pmeisner@pmeisne and tlk70[Warned]TFO

[Pajarito]

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Accused:

tlk70
pmeisner@pmeisne



The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy



Game number(s):

Game 11218119
Game 11271509
Game 11230331
Game 11154417

Comments:

And every World 2.1 game that these two have played together - I checked them all, and in the ones that one or the other of these two have won (most of them) EVERY TIME the last player eliminated was the non-winner of this pair. I'm currently in three games of this kind with these two, in one another player accused them of SD in previous games (I checked his claims, and he was correct), and I have now seen this in action. They leave their common borders undefended (all FOG games, btw), and I just discovered a case where one of them has erected a defensive border for the other.

Take a look at their games together - this is really, really blatant.

[nietzsche]

AHA!

I fucking knew it!

Game 10517846

But you capitalist whores let him buy his way in again, just to f*ck up other players!


viewtopic.php?f=239&t=167640&start=0&hilit=pmeisner%40pmeisne

you are a disgrace multi hunters.

if you let this idiot buy his way in the game again you are cheaper than ******* *********

[nietzsche]

Check all their games together. Whenever they are both in a game, a high percentage of times one of them wins:

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?s ... so=&page=1

[nietzsche]

High five Pajarito, we got these two.


We should get some of the $50 they are going to charge them to get back in to cheat again!

[will_mp40]

pme wouldnt do that kind of stuff.

He's too honest...

But i can see why you would say that

[nietzsche]

pme wouldnt do that kind of stuff.

He's too honest...

But i can see why you would say that

Are you blind? Proof is there. Check the game chat in the game I linked, at the point of that game I wasn't suspicious yet. Not sure about multis, but secret diplomacy for sure.

[nietzsche]

are you guys working on an agreement?

I can keep my mouth shut, all I ask is 5dls for me and 5 for Pajarito

[General Tomcat]

I'm currently in two games with these guys and was warned. I checked their other games and it is so obvious it's funny. Cheats, i'll beat them anyway

[TheForgivenOne]

Patience. I am currently in discussions with the OP on proof, due to the fact is all I see is Fog.

[nietzsche]

Patience. I am currently in discussions with the OP on proof, due to the fact is all I see is Fog.

What about the previous incidents?

What about my game? What about the fact that whenever they are both in a game a lot of times on of them wins?

In my game, pmeisner suicided on my around round 25, killing 50, or a bonus of 1, giving the game to tlk70.

[TheForgivenOne]

Alright. After a long deliberation, which included ka, the official verdict is that both of them will be receiving a Warning for Secret Diplomacy.

While we did agree, their actions were indeed suspicious, we don't see enough evidence for a Block to be in place. Here are some numbers I found

They are/have been in 84 games together. 4 are Active.

Of the 80 finished, One of Pm or tlk has won 55 games out of the 80. And lost 25. A majority of these are 8 player games, and they have a win percentage of 68.75%.

While this indeed is highly suspicious, I also looked through the logs, and in almost every instance, pmeisner formally asked for truces with every player in the game, not just tlk, which would seem that he doesn't clearly try to team with tlk alone. While this may seem like it isn't secret, pmeisner said this:

2012-06-24 09:10:55 - pmeisner@pmeisne: YELLOW, friends play with friends (BIG SECRET). I try not to kill mine unless I have to.

This shows that he does tend to favour his friend. The next time these two get reported for suspicious play, and we agree it is suspicious, then a Block will be put in place.

[nietzsche]

Grow a pair, this is their second report, and if you know a little of math you'd know their winning percentage in these games is way over what they were supposed to. (2 of 8, 25% for equally skilled, given that they are high ranks, maybe 35%-40% at most? But no, it's 68%)

SECOND REPORT AND ONLY A WARNING WHEN IT'S OBVIOUSLY ROTTEN, JUST ANOTHER REASONE CC IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN: THE OWNER DOESN'T CARE ANYMORE AND THE MODS ARE, WELL, PLASTIC MODS? SEE WHAT I DID THERE?

Did you consider what I said? It's backed up in the chat of that game.