JK9++ ENDGAME Mafia Wins

[DoomYoshi]

Yes, both requests coming up

[DoomYoshi]

Vote count

Betiko (4) - lord volemort, pcm, samgrossy, campin L-3
Campin (3) - betiko, thechuck, vio
redhedge (1) Trinicardinal
iron Butterfly (1) - redhedge
thechuck (1) - samgrossy
jonty (2) - IB, vodean
pancakemix (1) - count
no lynch (1) - jonty


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch (or 5 to lynch if deadline is reached).
Deadline is August 18th.

[redhedge47]

so why are we lynching betiko at this point is thier a good reaason or a we random lynchin

[VioIet]

I understand both sides of the fence here.

It's true that claiming does help generate more discussion and can get the ball rolling. However, it's true that claiming actually does help mafia more than town in the beginning of the game. In the middle, and especially late in the game, claiming helps town more.

Let me give an example. Let's say Mary Sue claims VT. Town believes her and doesn't lynch her. Game goes to night- and the mafia kill Mary Sue. She was a prime choice, as she already claimed. Now for Day 2- town has absolutely no new information to go on regarding the kill. Investigations are an exception, of course.

Lovo, I think you need to have more patience. Some people here are new to Mafia. As a mafia veteran, you should be more than willing to help explain all the rules and nuances to those with less experience. That's how we keep the mafia community growing and thriving.

I have my vote on Campin, and play to keep it there. By the way- just doing some meta- today is Campin's birthday, so don't be surprised if he doesn't post until tomorrow. If Campin truly is L-2, then he does need to claim- but I can't tell with the current edited vote count.

[VioIet]

Edit- Sorry, I didn't see the current vote count until after my post. Didn't realize there was an additional page. That voids some of my comments.

[lord voldemort]

so why are we lynching betiko at this point is thier a good reaason or a we random lynchin

Have you read the whole thread...if not you should really go back.,..Its really a pre requisite for playing...


And yes Vio I understand patience is a key.

chuck its honestly just a coincidence about the apparent defending (or better yet deflecting) of campin. Though I do think pressuring for skimming the rules is kinda bs.
And me being on betiko for pushing claims day 1....kinda obvious isnt it....It would of been the same no matter who he pushed

[samgrossy]

Vote count

Betiko (4) - lord volemort, pcm, samgrossy, campin L-3
Campin (3) - betiko, thechuck, vio
redhedge (1) Trinicardinal
iron Butterfly (1) - redhedge
thechuck (1) - samgrossy
jonty (2) - IB, vodean
pancakemix (1) - count
no lynch (1) - jonty


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch (or 5 to lynch if deadline is reached).
Deadline is August 18th.

My most recent vote is on chuck, not betiko, so Betiko is at l-4, tied with campin.

[jonty125]

so why are we lynching betiko at this point is thier a good reaason or a we random lynchin

unvote, vote redhedge I don't see why we shouldn't lynch you, you quite clearly aren't reading the thread.

[betiko]

I understand both sides of the fence here.

It's true that claiming does help generate more discussion and can get the ball rolling. However, it's true that claiming actually does help mafia more than town in the beginning of the game. In the middle, and especially late in the game, claiming helps town more.

Let me give an example. Let's say Mary Sue claims VT. Town believes her and doesn't lynch her. Game goes to night- and the mafia kill Mary Sue. She was a prime choice, as she already claimed. Now for Day 2- town has absolutely no new information to go on regarding the kill. Investigations are an exception, of course.

Lovo, I think you need to have more patience. Some people here are new to Mafia. As a mafia veteran, you should be more than willing to help explain all the rules and nuances to those with less experience. That's how we keep the mafia community growing and thriving.

I have my vote on Campin, and play to keep it there. By the way- just doing some meta- today is Campin's birthday, so don't be surprised if he doesn't post until tomorrow. If Campin truly is L-2, then he does need to claim- but I can't tell with the current edited vote count.

I really disagree with this argument. If I'm mafia, I'd never go for a VT NK on night1, it would be a real bad play for mafia.

regarding the vote count, there is a problem as you have 14 votes there doom. and I don t see where is the double vote, I guess you called someone with 2 different names..

[lord voldemort]

Well if you are scum looks like town have an easy win

[trinicardinal]

@ betiko - DoomYoshi forgot to remove samgrossy's vote from you so his votes is currently being counted twice

Vote count

Betiko (4) - lord volemort, pcm, samgrossy, campin L-3
Campin (3) - betiko, thechuck, vio
redhedge (1) Trinicardinal
iron Butterfly (1) - redhedge
thechuck (1) - samgrossy
jonty (2) - IB, vodean
pancakemix (1) - count
no lynch (1) - jonty


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch (or 5 to lynch if deadline is reached).
Deadline is August 18th.

Is it just me or is jonty just jumping all over the place with his votes.... what's the deal there? FOS on jonty for the vote jumping.... hmm I need to take a look at those votes of his... I'll try to analyse tomorrow when I have some more time.

[betiko]

@ betiko - DoomYoshi forgot to remove samgrossy's vote from you so his votes is currently being counted twice

Vote count

Betiko (4) - lord volemort, pcm, samgrossy, campin L-3
Campin (3) - betiko, thechuck, vio
redhedge (1) Trinicardinal
iron Butterfly (1) - redhedge
thechuck (1) - samgrossy
jonty (2) - IB, vodean
pancakemix (1) - count
no lynch (1) - jonty


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch (or 5 to lynch if deadline is reached).
Deadline is August 18th.

Is it just me or is jonty just jumping all over the place with his votes.... what's the deal there? FOS on jonty for the vote jumping.... hmm I need to take a look at those votes of his... I'll try to analyse tomorrow when I have some more time.

that's just the way jonty plays.

Anyway guys, we only have 5 days left and with this stupid discusion about making someone claim or not we won't be able to take any decision in time.
the problem with this voting system is that we all have our vote somewhere, and not necesairly for a good reason.

we have no case here, as in all day 1s. I would still want to hear from campin an answer to my question: would it be a problem for the town if you get to claim?

[Iron Butterfly]

I understand both sides of the fence here.

It's true that claiming does help generate more discussion and can get the ball rolling. However, it's true that claiming actually does help mafia more than town in the beginning of the game. In the middle, and especially late in the game, claiming helps town more.

Let me give an example. Let's say Mary Sue claims VT. Town believes her and doesn't lynch her. Game goes to night- and the mafia kill Mary Sue. She was a prime choice, as she already claimed. Now for Day 2- town has absolutely no new information to go on regarding the kill. Investigations are an exception, of course.

Lovo, I think you need to have more patience. Some people here are new to Mafia. As a mafia veteran, you should be more than willing to help explain all the rules and nuances to those with less experience. That's how we keep the mafia community growing and thriving.

I have my vote on Campin, and play to keep it there. By the way- just doing some meta- today is Campin's birthday, so don't be surprised if he doesn't post until tomorrow. If Campin truly is L-2, then he does need to claim- but I can't tell with the current edited vote count.

LOL very bad example. First Town does not lie. Mafia will know the person who claimed is Town. Now they know their role. They will not target a VT as the probability they kill a PR has improved.

From my experience by day two someone will know something through blocking, bus driving, tracking, watching ect. and be able to observe what others say or do, which gives more information to be used. The game really is like a snowball rolling down hill. Some just move slower then others

[jonty125]

Is it just me or is jonty just jumping all over the place with his votes

Erm, lets look at my votes.

vote Violet To mark her return to mafia

This is a joke vote

unvote, vote redhege For putting trini @ L-3. Ergo, bandwaggoning.

Also JFOS, for chuck, after trying to vote the same person twice.

Semi-serious vote,

Jonty seems to be anxious to build a case against someone,

The games is going slowly, and I've seen games like this where no one says anything and the clock runs down until its too late to do anything meaningful

who do you think is scummy and why?

Samgrossy, seems to be posting little and of little value.
Redhedge, a bit of bandwaggoning in the jokevote stage.

But these are pretty weak. unvote, vote no lynch until something tempts my vote to move along.

I have to my vote somewhere, so I'd rather have it on nobody

so why are we lynching betiko at this point is thier a good reaason or a we random lynchin

unvote, vote redhedge I don't see why we shouldn't lynch you, you quite clearly aren't reading the thread.

And this one.

[betiko]

ok guys, what is your plan?
whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched, even if we didn t reach the majority. the scum are playing with the clock. we need to start digging randomly on someone; or place a majority of votes on no lynch.

[jonty125]

ok guys, what is your plan?
whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched, even if we didn t reach the majority.

Well the rules state

At the end of the day if a majority has not been reached, the player with the most votes will be lynched as one as they have 1/4 of the votes (a proportion greater than or equal to .25).

Now, 13*0.25=4. So I have no idea why we need 5 as said in the vote count. But as things stands, we're at no lynch.

[thechuck51]

Now, 13*0.25=4. So I have no idea why we need 5 as said in the vote count. But as things stands, we're at no lynch.

13*.25=4.25 and since you can't have a 1/4 vote it rounds up to 5 votes

[jonty125]

Now, 13*0.25=4. So I have no idea why we need 5 as said in the vote count. But as things stands, we're at no lynch.

13*.25=4.25 and since you can't have a 1/4 vote it rounds up to 5 votes

No it doesn't, put into Google or a calculator.

[thechuck51]

D'oh! I feel like an ass. In my head I was dividing 13 by 3... this is embarrassing.

[thechuck51]

Which is still wrong... can we pretend these posts never happened?

[pancakemix]

Lol badmath

Right now we need something. Redhedge seems to be kind of out of it, so I'm going to throw my vote there. Unvote vote redhedge

[VioIet]

I really disagree with this argument. If I'm mafia, I'd never go for a VT NK on night1, it would be a real bad play for mafia.

regarding the vote count, there is a problem as you have 14 votes there doom. and I don t see where is the double vote, I guess you called someone with 2 different names..

LOL very bad example. First Town does not lie. Mafia will know the person who claimed is Town. Now they know their role. They will not target a VT as the probability they kill a PR has improved.

From my experience by day two someone will know something through blocking, bus driving, tracking, watching ect. and be able to observe what others say or do, which gives more information to be used. The game really is like a snowball rolling down hill. Some just move slower then others

Yes, its true that it would be in Mafia's best interest to want to kill off a power role first. I was just trying to provide an example on how claiming could be better for the Mafia earlier in the game. In my example "Mary Sue" was a VT, but she could've had a power role. My point was more or less that those who claim are usually picked off first.


Well Campin's birthday is over, so I'm hoping he will chime in his thoughts soon. My vote remains.

[samgrossy]

Now, 13*0.25=4. So I have no idea why we need 5 as said in the vote count. But as things stands, we're at no lynch.

13*.25=4.25 and since you can't have a 1/4 vote it rounds up to 5 votes

No it doesn't, put into Google or a calculator.

Don't worry chuck, I did the same thing.

Not really, but I thought I would make you feel better.

[DoomYoshi]

Somehow I wrote the wrong number. 4 is correct.

[jonty125]

By my count redhedge has 3 votes which is one off a deadline lynch. We also have about 61 hours to deadline. Redhedge, now would be a good time to claim.