Phatscotty wrote:saxitoxin wrote:
What's not in dispute, though, is that Zimmerman pursued Martin....
Actually, the prosecutor tried to say the same thing in court, but Zimmerman's lawyer objected that narrative, and the Judge sustained it, because of lack of evidence. (even in a process that provides a lot of leeway)
Start about 10:30, again a minute later. (the prosecutor keep calling Trayvon "Mr. Trayvon".)
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I heard some people earlier making the claim that using the name Trayvon is racist. Namely, Notyou2, Natty, Neo, Even BBS (although mockingly) and Andy...So I have to ask you guys who were saying such things, Is the Prosecutor that is trying to lock up Zimmeran a racist too? Do you guys see how diluting the term racist and repeating it daily and attacking everyone who disagrees with your point of view is an auto-racist, actually does injustice in the problem of racism, and I will argue for the rest of my life that the behavior of trying to attack people as racist when there is none ends up being the racism you pretend to be calling out. You can't "use" racism and pretend you aren't one. You don't get to demean and minimize and disgrace the actual problem of racism to use as a personal club to harass and and smear honest people speaking on the facts. Plus, it only proves you know so little about the issue are hand that you disqualify yourself from having a valid opinion and just end up trolling.
Also, many may not remember, but this is another example of how stupid people can look because they call people racists so much it barely even means anything anymore. I've been called a racist here and accused of "supporting" a Hispanic person, but in the Arizona 1070b thread I was called racist against Hispanics....
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However, we all know why it is you do it.....Hopefully one day you people will wake up and see the error of your ways and learn from them.
Since there was a surprising amount of sense in this post, I'll go against my general policy and talk to you like you're an actual human being. This might seem weird. I apologize if it's concerning in any way.
To be 100% honest, once I learned that a trial was going to be held, I lost complete interest in this case. In a situation where an unarmed minor was violently killed, the idea that there wouldn't be a formal presentation of evidence/details of events seemed pretty off to me. If Zimmerman was innocently defending himself, I hope the jury makes the decision to find him not guilty. It doesn't really affect me, assuming a fair trial. But when the shooting took place, the backlash in both directions of the "racial" divide was instantaneous. Blacks wanted Zimmerman charged so that justice was served, one way or the other. I agree with this concept. The jury will make a decision and I'll move on with my life. This movement is consistent. The black community has a bit of a history with the police, and the south has their own thing going, so that discussion was expected. You can agree or disagree that it was necessary, but whatever. It's not my fight. The "other side" confused me a bit. The libruls were chastised for not "waiting for the evidence" all the while being told that there should not be a trial, because the incident was in self defence. These two concepts are sorta mutually exclusive. My opinion was that the situation was not cut and dry, and should probably go to court because of that. The racial aspect is an interesting one, but a fight I prefer to leave to those that are more directly involved in the issue. As far as I can recall, my involvement on this issue has been pretty minor.
Now, my personal vendetta against racism on this site. I recognize that my criticisms of your, Night Strike's, and various other's racism sometimes comes across as joking. Let's get something perfectly clear: I really do think y'all are racist. I don't think you're involved in lynch mobs or burning crosses or even just holding the black man down. At least, not with conscious intention. I do think you feel your opinions are fair, equal, and all those other buzzwords. But the history of your positions, your mannerisms and interests have led me to that conclusion. The most recent one is a nice example. You fail to see the bias in referring to the first name of the deceased, and the last name of the accused. It's marginalizing, and I have a difficult time not feeling that's intentional. This does not even include the fact that "Trayvon" is a "black name." And you try to extract yourself from it by saying "lol the prosecutor did it too." I have a hunch the prosecutor's motives were a bit more complex than yours. Humanizing the victim and dehumanizing the assailant (and vice versa) are a courtroom tactic. When you do it, combined with your previous history, I almost here you calling him "boy." It's that sharp in my mind.
Next, you are absolutely correct that racism is no laughing matter. That's why I wanted to tell you that I'm not joking. I think you're racist. It's not all hooded rednecks and ghetto thugs. Fortunately racism has gotten more subtle, but unfortunately that makes it harder to combat, and I have to waste words explaining myself. All of the humor in my posts about your racism, 100% of it, and I recognize this when I post, is self-referential. For a while, I sort of saw a bit of a meme where I would pop into a thread whenever I saw your racism on display, and post a one liner about it. I learned that this is what you actually think people like me live to do, is bring you down with constant taunting. I embraced it. It amused me to fulfill your nonsense persecution fantasies, because I'm a sucker for easy irony. But, make no mistake, I am not joking when I say I think you're racist.
Speaking of irony. Wanna know something else that's not a laughing matter? Character assassination. It's a courtroom tactic. It's a media tactic. It's easy to hate on the media for being slime balls and smearing Zimmerman. It's also easy to point out that it doesn't justify your attempts to smear Martin. Posting him throwing the bird around and what have you is the same thing the media did to Zimmerman. And even if you thought you were being ironic, it's still wrong, and that's not the way to go about preventing or correcting character assassination. I know you have beef with the liberal media. Playing their game brings you down to their level (I'd argue that you were never above that level, but this is probably enough criticism for now). Stop being a hypocrite.
x a billion. You still basing everything on the looks of 5 year old photograps huh? profile much? What is that diet you speak of where a person can drop 90 pounds in 7 weeks. OMG LOL you are so precious! But of course you will dismiss the evidence you have with such certainty dismissed in the past, and now when presented with the truth, you dig in even deeper...
