Bigoted Organization "Chic-Fil-A" infiltrates facebook

[Woodruff]

So God creates homosexuals, yet God punishes homosexuals simply for being homosexual. That makes sense?

There are indications that some people are more susceptible to substance addictions and similar things due to genetics, yet those people are treated the same way in the Bible. No matter what our natural inclinations are or are not, God still calls us to reject sinful desires and live a holy life. The whole point is that we live in a sinful, fallen world where sin has corrupted the natural order of life that God created. God didn't create sinful beings: the sinful nature of the world has caused us to be imperfect. And God considers all sexual immorality the same, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. The only acceptable sexual relationship to God is between one man and one woman under the covenant of marriage.

This literally CANNOT be a view of a loving God. Never mind the stupidity of the whole "God didn't create sinful beings" when he created both the beings AND the "sinful, fallen world".

[Night Strike]

So God creates homosexuals, yet God punishes homosexuals simply for being homosexual. That makes sense?

There are indications that some people are more susceptible to substance addictions and similar things due to genetics, yet those people are treated the same way in the Bible. No matter what our natural inclinations are or are not, God still calls us to reject sinful desires and live a holy life. The whole point is that we live in a sinful, fallen world where sin has corrupted the natural order of life that God created. God didn't create sinful beings: the sinful nature of the world has caused us to be imperfect. And God considers all sexual immorality the same, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. The only acceptable sexual relationship to God is between one man and one woman under the covenant of marriage.

This literally CANNOT be a view of a loving God. Never mind the stupidity of the whole "God didn't create sinful beings" when he created both the beings AND the "sinful, fallen world".

Why can't it be a view of a loving God? God created us with the free will to choose whether or not we would follow him, which means he lovingly gave us that choice instead of forcing us to choose him. Just because there are consequences to both does not mean that love isn't involved.

[BigBallinStalin]

So God creates homosexuals, yet God punishes homosexuals simply for being homosexual. That makes sense?

There are indications that some people are more susceptible to substance addictions and similar things due to genetics, yet those people are treated the same way in the Bible. No matter what our natural inclinations are or are not, God still calls us to reject sinful desires and live a holy life. The whole point is that we live in a sinful, fallen world where sin has corrupted the natural order of life that God created. God didn't create sinful beings: the sinful nature of the world has caused us to be imperfect. And God considers all sexual immorality the same, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. The only acceptable sexual relationship to God is between one man and one woman under the covenant of marriage.

This literally CANNOT be a view of a loving God. Never mind the stupidity of the whole "God didn't create sinful beings" when he created both the beings AND the "sinful, fallen world".

Why can't it be a view of a loving God? God created us with the free will to choose whether or not we would follow him, which means he lovingly gave us that choice instead of forcing us to choose him. Just because there are consequences to both does not mean that love isn't involved.

Yeah, Woodruff. Some people love being treated like garbage. It's like the battered wife who always comes back for more beatings!

[puppydog85]

I find it somewhat strange that people who believe that this world is just matter in motion will go on and on about how God is not "loving" (aka "the problem of evil). How, may I ask, does what molecules zapped with electricity do to each other qualify as not "loving". I mean who cares if I want to make restrictive laws about sex? It all just neurons in my brain dude!

I also find it funny how they criticize in the poster holding a backward view of progress. I thought the whole idea was to tolerate views that are not culturally accepted?

Third point, the one about catamites is laughable.Try to find any respectable lexicon that gives that definition. The word meant the passive partner in the greek (which does include, but is not limited to catamites). And further in 1 Cor 6:9 he condemns both the active and passive partners (sodomites)

[crispybits]

I find it somewhat strange that people who believe that this world is just matter in motion will go on and on about how God is not "loving" (aka "the problem of evil). How, may I ask, does what molecules zapped with electricity do to each other qualify as not "loving". I mean who cares if I want to make restrictive laws about sex? It all just neurons in my brain dude!

We (and by we I mean secular types with no theist faith) do not go on and on about the problem of evil until a person with theist faith waves their book around and starts proclaiming that "God says you must think this and say this and do this or you will go to Hell". A that point, if we had never heard of theist faith before we might well start asking questions (because it is not in human nature to accept something like that at face value, we want to learn more about it), and as almost every person of theist faith will do when faced with questions from a position of ignorance, we get told all about God and what His message is, and what He tells us about how to live our lives. Then some non-theists notice that on the one hand we are being told that God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent and yet the universe that he made the rules for allow evil, so we ask about that seemingly contradictory state of affairs.

Hundreds or thousands of years later, non-theists have still do not feel they been given an entirely convincing argument to that question, and because we still have people who come to us waving their book and saying "God says you must think this and say this and do this or you will go to Hell", and because we don't need to ask the basic questions because we know the basics of scripture from studying in school or from other life experience, it is convenient for us to skip all the preliminary stuff, and jump straight to the bits that we cannot accept about that world view. If we ever heard a convicing answer to that question, and the other questions that don't make sense to us about religion, then who knows we might accept the Word of God and become theists ourselves. But until those questions are answered convincingly we are unable to commit to the leap of faith necessary to do so.

Maybe that's a problem with us, or maybe it's a problem with the system, but it's definitely a problem, and while it remains unsolved then I'm sorry, but you're going to keep hearing these kinds of questions over and over and over again whenever we are asked to accept a theist world view as in any way binding over us, our thoughts, our actions, or our intentions.

[Woodruff]

So God creates homosexuals, yet God punishes homosexuals simply for being homosexual. That makes sense?

There are indications that some people are more susceptible to substance addictions and similar things due to genetics, yet those people are treated the same way in the Bible. No matter what our natural inclinations are or are not, God still calls us to reject sinful desires and live a holy life. The whole point is that we live in a sinful, fallen world where sin has corrupted the natural order of life that God created. God didn't create sinful beings: the sinful nature of the world has caused us to be imperfect. And God considers all sexual immorality the same, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. The only acceptable sexual relationship to God is between one man and one woman under the covenant of marriage.

This literally CANNOT be a view of a loving God. Never mind the stupidity of the whole "God didn't create sinful beings" when he created both the beings AND the "sinful, fallen world".

Why can't it be a view of a loving God? God created us with the free will to choose whether or not we would follow him, which means he lovingly gave us that choice instead of forcing us to choose him. Just because there are consequences to both does not mean that love isn't involved.

"I made you this way. You can either have happiness in how I have made you, or live in unhappiness because you can't be the way I made you. But if you choose to live in happiness (in the manner that I created you), you will burn in hell forever." That strikes you as the voice of a loving God?

Sure, there is choice involved as far as specific actions taken by a person. But that argument is similar to the battered wife who chooses to stay with her husband.

I want to state for the record that I do not at all believe I am twisting anything here. This seems like a pretty straight-up take on the situation, to me.

[thechuck51]

Looks like chick-fil-a is going all in with the anti-gay agenda...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/chickf ... ich,28888/

[Woodruff]

Looks like chick-fil-a is going all in with the anti-gay agenda...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/chickf ... ich,28888/

Uhhh...dude?

[Night Strike]

So God creates homosexuals, yet God punishes homosexuals simply for being homosexual. That makes sense?

There are indications that some people are more susceptible to substance addictions and similar things due to genetics, yet those people are treated the same way in the Bible. No matter what our natural inclinations are or are not, God still calls us to reject sinful desires and live a holy life. The whole point is that we live in a sinful, fallen world where sin has corrupted the natural order of life that God created. God didn't create sinful beings: the sinful nature of the world has caused us to be imperfect. And God considers all sexual immorality the same, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. The only acceptable sexual relationship to God is between one man and one woman under the covenant of marriage.

This literally CANNOT be a view of a loving God. Never mind the stupidity of the whole "God didn't create sinful beings" when he created both the beings AND the "sinful, fallen world".

Why can't it be a view of a loving God? God created us with the free will to choose whether or not we would follow him, which means he lovingly gave us that choice instead of forcing us to choose him. Just because there are consequences to both does not mean that love isn't involved.

"I made you this way. You can either have happiness in how I have made you, or live in unhappiness because you can't be the way I made you. But if you choose to live in happiness (in the manner that I created you), you will burn in hell forever." That strikes you as the voice of a loving God?

Sure, there is choice involved as far as specific actions taken by a person. But that argument is similar to the battered wife who chooses to stay with her husband.

I want to state for the record that I do not at all believe I am twisting anything here. This seems like a pretty straight-up take on the situation, to me.

Except that people were not originally created with such flawed addictions. When sin entered the world through mankind, it corrupted everything that God had created. Such addictions are a consequence of sin, not of creation.

[thechuck51]

Looks like chick-fil-a is going all in with the anti-gay agenda...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/chickf ... ich,28888/

Uhhh...dude?

Uhhh...it's a joke?

[jonesthecurl]

So God creates homosexuals, yet God punishes homosexuals simply for being homosexual. That makes sense?

There are indications that some people are more susceptible to substance addictions and similar things due to genetics, yet those people are treated the same way in the Bible. No matter what our natural inclinations are or are not, God still calls us to reject sinful desires and live a holy life. The whole point is that we live in a sinful, fallen world where sin has corrupted the natural order of life that God created. God didn't create sinful beings: the sinful nature of the world has caused us to be imperfect. And God considers all sexual immorality the same, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. The only acceptable sexual relationship to God is between one man and one woman under the covenant of marriage.

This literally CANNOT be a view of a loving God. Never mind the stupidity of the whole "God didn't create sinful beings" when he created both the beings AND the "sinful, fallen world".

Why can't it be a view of a loving God? God created us with the free will to choose whether or not we would follow him, which means he lovingly gave us that choice instead of forcing us to choose him. Just because there are consequences to both does not mean that love isn't involved.

"I made you this way. You can either have happiness in how I have made you, or live in unhappiness because you can't be the way I made you. But if you choose to live in happiness (in the manner that I created you), you will burn in hell forever." That strikes you as the voice of a loving God?

Sure, there is choice involved as far as specific actions taken by a person. But that argument is similar to the battered wife who chooses to stay with her husband.

I want to state for the record that I do not at all believe I am twisting anything here. This seems like a pretty straight-up take on the situation, to me.

Except that people were not originally created with such flawed addictions. When sin entered the world through mankind, it corrupted everything that God had created. Such addictions are a consequence of sin, not of creation.

So God didn't create sin? Mankind did? I thought God created everything?

[Night Strike]

So God didn't create sin? Mankind did? I thought God created everything?

Sin is disobeying God. It was created in the sense that we had the choice as to whether or not we would follow him. If sin did not exist, we would not actually have the ability to make such a choice.

[jonesthecurl]

that's a lot clearer, and consistent with your usual line.
I thought you were running off on a new tangent there for a second.
I wanted to see where it went.
Thank you for the clarification.

[Woodruff]

Looks like chick-fil-a is going all in with the anti-gay agenda...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/chickf ... ich,28888/

Uhhh...dude?

Uhhh...it's a joke?

Fair enough...with the way you posted it, it didn't come across to me that way. My bad.

[Woodruff]

So God creates homosexuals, yet God punishes homosexuals simply for being homosexual. That makes sense?

There are indications that some people are more susceptible to substance addictions and similar things due to genetics, yet those people are treated the same way in the Bible. No matter what our natural inclinations are or are not, God still calls us to reject sinful desires and live a holy life. The whole point is that we live in a sinful, fallen world where sin has corrupted the natural order of life that God created. God didn't create sinful beings: the sinful nature of the world has caused us to be imperfect. And God considers all sexual immorality the same, whether it's homosexual or heterosexual. The only acceptable sexual relationship to God is between one man and one woman under the covenant of marriage.

This literally CANNOT be a view of a loving God. Never mind the stupidity of the whole "God didn't create sinful beings" when he created both the beings AND the "sinful, fallen world".

Why can't it be a view of a loving God? God created us with the free will to choose whether or not we would follow him, which means he lovingly gave us that choice instead of forcing us to choose him. Just because there are consequences to both does not mean that love isn't involved.

"I made you this way. You can either have happiness in how I have made you, or live in unhappiness because you can't be the way I made you. But if you choose to live in happiness (in the manner that I created you), you will burn in hell forever." That strikes you as the voice of a loving God?

Sure, there is choice involved as far as specific actions taken by a person. But that argument is similar to the battered wife who chooses to stay with her husband.

I want to state for the record that I do not at all believe I am twisting anything here. This seems like a pretty straight-up take on the situation, to me.

Except that people were not originally created with such flawed addictions. When sin entered the world through mankind, it corrupted everything that God had created. Such addictions are a consequence of sin, not of creation.

Two questions for you:
You're equating homosexuals wanting to follow their body's natural inclination to have sex to an addiction?
Did God create homosexuals with the desire to follow their body's natural instincts or not?

[jonesthecurl]

Also it would be difficult for Afdam to be gay of there weren't any other guys there.

[Symmetry]

Also it would be difficult for Adam to be gay of there weren't any other guys there.

Contrariwise, Adam must not have been created straight. No chicks either.

[jonesthecurl]

Also it would be difficult for Adam to be gay of there weren't any other guys there.

Contrariwise, Adam must not have been created straight. No chicks either.

Good point.
Also, why did Adam and Eve need names? Each was the only person available to talk to.

[Woodruff]

Also it would be difficult for Adam to be gay of there weren't any other guys there.

Contrariwise, Adam must not have been created straight. No chicks either.

But he did manage to give Eve his bone before she was ever around...

[Symmetry]

Also it would be difficult for Adam to be gay of there weren't any other guys there.

Contrariwise, Adam must not have been created straight. No chicks either.

But he did manage to give Eve his bone before she was ever around...

I wouldn't believe everything your hear from these kind of alpha males. He was probably at home sleeping alone that night.

[Night Strike]

Two questions for you:
You're equating homosexuals wanting to follow their body's natural inclination to have sex to an addiction?
Did God create homosexuals with the desire to follow their body's natural instincts or not?

You're assuming those natural instincts are not also sinful. It's natural for any person to desire sex, yet God states that the only holy relationship is that which is between one man and one woman in a marriage covenant.

[Symmetry]

Two questions for you:
You're equating homosexuals wanting to follow their body's natural inclination to have sex to an addiction?
Did God create homosexuals with the desire to follow their body's natural instincts or not?

You're assuming those natural instincts are not also sinful. It's natural for any person to desire sex, yet God states that the only holy relationship is that which is between one man and one woman in a marriage covenant.

Does He? Or did you mean to say that someone who was not God said that God told him that?

Furthermore, was Jesus' relationship with his disciples not holy?

[Night Strike]

Two questions for you:
You're equating homosexuals wanting to follow their body's natural inclination to have sex to an addiction?
Did God create homosexuals with the desire to follow their body's natural instincts or not?

You're assuming those natural instincts are not also sinful. It's natural for any person to desire sex, yet God states that the only holy relationship is that which is between one man and one woman in a marriage covenant.

Does He? Or did you mean to say that someone who was not God said that God told him that?

Furthermore, was Jesus' relationship with his disciples not holy?

Jesus did not have sexual relations with his disciples.

[BigBallinStalin]

Until NS can answer the following (and then deal with the consequent problems), then his argument is not logical.

Or did you mean to say that someone who was not God said that God told him that?

[Symmetry]

Two questions for you:
You're equating homosexuals wanting to follow their body's natural inclination to have sex to an addiction?
Did God create homosexuals with the desire to follow their body's natural instincts or not?

You're assuming those natural instincts are not also sinful. It's natural for any person to desire sex, yet God states that the only holy relationship is that which is between one man and one woman in a marriage covenant.

Does He? Or did you mean to say that someone who was not God said that God told him that?

Furthermore, was Jesus' relationship with his disciples not holy?

Jesus did not have sexual relations with his disciples.

Did he have a holy relationship with his disciples?

God states that the only holy relationship is that which is between one man and one woman in a marriage covenant.

I never brought sex into this. You have a dirty mind.

I'm talking about relationships. Did Jesus have a holy relationship with his disciples?
Did Mary have a holy relationship with Jesus? How about with the Father?