Chariot of Fire[closed]

[Foxglove]

What is contained in the OP is the only example of some isolated incidents (and for the most part are unmerited, but I'm not saying all).

So this has only occurred in games in which chuuuuuck was a participant? Obviously those are the only ones he can provide the corroborating chat for, but you are clearly saying that if those are the only incidents, you didn't engage in any of the same types of actions or chats in other clan games?

Regrettably...and this I cannot deny...I felt the need to cover the turns of the players in those games. I did so at my behest, not theirs, so there is really no complicity on their part.

Untrue.

Complicity:
2012-06-13 13:28:18 - sonicsteve [team]: Anyway, I'll leave you to take the other hive (sonicsteve)
2012-06-13 13:28:57 - sonicsteve [team]: ok mate, will cover the other. cya (Chariot of Fire)

Complicity:
2012-06-13 23:54:00 - Chuuuuck [team]: pete - wanna just wall me (CoF) when u are online and I'll cover this nonsense. Cheers (Chariot of Fire)
2012-06-14 11:15:45 - Pedronicus [team]: right

Complicity:
012-06-15 05:05:25 - sonicsteve [team]: Cof, wanna cover another dose of nonsense?
2012-06-15 07:11:45 - Chuuuuck [team]: lol, ok (Chariot of Fire)

Complicity:
2012-06-19 10:47:13 - sonicsteve [team]: Lol, am I taking this? (sonicsteve)
...
2012-06-20 07:16:44 - Chuuuuck [team]: You are only taking it if you don't wall me to cover (CoF). I can't write "Are you on" on wals all day - it's driving me nuts (Chariot of Fire)

Complicity:
2012-07-06 03:08:41 - Pedronicus [team]: This 9:30am to 10:00 poker account switch is working like a charm. For anyone to see me with a hong kong flag they only have a window of a minute or two! (Pedronicus)
2012-07-06 03:10:14 - Pedronicus [team]: yeah i know (Chariot of Fire)
2012-07-06 03:10:30 - Pedronicus [team]: great that u r so reliable (Chariot of Fire)

Complicity:
2012-06-26 19:45:41 - raketen [team]: please take this turn for me, won't be around in a few hours
2012-06-26 20:53:25 - Chariot of Fire [team]: ok

Complicity:
2012-05-28 22:39:21 - Iron Maid [team]: we cannot risk against Josko to play under another flag
2012-05-28 22:56:44 - Chariot of Fire [team]: agree. there are 2 ways. 1. Write it all out for Barry (I thought Chuck was handling this game) or 2. Let me log in and you change the flag back again
2012-05-28 22:57:53 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I sure as hell could play it faster than I could type it all, so (2) is preferable if Barry's ok with that. My lunch is about to be served so there won't be any lengthy analysis & chat from me for a while....

Complicity:
2012-06-11 05:09:30 - sonicsteve [team]: Again assuming you'll want to pick this up.
2012-06-11 06:59:21 - Chariot of Fire [team]: sure
2012-06-12 00:28:19 - sonicsteve [team]: Cool, thanks

Complicity:
2012-05-19 16:17:08 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I might just have to catch this for u mate.
2012-05-19 17:22:08 - nippersean [team]: It's fine by me if you want to take it Si

Complicity:
2012-05-18 09:37:24 - Chariot of Fire [team]: I'll get this one for u Steve
2012-05-18 11:21:45 - sonicsteve [team]: Cheers Si.

Complicity:
2012-06-02 07:22:39 - Chariot of Fire [team]: i'll catch this for u pete. just wall me when u are on
2012-06-02 10:12:37 - Chariot of Fire [team]: going to bed soon mate - have to be tomorrow
2012-06-02 14:01:24 - Pedronicus [team]: ok mate

And it goes on and on and on - I'm tired of copying and pasting.

[comic boy]

Foxy
Given that Josko used to play pretty much every turn , and if I remember correctly you defended him, is it fair to conclude that you think Si equally innocent

[merch313]

1. Why did you so consistently and deliberately refuse to post in (public) game chat when taking a turn for others?
2. How do you justify the many, many instances of flag-switching collusion? The chat indicates pretty clearly that you understood it was wrong, and so you took worked with pedro, iron maid, sonicsteve, etc. to conceal your actions.
3. Your explanations for taking a turn that was low on time and you didn't know if a person would return to take it are totally reasonable. But how do you explain the instances where you took a turn for another player simply because it would have been too much work to type out your instructions for that player to follow?

That's pretty low.

+1 Well said Foxy! Now I dont have to lol...

And here is Chariot of Fire's exact quote from last year when belittling KoRT for doing the same thing.

"Hi gonzo, are you around? I am going sleep so prefer sit for you if you don't reply"

So what's the deal here? If I'm going to bed can I go and sit all my clanmates' turns before I retire?

....

The facility to sit for another is a privilege - it's not a right and it is not there to be abused to gain an unfair advantage which has clearly been the case in KORT clan games for the past nine months at least.

It seems last year, he was saying others weren't allowed to go around and cover turns before going to bed, but this year it seems okay as long as it is him and his clan.

I guess we all have the right to change opinons on matters LOL

[Foxglove]

Foxy
Given that Josko used to play pretty much every turn , and if I remember correctly you defended him, is it fair to conclude that you think Si equally innocent

Untrue, comic boy.

(Hey, Denise - these are the type of comments I referred to previously!)

[Big Whiskey]

Reliability issues (missed turns, etc) became a constant source of frustration and it became necessary to be more vigilant about his turn-taking and provide cover if necessary. Game 10716308 is the earliest example in his allegations - a case where he had been about to miss in another game and this one had under 7 hours on the clock. Whilst it may have been approaching morning his time, it was approaching bed time for me. Do I leave it and let the turn get missed? What do others do in cases like this? Hope the player turns up?

And here is Chariot of Fire's exact quote from last year when belittling KoRT for doing the same thing.

"Hi gonzo, are you around? I am going sleep so prefer sit for you if you don't reply"

So what's the deal here? If I'm going to bed can I go and sit all my clanmates' turns before I retire?

....

The facility to sit for another is a privilege - it's not a right and it is not there to be abused to gain an unfair advantage which has clearly been the case in KORT clan games for the past nine months at least.

It seems last year, he was saying others weren't allowed to go around and cover turns before going to bed, but this year it seems okay as long as it is him and his clan.

Chuck,u are funny man.Just a page or 2 ago u said:

Several of you have seemed to of gotten off topic. My motive for righting this report has no importance on this case. The bottom line is, the facts were presented and those should be considered on whether or not the accused is guilty of breaking the rules of the site.

.

And here u are making a post about something Cof said last year It's very obvious on why u started this thread.Try staying on topic in your own thread.

[drunkmonkey]

Foxy
Given that Josko used to play pretty much every turn , and if I remember correctly you defended him, is it fair to conclude that you think Si equally innocent

And this is why we don't care when people make sweeping generalizations about your clan.

[Chuuuuck]

It blows my mind that those of you that are now in TOFU but had nothing to do with this are making character attacks at me (the whistleblower).

I will state it again, I agree with what you are saying. I DO NOT LIKE CHARIOT OF FIRE. I have never gotten along with him. I argued with him regularly while I was there. I repeatedly asked him to not play games with he and I on the same team, yet he kept doing it.

He did this kind of sitting last year (and was found guilty). He started doing it again a lot more over the past few months. As has already been pointed out several times, I have been very spotty and not on this site much over the past few months. I did not have the time or commitment to this site to address the issue at the time. But I did make it clear in your forums I was going to be coming back and be more active on this site starting this week. I was kicked out before I came back. So obviously it made this the easy answer for addressing the issue of cheating. Regardless of any opinion of why I filed the report, it doesn't change the fact that the cheating has happened within the clan.

What is really baffling though, is those of you that are in TOFU, that are in no way related to this case (I will be the first to admit you all are great people and have had no association with this behavior) only care to point out the reason why I filed this report, but apparently have nothing to say about the person you are in a clan with behaving like this. I recall many of you thought it was disgusting when all of this came up with josko last year. Now you don't think it is quite so disgusting? Many of you have stated that it has never happened in the games you are in, nor would you let it happen. I agree with you and I applaud you for that standpoint. But you have not posted one thing about being upset that your clan mate is doing it in general. Do you now believe it is okay that he does this selectively when he chooses to? He has admitted guilt. Regardless to what extent it was happening, it was happening. I now get the impression that all of you are okay with that since the only thing that seems to upset you is the fact that I filed the report, am I wrong?

[Bones2484]

Clan's should never share permanent passwords and players should only change them temporarily if they are going to be away from the internet.

I've said it in the CLA. I've said it in the C&A forums. Mods and Admins seem to agree with me (as I've even read in this thread) yet there is no urgency to try to develop a new account sitting feature to prevent this crap from occurring. Absolutely no surprise this keeps happening, and I'm sure it's happening MUCH more than has been reported.

[IcePack]

CoF,
Haven't read all this here but to clear up some things mentioned / questioned.

1) 7 hours to go, morning for someone but bed for me - do we leave it going in hopes person will take their turns? A: Yes, in general if their reliability is in question they wouldn't e in clan, and we would let them time tick closer. Leave comments / strategy and if the time is closer to a miss at that point someone else who's perfectly capable of taking a turn / sitting and reading directions that were left could finish up instead of putting yourself in a spot by sitting "early".

2) if there's another case you mentioned about someone doing something worse "which is the greater sin?" where someone took a turn for someone wasn't in danger of missing...that's an issue for a seperate report and not this.

I don't really know much of the people involved here and not formed (much) of a opinion yet (haven't read it all or know all evidence) but thought I'd address a few things I saw.

IcePack

[Big Whiskey]

Yes u are wrong Chuck.You filed this report because u got thrown out of tofu not because u don't like Cof.That right there shows you are a very vindictive person.If u felt cof was breaking the rules the last 3 months u should've taken the high road and made this thread then.U say u haven't been around but yet u asked Cof to sit for u when u were around playing hive 1 vs 1.Seems like u might of a broke a rule or 2 yourself?If found guilty then Cof is the one who has to deal with it.For me,CC is a fun place to pass some time.Each and every player on here is responsible for there own actions.A lot of you take this shit wayyyyyyy to serious.

[hwhrhett]

i cant believe how many people are saying things like

1. everybody does it
2. chuck's just angry and resentful
3. whats the big deal


everyone involved in a clan should be angry about this... and if your clan makes a habit of stuff like this, then you and your clan should be ashamed... this is a big deal... if you think its not a big deal, then you shouldnt be defending cof, you should be petitioning for the allowance of 1-person-clans.... rules were obviously broken maliciously and actions were covered up to hide it... personally i think everyone that was involved should face penalties....

[Bones2484]

U say u haven't been around but yet u asked Cof to sit for u when u were around playing hive 1 vs 1.Seems like u might of a broke a rule or 2 yourself?

As has been mentioned already, multiple players were warned during the Josko case. The sittees are just as responsible in account sitting abuse as the sitter.

[freakns]

un-fucking-real...


does any of you boneheaded idiots understand this is a fucking game? does any of wants to battle against best, or only important thing is victory? trust me, your dick isnt going to be any bigger if you defeat someone in fucking game! does any of you take pleasure in playing, or its just about who gets the trophy in the end?

good lord...
Chuck being butthurt attacks CoF... KORT couldnt wait to join attacks... TOFU comes trying to justify Simon... and nobody, not even single one of you have opinion about what has happen, its is just important to attack/defend Si...

and Foxy, dont you play so nice and allmighty. how many times have Josko taken turns in KORT games? yes, Si was attacking him, and you were defending him just year ago... right now, you are attacking Si for same thing you were defending Josko(and yes, it is fucking same), just as every single one of you were either silent or defend GLG when he was attacked... and then you talk about hypocrisy?
and just to be clear, Si is doing same thing. he couldnt wait to attack KORT when Dako made mistake. he couldnt wait to attack Josko for pretty much same thing he did...


worst thing is that we all know what is going on in every big clan, but yet we like to play dumb.

i dont like what Si has done(if he played turns for someone while he was online), but i dont want him banned at least not until our clan war is over. i just cant believe that instead of respecting each others, you attack each other?! WHY??????????
i had good relationship with Blitz and BW when they were best clan players on site... i have good relationship with both CoF and Josko, with most of TOFU and KORT, even with PACK who is looked here like some kind of plague(must be because they arent all nice and cheese outside while being bitter inside), and i had great relationship with old Empire chaps(Luba, Chep, Chuck who apparently has small penis, and CoF have some pictures to prove it)...this might be due the fact that im not all that good at this CC shit, so noone is threaten by me, but at the end, i think it is something else...
next time, do what i do... jerk off before posting anything, and turn off your computer when you go drinking, cause if this crap is on and im wasted, god knows what ill write or do... at the end, you all gonna like each other more, and youd be less sexually frustrated.

[freakns]

Yes u are wrong Chuck.You filed this report because u got thrown out of tofu not because u don't like Cof.That right there shows you are a very vindictive person.If u felt cof was breaking the rules the last 3 months u should've taken the high road and made this thread then.U say u haven't been around but yet u asked Cof to sit for u when u were around playing hive 1 vs 1.Seems like u might of a broke a rule or 2 yourself?If found guilty then Cof is the one who has to deal with it.For me,CC is a fun place to pass some time.Each and every player on here is responsible for there own actions.A lot of you take this shit wayyyyyyy to serious.

and this is why i love BW... such a shame he has balls

[Chuuuuck]

Again, you only seem to be concerned with Why the report was filed, which I am not arguing against. But you don't seem to be concerned at all with the cheating that is taking place in clan war games by members of the clan that you are playing with.

You said "if he is found guilty." Have you missed the part where he admitted guilt? Are you okay that your team does this as long as you are not involved in the games?

If you all say I should of been concerned months ago (when I was hardly on the site), should you all not of been concerned months ago? I am concerned now.... are none of you concerned now?

[jgordon1111]

Again, you only seem to be concerned with Why the report was filed, which I am not arguing against. But you don't seem to be concerned at all with the cheating that is taking place in clan war games by members of the clan that you are playing with.

You said "if he is found guilty." Have you missed the part where he admitted guilt? Are you okay that your team does this as long as you are not involved in the games?

If you all say I should of been concerned months ago (when I was hardly on the site), should you all not of been concerned months ago? I am concerned now.... are none of you concerned now?

From what I am gathering chuuck,with the whole I was hardly on the site thing is,YOU had time to play some speed gamers and take a few turns.

You knew what was going on at that time,if you felt a morale obligation to report it,YOU could have skipped one of those games and made the report then.

You didnt so it make it very suspicious that you choose to wait until you are no longer in ToFu to report this.

Do not get me wrong at all,I think every person in the clan on in any other clan who knows this is going on ought to have their ass handed to them.

Start with farming and go to account sitting abuse.

[Foxglove]

and Foxy, dont you play so nice and allmighty. how many times have Josko taken turns in KORT games? yes, Si was attacking him, and you were defending him just year ago... right now, you are attacking Si for same thing you were defending Josko(and yes, it is fucking same), just as every single one of you were either silent or defend GLG when he was attacked... and then you talk about hypocrisy?
and just to be clear, Si is doing same thing. he couldnt wait to attack KORT when Dako made mistake. he couldnt wait to attack Josko for pretty much same thing he did...

Well, to be clear - I have always believed it's acceptable to step in and take a turn for a teammate who is about to miss.

What I have been doing in this thread is:
1. calling CoF a hypocrite (which I believe is justified, considering that there are quotable posts where he condemns the actions that the game chats chuuuuck posted prove he has taken)
2. asking CoF to defend the turn-taking collusion when the player he sits for is clearly online
3 gloating

I think number 3 proves that I'm not nice and almighty. I apologize for it though, and after my response to Denise decided to refrain from that in future posts.

Regarding josko: I have defended him many times and for many reasons, but primarily because I cannot stand when people name call (CoF has called him a multitude of negative names that I won't bother to re-list here) and I cannot stand when people use him as focal point to direct hate and derision at my entire clan.

Regarding GLG: what does he have to do with me or account sitting? Nothing. There is no purpose to mention him in this thread.

[Chuuuuck]

First and foremost, I except all responsibility and guilt for allowing my account to be used in the handful of illegal sitting situations that it was (even though it was not to the extent as the others, and never with collusion over flags). I regret ever having allowed this to have happened and am fully okay with whatever warning, *Noted* or other punishment that comes out of it because I know that I do not condone an environment of that behavior myself, although Chariot of Fire has now shown a habit of that type of behavior.

Second, I agree with you jgordon. I posted in their forums about those speed games, although none of them would come forward and talk about it since they have tried to base their defense around a personal attack. I posted that I was having personal/family issues in their forms sometime after mid-June. I then got on for speed games occasionally. It appears during the time frame I was gone I played 6 speed games. I posted in their forum that I was getting on occasionally, to play games. I still needed a sitter. I was not home for most of that time period. I was traveling, I would have spotty internet service, and was spending a lot of time with family. I couldn't guarantee day in and day out I would get on and take turns. There were times that I had free time with nothing to do, in those times I chose to log in and play a speed game because I would have an hour or two to kill. But as soon as that short period was up, I couldn't guarantee I would be getting on again in the next 24 hours. I posted and told them this, but of course they would only share with you the parts they want.

I find it humorous they are hanging part of their rebuttal on the fact the I got on to play speed games for entertainment while traveling and dealing with family issues. Even funnier, if I am guilty for doing that, then that only makes him more guilty during that time period with many more games and game chat that I did not post in the OP.

[freakns]

and Foxy, dont you play so nice and allmighty. how many times have Josko taken turns in KORT games? yes, Si was attacking him, and you were defending him just year ago... right now, you are attacking Si for same thing you were defending Josko(and yes, it is fucking same), just as every single one of you were either silent or defend GLG when he was attacked... and then you talk about hypocrisy?
and just to be clear, Si is doing same thing. he couldnt wait to attack KORT when Dako made mistake. he couldnt wait to attack Josko for pretty much same thing he did...

Well, to be clear - I have always believed it's acceptable to step in and take a turn for a teammate who is about to miss.

What I have been doing in this thread is:
1. calling CoF a hypocrite (which I believe is justified, considering that there are quotable posts where he condemns the actions that the game chats chuuuuck posted prove he has taken)
2. asking CoF to defend the turn-taking collusion when the player he sits for is clearly online
3 gloating

I think number 3 proves that I'm not nice and almighty. I apologize for it though, and after my response to Denise decided to refrain from that in future posts.

Regarding josko: I have defended him many times and for many reasons, but primarily because I cannot stand when people name call (CoF has called him a multitude of negative names that I won't bother to re-list here) and I cannot stand when people use him as focal point to direct hate and derision at my entire clan.

Regarding GLG: what does he have to do with me or account sitting? Nothing. There is no purpose to mention him in this thread.

i think you are missing my point... gloating part is the worst one because you are doing the same!!!
you said you hate when ppl use Josko to direct hate at whole KORT(in my defense, i actually think Josko is really nice guy, and his posts in serbian are much more polite then the ones he writes in english... all humor and satire are clearly visible...), and now you are doing the same! and GLG has everything to do with it. you defended him because he is in your clan, just as you have defended everyone else who is in your clan. thats the point! you dont defend/attack actions, you defend/attack players. and there is nothing more wrong then that!
and for not being nice and almighty, but bad and naughty, id like to spank you for punishment

[Foxglove]

and Foxy, dont you play so nice and allmighty. how many times have Josko taken turns in KORT games? yes, Si was attacking him, and you were defending him just year ago... right now, you are attacking Si for same thing you were defending Josko(and yes, it is fucking same), just as every single one of you were either silent or defend GLG when he was attacked... and then you talk about hypocrisy?
and just to be clear, Si is doing same thing. he couldnt wait to attack KORT when Dako made mistake. he couldnt wait to attack Josko for pretty much same thing he did...

Well, to be clear - I have always believed it's acceptable to step in and take a turn for a teammate who is about to miss.

What I have been doing in this thread is:
1. calling CoF a hypocrite (which I believe is justified, considering that there are quotable posts where he condemns the actions that the game chats chuuuuck posted prove he has taken)
2. asking CoF to defend the turn-taking collusion when the player he sits for is clearly online
3 gloating

I think number 3 proves that I'm not nice and almighty. I apologize for it though, and after my response to Denise decided to refrain from that in future posts.

Regarding josko: I have defended him many times and for many reasons, but primarily because I cannot stand when people name call (CoF has called him a multitude of negative names that I won't bother to re-list here) and I cannot stand when people use him as focal point to direct hate and derision at my entire clan.

Regarding GLG: what does he have to do with me or account sitting? Nothing. There is no purpose to mention him in this thread.

i think you are missing my point... gloating part is the worst one because you are doing the same!!!
you said you hate when ppl use Josko to direct hate at whole KORT(in my defense, i actually think Josko is really nice guy, and his posts in serbian are much more polite then the ones he writes in english... all humor and satire are clearly visible...), and now you are doing the same!

I'm not, though. I'm not calling everyone in TOFU a cheater. I'm not saying that CoF takes every turn for members of TOFU. I'm not taking digs at the entire clan (there are many people in TOFU that I like and respect!). I'm not saying that CoF directs the strategy for every TOFU clan game, regardless of whether he's in it or not. CoF has said all of those thing about KORT over the past two years. My comments (I hope) have been specifically directed at CoF and the people identified in the original post.

and GLG has everything to do with it. you defended him because he is in your clan, just as you have defended everyone else who is in your clan. thats the point!

haha, where? I have never, not even once, defended GLG. I have him on foe.

you dont defend/attack actions, you defend/attack players. and there is nothing more wrong then that!

I admit, I am flawed!

and for not being nice and almighty, but bad and naughty, id like to spank you for punishment

Well that certainly doesn't belong in this thread.

[jimboy]

I'm throwing out a prediction that this thread ends up locked before the day is over. That's all I have to say about this.

[SirSebstar]

we are on page 9, so if it was going to get locked, it would have by now. unless more namecalling is made, then it shuts down for sure.
Also, mindblowing stuff....Epic in a very negative way

[jltile1]

LOCKED

[sonicsteve]

mod edit: flame

[trapyoung]

[insert snarky comment here]