You begin your turn and have one hour to make your moves, just like everyone else, regardless of whether you deploy, attack, fortify or not. Same rules apply to all
and none were broken in your game.

TipTop · Post by **TipTop** » Sat May 12, 2007 2:49 am

Meatism we understand your point of view. It is a cheap tactic which puts most players off playing Freestyle games, but thats the way it is played. If it is not a tactic you can live with then you have only 2 choices.

A) Stop playing Freestyle
B) Try to convince the other 17,000+ players on this site to stop doing it

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