Re: 1v1: Promontory Summit [10.3.14] BETA

[Oneyed]

did you read carefully? I asked how works autodeploy, becasue it is not clear to me.

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

did you read carefully? I asked how works autodeploy, becasue it is not clear to me.

Oneyed

Oh i read carefully.

autodeploy
+2 Sacramento - Reno means that these two autodeploy +2 or all stations between them autodeploy +2?

Yes this is a question in the form of a statement

also if Sacramento gives +2 autodeploy and Omaha just +1 the player who starts from Sacramento has advantage.
Oneyed

This is statement but no question.

Therefore i know you understood your own question very well since your interpretation is correct about Sacremento - Reno.
and you also stated about the disadvantage...so if you preceive a disadvantage...then i am saying to you what is your other solution.
You understood very well and it is very clear to you what the situation is as it is written.

[Oneyed]

autodeploy
+2 Sacramento - Reno means that these two autodeploy +2 or all stations between them autodeploy +2?

Yes this is a question in the form of a statement

this is just question.

also if Sacramento gives +2 autodeploy and Omaha just +1 the player who starts from Sacramento has advantage.
Oneyed

This is statement but no question.

I used "if", because I am not certain.

Therefore i know you understood your own question very well since your interpretation is correct about Sacremento - Reno.
and you also stated about the disadvantage...so if you preceive a disadvantage...then i am saying to you what is your other solution.
You understood very well and it is very clear to you what the situation is as it is written.

no, I am still not certain. and the disadvantage is valid in both versions (autodepoly ONLY Sacramento and Reno or Sacramento, Reno AND all station between them), because Sacramento has allways +2 auto.

I asked about autodeploys two times, and to be honest I am still not certain if +2 autodeploy valid for ONLY Sacramento and Reno or for Sacramento, Reno AND all stations between them...
maybe becasue my bad english, maybe becasue you did not give me clear answer.

Oneyed
PS: merry christmas

[cairnswk]

...
I asked about autodeploys two times, and to be honest I am still not certain if +2 autodeploy valid for ONLY Sacramento and Reno or for Sacramento, Reno AND all stations between them...
maybe becasue my bad english, maybe becasue you did not give me clear answer.

Oneyed
PS: merry christmas

And a Merry Xmas to you also Oneyed.
I will post a new version that hopefully will help explain better....

[cairnswk]

Version 6.

1. expanded to 630x600 max small size.
2. stations in between explanantion
3. saboteurs etc. changed
4. basic jupiter train silhouette added

[Oneyed]

its 100% pure now. thanks cairns

will start Sacramento and Omaha with the same number of units? if yes then player in Sacramento has advantage.
not only in the start, but also during game - he will has more units for bombarding opponent.

I understand you can not have east and west identical, but here must be any balance. what about starting points +2 auto and then anyway sort the rest stations?

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

its 100% pure now. thanks cairns

will start Sacramento and Omaha with the same number of units? if yes then player in Sacramento has advantage.
not only in the start, but also during game - he will has more units for bombarding opponent.

well, we can fix that by giving him the same number of starting autodeploy.

I understand you can not have east and west identical, but here must be any balance. what about starting points +2 auto and then anyway sort the rest stations?
Oneyed

not sure i understand the last part.

[cairnswk]

here is something i just posted in xml modifications....
but i think it night help this gameplay aloong some.
it could be implemented with conditional borders now, but the maintenance level would not be possible. i.e. the neutral decay would kick in straight away....don't know if i want that.


Suggestion Idea: Happiness Builders

Description: "Main" territory called Cheyenne has one or two other happiness territories attached to it called Social Club and Saloon.
These resource territories will decay to neutral unless they are maintained at a certain level, let's say 3.
1. if you keep them at 3 or above, they will autodeploy.
2. you can add to them with deployment to keep them from falling below 3 as long as you hold them (conditional border which we know have)
3. you can fort off them if you hold Cheyenne, but only as much as it will allow you to continue receiving autodeploys from them.

Why It Should Be Considered: this is almost now possible in normal gameplay, but having the maintanence facility would add another dimension to gameplay.

[Oneyed]

well, we can fix that by giving him the same number of starting autodeploy.

so +2 autodeploy for both starting points?

not sure i understand the last part.

I meant, +2 for autodeploy for both starting points, the other stations could has different bonuses in east/west but at the least the number of bonuses could be the same.

Oneyed

PS: will look at your "Happines builder" later, now I am drunk

[Oneyed]

cairn, I am afraid that your Happiness Builders is not possible in current xml.

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

cairn, I am afraid that your Happiness Builders is not possible in current xml.
Oneyed

Yes, i know, that's why i put it into the xml suggestions.
But that doesn't mean we can't use something similar for this map, which will make the gameplay a little more interesting.
I am working on new version now...with some of those possibilities of "happiness/resource" builders.

[Jippd]

My thought regarding the happiness builder is that with all these special rules for territories you need to take into consideration the space required for text on the map to explain these rules.

[Jippd]

Under 15 tunnels description I think you could omit the word snow as it is redundant.

Not a big deal I know but just trying to help make it perfect

[cairnswk]

Under 15 tunnels description I think you could omit the word snow as it is redundant.

Not a big deal I know but just trying to help make it perfect

Yes. second word snow eliminated...thanks Jippd.

[cairnswk]

My thought regarding the happiness builder is that with all these special rules for territories you need to take into consideration the space required for text on the map to explain these rules.

Sure do. But cannot put those conditions for min hold on terrs in place in xml...so am going with something similar....shortly to post.

[cairnswk]

Version 7.

Additions and Changes.
1. Autodeploy for each station has changed - +2 at start and then +1 along the way....this makes is even throughout.
2. Addition made of 4 "happiness" resources -

* only needs to be conquered
* cannot be conquered by opponent
* will provide addtional +2 autodeploy once conquered
* provided though at different stages throughout the map for each line
* based on historical facts

This idea for happiness resources arose from watching movie The Cheyenne Social Club (James Stewart and Henry Fonda) yesterday afternoon.

[Seamus76]

Looking good.

I think you should put the Saboteurs & Poor Conditions text in a yellow box, as you did with the box for the Happiness Resources, which matches the map. I also don't think you need to say "Once conquered", shouldn't that be pretty standard auto-deploy gameplay. Maybe just "Happiness Resources: Provide +2 auto-depoly", or something like that should be fine I would think.

[cairnswk]

Looking good.

I think you should put the Saboteurs & Poor Conditions text in a yellow box, as you did with the box for the Happiness Resources, which matches the map. I also don't think you need to say "Once conquered", shouldn't that be pretty standard auto-deploy gameplay. Maybe just "Happiness Resources: Provide +2 auto-depoly", or something like that should be fine I would think.

Done!

[Jippd]

I agree with seamus's thoughts...the text appears a bit blurry to me on this map. Anyone else? Or am I getting old

[Oneyed]

the Happiness in this version have a less importance. what about to do them more important? I can see any (not complex) possibilities:
1, could they be "added" to Saboteurs only (as have Nexcastle or Freemont) - their importance will be that they give +2 auto, so player can easier secure (or reconquer) Saboteurs after bombarding. maybe in this version Saboteurs would not give +1 autodeploy, so player will realy need happiness?
2, make them a "must", so player could continue only if he holds station and its happiness.
3, or combination - some could be added to Saboteurs and some to "normal" stations, but here they will be a "must".
maybe a "must" would be only before any easier part of railroad (several n2 in row as you have already in)...

the font is blurry for me too.
and the railroad is hard visible or it a little blend between frames of western and eastern part.

Oneyed

[cairnswk]

OK guys, i'm presently redoing this in PS5. so i will attend to those issues as soon as i have the same version reposted tomorrow.

[cairnswk]

I agree with seamus's thoughts...the text appears a bit blurry to me on this map. Anyone else? Or am I getting old

Jippd, are you talking about all text, or specific ones...if so please specify where you're having trouble
Or again, like me, you're simply getting old or NY Eve celebrations have clouded your vision

[cairnswk]

the Happiness in this version have a less importance. what about to do them more important? I can see any (not complex) possibilities:
1, could they be "added" to Saboteurs only (as have Nexcastle or Freemont) - their importance will be that they give +2 auto, so player can easier secure (or reconquer) Saboteurs after bombarding. maybe in this version Saboteurs would not give +1 autodeploy, so player will realy need happiness?

if we have this, i'd like to have 2 attached to the bombardment, and 2 attached to non-bombardment towns.

2, make them a "must", so player could continue only if he holds station and its happiness.

OK, i could go with that for the attached to bombardment towns.

3, or combination - some could be added to Saboteurs and some to "normal" stations, but here they will be a "must".
maybe a "must" would be only before any easier part of railroad (several n2 in row as you have already in)...

half and half is good, but these have to fit in with scenes that i can find historically and therefore i don't know about your must.

the font is blurry for me too.

please specify where

and the railroad is hard visible or it a little blend between frames of western and eastern part.

yeh, graphics issue...let's do gameplay for now eh?

[cairnswk]

Version 8....now entirely in PS5

[isaiah40]

Happiness not Happines