[CL4] Ph2 Div 1 - Winner: KoRT MVP: Mudfighter

[Teflon Kris]

What would tiebreaker be in that case? Head-2-Head?

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

[Qwert]

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

by Swifte » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

win % dont give you nothing,only points. In division 2 LOW have better win% but he will not move to next stage.
Acording to points(only finished games)
kort--8
pack--6
emp--4
ia-----4
aoc---4
tofu-4
afos--4
tsm--2

Win % still plays a huge roll in this event. If kort beats empire, aoc ties ia and loses to pack, ia beats tsm, we'd have a 3 way tie at 7 pts to fill to final spots. tofu may be in the mix as well, but may be a game or 2 short in win%. it's possible (would take a miracle) empire and ia even end up tied in pts and win % for the 4th and final spot.

qwert wrote:
final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

well before you get in position to determine order by HEad to head, you need to get 3 teams with same number of points and with same game diference.
Its need to look like this:
3.EMP----7--[44-40]
3.AOC----7--[44-40]
3. IA----7--[44-40]
-------------------------
then you make new table and first look on head to head results
EMP-AOC-4-8
AOC-IA-6-6
EMP-IA 8-4
head to head table will look
3.AOC--3--[14-10]
4.EMP--2--[12-12]
5.IA----1--[10-14]
----------------------------
but i think that this hard to hepend.

[PROFITS]

There is still a possibility of IA, TOFU, AND AOC all ending up at 7 pts 42-42 record. Head to head to head would equal ia 14, tofu 12, aoc 10. IA would advance in this scenario from what I understand.

[betiko]

you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

[Qwert]

you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

[tokle]

you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

[tokle]

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-5 IA
KORT 3-5 EMP

31 games left.

[Qwert]

you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

im not confused, betiko are confused. He think that 3 teams can not be determined by head to head.

[Leehar]

you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

im not confused, betiko are confused. He think that 3 teams can not be determined by head to head.

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

[lord voldemort]

I dont even know whats happening....

I feel like its best to just win the games you can and let teflon sort it out
I do hope we make the top 4 though...either way its pretty insane how tight we all are

yes that was a euphemism

[betiko]

you are the only one confused here qwert. why would you need a 3 teams tie to determine by head to head? 2 teams can end up with the same points and same number of phase 2 overall victories. that's when you look at the head to head skermish result.

? no its look that you are confused, because we talk abouth posibility that you have 3 teams with same number of points and same number of win/lost games. Ofcourse that you can have 2 teams head to head also. In some situation,you even can have 4 teams head to head, but hard to hepend here.

You want to say,that its not possibile 3 teams ti have same number of points and win/lost diference?

It is possible. But I don't see what you are confused about. I think the rules are clear.

im not confused, betiko are confused. He think that 3 teams can not be determined by head to head.

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

qwert says; "first place are head to head results". no, that is not true; that comes third as everyone is explaining.
And when did I say a X number of teams tied is not possible? I said that you didn't need to show a 3 team tie to illustrate when we use the head to head tie break, which can occur with 2 teams tied... it's all much more simple.

[Qwert]

>>>betiko
qwert says; "first place are head to head results". no, that is not true; that comes third as everyone is explaining.
And when did I say a X number of teams tied is not possible? I said that you didn't need to show a 3 team tie to illustrate when we use the head to head tie break, which can occur with 2 teams tied... it's all much more simple.<<<

Unbelivabile, i have show combination of 3 team head to head, from mine discussion with Proffit, what could hepend, and you find that this its not true? Do you understand meaning of words " possibile situation" " example" " maybe could hepend"
And where you find that i say "first place are head to head results", because i can not remember any mine post to be so short with only one sentence?

ok,i find,and i must say that your take only small part of mine words out of contest, so that look that i tell wrong. Please next time be much precise.

League position is determined firstly by Total Points, then by Total Games Won, then by comparing Head-to-Head rounds between any tied teams. If this still does not separate teams then a best-of-3 Play-Off will take-place (Random Trips, Escalating, Chained, Sunny).

head to head results,games or rounds? Its realy confusing when rules are not explane enough.
I assume that in first place are head to head results,then games, and round dont know what reffered.

I say correct, but you dont understand.
League position determine by;
1-Total points
2-Total game won
after that if you have tied teams,then its determined
1-head to head results(points)
2-head to head game won
well this its what i conclude from this rules above,maybe we dont read in same way?

[Seulessliathan]

I suggest everybody who believes other guys can´t read the rules take it to pm so you can have a private fight there. It´s annoying to watch this thread believing there are some interesting news and then it´s just some guys telling each other they can´t read. Thanks.

[Teflon Kris]

Scores and table updated.

[betiko]

qwert, you just said that you were confused by the rules and said something untrue in your first post of this page; replies from various people were done quoting you so stop acting all worked up like that. I see that now you do understand the rule, so good, end of discution.

[lynch5762]

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-5 IA
KORT 3-5 EMP

31 games left.

I think round 7 is off a bit... I have PACK vs AOC at 5-4 and soon to be 6-5 in favor of the Pack.
AOC is fighting hard for a tie in the last game of that match

[jetsetwilly]

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-5 IA
KORT 3-5 EMP

31 games left.

I think round 7 is off a bit... I have PACK vs AOC at 5-4 and soon to be 6-5 in favor of the Pack.
AOC is fighting hard for a tie in the last game of that match

Not sure which game you are referring to but I see a definite 7-5 result for the pack.

[denthefrog]

TOFU Vs KORT and KORT VS EMP will both be a draw

[jetsetwilly]

So just trying to get my head around this.

If we win the Conquer Rome game with IA then we draw and both end on 7 points.
TOFU need to win Hive games against TSM and AFOS to get the 2 draws required to take them to 7 points ?

[Leehar]

TOFU Vs KORT and KORT VS EMP will both be a draw

Pity we couldn't take Prohib Escalating Think that could have pipped the phase 2 medals. Looks like you'll have 10 then, and us 8; instead of 9/9 and then phase 2 champion based on WP.

Still, it just brings home how tight this whole competition has been. A coupla more wins for us and we'd have been 1st; A coupla more losses, and we'd have fallen outside the top 4!

[denthefrog]

medals?
i dont think anybody in kort was aware of geting medals for phase 2
nice surprise

[Leehar]

medals?
i dont think anybody in kort was aware of geting medals for phase 2
nice surprise

lol, and you guys came up with the format
Yup, each phase 2 winner Division winner gets a medal.

Kinda weird tho, because all we'd have had to do was purposefully do worse for our Phase 1 results, and get an easier shot at 2 sets of medals for phase 2 and 4 wins in a lower division.
Thankfully I don't think that was in anyone's mind, but it does seem a bit nonsensical and bears looking into for future seasons.

[tokle]

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 4-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 4-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 7-4 TSM
TOFU 5-6 KORT
IA 4-7 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 6-5 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 3-6 IA
KORT 6-5 EMP

[Great-Ollie]

Game 11176748 All down to this game against AOC to determine if we receive 8 points or 7 points. Come on PACK!

[Sniper08]

Game 11176748 All down to this game against AOC to determine if we receive 8 points or 7 points. Come on PACK!

even if by some chance we end up losing that game(unlikely but the way this phase has gone not totally out of the question) i think we have a better w/l then the other 7 pts clans