Mini-Mafia 2 [5/9] N3 - going quietly into the dark

[thehippo8]

Fine, Medefe doesn't want to discuss militant. Mind you, no-one else seems up for that discussion or indeed anything much at all. EDIT: Fastposted by DiM who is finally offering up something sensible.

In the meantime, I can claim (which is the customary thing to do at L2 and notwithstanding this is a small game) but I need to know that is what you really want. Because you won't be happy when I do! EDIT: fastposted by DiM.

I can see that there's little point in delaying ... I am the Town Bodyguard. My role has other information but I imagine I'd get mod-killed if I said that (I will check if necessary). Anyway, the old adage of leaping on town on day one is certainly in action here!

So, back to the game ... I agree with DiM ... unvote vote IB

[Iron Butterfly]

Hippo, you make it too easy to be the target. You'd think you'd learn. the thing that jumps out at me, is that you are now using your own "meta" as a crutch to keep doing the same crappy things? It's like you purposely built up this "meta" so that you could be this way all the time, and use this as your defense. It's scummy. Always was. Always will be. Meta or not, it's scummy. However, this is the first time that you've come to your own defense using the meta argument. usually someone else will do that for you. Makes me wonder if you didn't get yourself into a scrap and nobody is bailing you out, so you bailed yourself out?

vote Hippo

Let's see if we catch anything.

I agree 100%

Hippo must be a Gemini. One minute he seems astute and the next moment hes court jester. To rely on ones own Meta seems...scummy. You should know better.

Its like the Guy who killed his parents and then pleaded for mercy from the court because hes an orphan.

Vote Hippo

[MeDeFe]

I think that puts hippo at L-1 so

unvote

Town bodyguard is a solid claim until someone counterclaims.

[thehippo8]

Its like the Guy who killed his parents and then pleaded for mercy from the court because hes an orphan.

That's the best quote I've heard in ages IB. I see that it is the definition of chutzpah!

Anyway, that was incredibly scummy of you IB! Aside from WIFOM, first you scummarine then you vote against a claimed townie. If I wasn't already voting you I'd vote again!

Fastposted by Medefe

[vodean]

Vote Count 1.4
MeDeFe - 1 (mili)
Hippo - 3 (chuck, neb, IB)
IB - 1 (hippo)

Not voting - 4
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is set for Wednesday, 25th of July.

oh, and to those of you who are less active, that is not a valid strategy. please post more often even if your posts become a little weaker.

[lord voldemort]

FOS Ib....doesnt post for days and then puts hippo at L-1 after a claim..scummy behaviour man. Not sure if skimmed or just actual scum

[Iron Butterfly]

we are only at page 8 not page 80.

You want to FoS me...well it wont hurt my feelings so feel free.

I stand by my vote.

[lord voldemort]

Its good to know you stand by putting a claimed town on L-1

vote Iron Butterfly

[DiM]

i agree hippo8 was acting weird with all the vote hopping but he claimed and to put him at L-1 immediately after he claimed seems very scummy especially when that vote comes after 5 days of submarining.
not cool at all. normally after a claim i'd expect people to allow time for a counterclaim (if any), especially when we're talking about a town PR.


that being said my vote goes to IB.

vote IB


@lord voldemort. i don't think your vote will count. rules say it needs to be in colour.

if lovo's vote counts that puts IB at L-2.

[lord voldemort]

vote Iron Butterfly my mistake on the colours

[vodean]

Vote Count 1.4
MeDeFe - 1 (mili)
Hippo - 3 (chuck, neb, IB) L-2
IB - 3 (hippo, lovo, DiM) L-2

Not voting - 2- MeDeFe, CMS
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is set for Wednesday, 25th of July.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Vote Count 1.4
MeDeFe - 1 (mili)
Hippo - 3 (chuck, neb, IB) L-2
IB - 3 (hippo, lovo, DiM) L-2

Not voting - 2- MeDeFe, CMS
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is set for Wednesday, 25th of July.

I'd like to hear Crazy weigh in a bit here. Get his viewpoint...and just get him talking.

[Iron Butterfly]

LOL My bad. It was on honest mistake. If you notice Hippo claimed while I was posting my vote on Hippo. I completely missed it. Then when I posted in response to Lord V it was about 130 am after I got off work. I still had no idea Hippo had claimed.

Yeh it looks scummy but it was an honest mistake.

I would think the people who play with me regulary give me more credit then thinking I would still keep a vote on a Claimed Town.

unvote Hippo

rather sheepishly I might add.

[vodean]

prod to CMS will go out tomorrow.

[crazymilkshake5]

I believe hippos claim, and do see it as scummy that IB put him at L-1.

but the thing with hippos claim is that, its one of those that the town probably wouldnt lynch him because its a good role for town.

IE it could be a good fake claim, but i dont think it is.

[militant]

Whilst I completely agree with you re flip-flopping and quality of posts, I am also concerned that:

• You have to account for joke voting on day one
• My Meta has always been to flop about - particularly on day one - so it would be weird (for me at least) if I didn't do that
• The way people respond when being voted is the best way of getting scum tells - and that helps town!
• Being silent doesn't help anyone
• Being purely defensive is not offering anything useful to the game (otehr than scumtelling) or to town
• Small games like this need to be played - get off the tread-mill!

1. I'm scum because I random voted? 2. My meta is to be quiet, or rather it was when I played on this site a few years ago. 3. I don't disagree there, but you have come across as rather desperate in your attempt to snare everyone into your trap. 4. Silence doesn't, but neither does posting a great deal, and misleading posts at that. 5. I'm not purely defensive. A case in point would be my post that attacked Nebuchadnezer and IB, but you've conveniently ignored it. 6. I take your point.

By the way, I think it is adorable how you think you had a case against me and started calling it an issue.

LOL My bad. It was on honest mistake. If you notice Hippo claimed while I was posting my vote on Hippo. I completely missed it. Then when I posted in response to Lord V it was about 130 am after I got off work. I still had no idea Hippo had claimed.

Yeh it looks scummy but it was an honest mistake.

If I'm not mistaken, when someone has posted since you started writing, when you hit submit, it stops and show you the post. How come you didn't read hippo's post when it came up and interrupted you? It seems even more unlikely because he voted you in that post, so I would've thought you'd read it pretty carefully.

Unvote.

[Iron Butterfly]

Obviously something got crossed. All you have to do is look at the times.

Do you believe it would serve mafia purposes to willingly vote someone even after they have claimed?

As I said, when Lord V questioned my motives on my vote I was assuming it he was asking me because of my vote. I felt perfectly secure in my vote and would vote that way again. I just missed the claim, which is why I was so strong in my conviction during my reply.

Is one of two things.
1) An honest mistake albeit a careless one.

2) mafia scum with some ultimate battle strategy.

Who the hell would continue to vote like that unless it was a mistake?

[lord voldemort]

Maybe that's your play. Play as obvious scum and then claim who would play like that. Orrrrr. You're just real bad?! :/

[Iron Butterfly]

Maybe that's your play. Play as obvious scum and then claim who would play like that. Orrrrr. You're just real bad?! :/

Yes obviously those must be the only two choices.

[DiM]

Maybe that's your play. Play as obvious scum and then claim who would play like that. Orrrrr. You're just real bad?! :/

Yes obviously those must be the only two choices.

not saying that those could be the only choices but it does seem scummy.

here's how i see it.
hippo8 is at L-2, you vote for him putting him at L-1 hoping somebody jumps in and hammers.
if hippo8 comes up town (like he claimed) the person that first looks suspicious is the one that hammered. so you make your move, put the vote on hippo8 and hope somebody is foolish enough to hammer. that didn't happen so you fell back onto plan B and claimed it was a mistake and you didn't notice hippo8's claim.

now i'm not saying it wasn't a mistake, it could very well be. but it just seems too convenient.
to the fact that you missed his claim, add up that you were submarining for 5 days and that you came back and voted immediately after hippo8 voted for you and you'll see how everything looks fishy. almost as if you saw hippo8's claim and figured that depending on the bodyguard variation he has he will be impossible to kill at night so a lynch would be the only option so you tried your luck.

[Iron Butterfly]

Maybe that's your play. Play as obvious scum and then claim who would play like that. Orrrrr. You're just real bad?! :/

Yes obviously those must be the only two choices.

not saying that those could be the only choices but it does seem scummy.

here's how i see it.
hippo8 is at L-2, you vote for him putting him at L-1 hoping somebody jumps in and hammers.
if hippo8 comes up town (like he claimed) the person that first looks suspicious is the one that hammered. so you make your move, put the vote on hippo8 and hope somebody is foolish enough to hammer. that didn't happen so you fell back onto plan B and claimed it was a mistake and you didn't notice hippo8's claim.

now i'm not saying it wasn't a mistake, it could very well be. but it just seems too convenient.
to the fact that you missed his claim, add up that you were submarining for 5 days and that you came back and voted immediately after hippo8 voted for you and you'll see how everything looks fishy. almost as if you saw hippo8's claim and figured that depending on the bodyguard variation he has he will be impossible to kill at night so a lynch would be the only option so you tried your luck.

Look at the time difference between when Hippo claimed and I voted Him.

Dim..your whole WIFOM explanation hinges on the fact that I decided to sit in front of my computer moniter waiting for Hippo to post and I was NOT submarining!! A replacement for SG7 was not found until halfway into page 5. We are on page 8.

Everything else you state is pure speculation.

[DiM]

Look at the time difference between when Hippo claimed and I voted Him.

time difference is irrelevant. when you click submit and a post was already made you see what was in that post and can change your message completely.

maybe you just came to say you're not submarining, got scared that hippo8 claimed and that he might not be lynched plus he turned the vote towards you so you decided to try your luck and vote for him.

i'm not saying this is what happened, just saying it is a possibility. so the time difference isn't proof enough that you missed the post or that it was an honest mistake.

Dim..your whole WIFOM explanation hinges on the fact that I decided to sit in front of my computer moniter waiting for Hippo to post and I was NOT submarining!! A replacement for SG7 was not found until halfway into page 5. We are on page 8.

i do not measure time in number of pages but rather in days and hours.
you posted on: Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:56 pm
then came back and posted on: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:06 am
so 6 days apart. you can't tell me in 6 days you didn't have the time to check on this thread and say something. especially when you've been posting each day in your other mafia games.
and if you're saying you waited for sg7 to be replaced then let's look into that too:
sg7 was replaced on Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:32 pm
that means 4 days passed from when sg7 was replaced until you decided to come back and post.

and the funny thing is that you posted just 15 minutes after i accused you of submarining
it's almost as if you were in fact watching the thread laying low until somebody noticed what you're doing so you had to come out of the shadow.

Everything else you state is pure speculation.

of course it's speculation. it's as much as i can get in day 1. there's not much to go with so i'm trying to come up with something from little details and possible coincidences.
even if you indeed missed hippo's claim i still find scummy how you didn't post anything for 6 days and suddenly posted 15 minutes after you were accused of submarining.

[vodean]

Vote Count 1.5
Hippo - 2 (chuck, neb)
IB - 3 (hippo, lovo, DiM) L-2

Not voting - 4- MeDeFe, CMS, militant, IB
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline is set for Wednesday, 25th of July.
in the event that no majority is achieved by deadline (which is still subject to change) a no lynch will occur

[Iron Butterfly]

We have a 9 player game. Unlike larger games every person counts.

If I am Mafia you are suggesting that I willingly voted Hippo even after he claimed so I could put him at L-1 so someone else could lynch him. Lets overlook the fact that you can create any scenario you want as I cant change what happened.

Your saying that I as Mafia would willingly sacrifice myself to take out the body guard by hoping someone would hammer. People who play know that anyone who hammers first round would be put on the hot seat next day. A hammer would need to be cleared before hand.

I am highly suspect of your argument because you are putting me in a position where I can not disprove something that HAS NOT Happened.

I could just as easily put forth the scenario that Hippo is Mafia and by making me scum you make him into the good guy. I made a stupid mistake and so now mafia is putting me on the hot seat.

I have given you the reasons for what has happened. You are hiding behind the statement, "maybe you are telling the truth" BUT here is the reason you are guilty.

To say that I am guilty you have to provide the reason why I would sacrifice myself so early in the game other then to take out the body guard. If Hippo is the bodyguard...so what. He has been exposed. He has no idea who to protect. He is a meatsheild who will die anyways so why would mafia sacrifice themselves so early?

Hippo could just as easily be lieing about his claim as all we have is his word and you could be using my mistake as a smokescreen for Hippo.

So in conclusion...If Hippos claim is true he is just a meatsheild who will die protecting someone else anyways. Mafia would be stupid to sacrifice one of their own to take out such a role.

[thechuck51]

unvote

Bodyguard is an easy scum claim since he can always claim to have protected somebody that was not targeted for the kill. It is something that can be tested to some degree by a tracker though. But until given reason not to, I have to accept his claim as true.

I have to re-read and then I will post some more thoughts