Chariot of Fire, et al: Search for PERSONAL info [Closed]

by **Gen.LeeGettinhed** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:54 pm

Accused:

Chariot of Fire
eddie2
TheGeneral2112
IR1SH ACE
QoH
AndOthers

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Using CC site to collect and post attempts at digging up PERSONAL information about other CC players

Game number(s): Not in Games, in CCCW Clan site, etc.

Comments:
CC admin has been advised that at least five current or past members of CCCW (those named above +/-) had used CC site to:
-coordinate digging up of PERSONAL data on DH across the internet, etc.
-posting DH related information (hoping it was the right DH -- including Picture[s] and even a death notice)
-supposedly directed by Chariot of Fire, carried out by eddie2 (and others) posted by several of the accused
-KA cc'd me on a warning to two (2) of those involved, but to the best of my knowledge NOT the king-pin Chariot of Fire

As a reminder:
-I rarely posted ANYTHING except in rebuttal to those people and their buddies
-I play the game BY THE RULES -- maybe to the edge, but LEGALLY
-posting PERSONAL information is strictly against the rules -- supposedly second only to being Multi/cheating as a CC no-no
-me playing by the rules was considered a "gross misuse", so leading this and doing this should be MUCH WORSE and carry a severe punishment
-while this isn't Murder or Rape or Robbery, it IS attempted. . .and posted
-this is IN ADDITION to posting LIES/EXAGGERATIONS in attempts to slander/libel my ID. The above and this were both sent to KA, but CC public needs to know the atrocities Chariot of Fire and his partners do and attempt "in the name of CC justice"

GLG

by **ljex** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:59 pm

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:Accused:

Chariot of Fire
eddie2
TheGeneral2112
IR1SH ACE
QoH
AndOthers

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Using CC site to collect and post attempts at digging up PERSONAL information about other CC players

Game number(s): Not in Games, in CCCW Clan site, etc.

Comments:
CC admin has been advised that at least five current or past members of CCCW (those named above +/-) had used CC site to:
-coordinate digging up of PERSONAL data on DH across the internet, etc.
-posting DH related information (hoping it was the right DH -- including Picture[s] and even a death notice)
-supposedly directed by Chariot of Fire, carried out by eddie2 (and others) posted by several of the accused
-KA cc'd me on a warning to two (2) of those involved, but to the best of my knowledge NOT the king-pin Chariot of Fire

As a reminder:
-I rarely posted ANYTHING except in rebuttal to those people and their buddies
-I play the game BY THE RULES -- maybe to the edge, but LEGALLY
-posting PERSONAL information is strictly against the rules -- supposedly second only to being Multi/cheating as a CC no-no
-me playing by the rules was considered a "gross misuse", so leading this and doing this should be MUCH WORSE and carry a severe punishment
-while this isn't Murder or Rape or Robbery, it IS attempted. . .and posted
-this is IN ADDITION to posting LIES/EXAGGERATIONS in attempts to slander/libel my ID. The above and this were both sent to KA, but CC public needs to know the atrocities Chariot of Fire and his partners do and attempt "in the name of CC justice"

GLG

its hard to take a report seriously when you post no evidence whatsoever of your suspicions...

by **Night Strike** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:59 pm

Talk about a vengeance thread. :roll:

Where are the actual infractions? You've posted accusations, not evidence. If it happened in a private clan forum, then posting it in C&A accomplishes nothing.

by **Gen.LeeGettinhed** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:01 pm

PROOF includes:

1)
http://puu.sh/iOX9

2)
Chariot of Fire wrote:
Sorry, in particular to Irish & Eddie, for not having contributed to the thread (either here or in C&A). I have to say that at first, when Eddie kindly PM'd me with details of the allegations that were to be levied against GLG, I couldn't really fathom what proof there was. GLG's comments in chat really count for nothing. There's no requirement to tell the truth and/or to not bluff. So initially my thoughts were that it wouldn't lead to anything. Coupled with this we all know the expression 'once bitten twice shy'. Well, coming on the back of a forum ban for what (to the majority) was the most innocuous of comments I had made, it simply didn't seem worth weighing-in with any ridicule (which is what I feel like typing whenever I read his posts).

I honestly think the best way forward is the threat of a boycott - one which needs to garner support so it has a lot more weight - and the whole issue brought to the attention of Brian Lack via e-mail so he can see for himself how detrimental this reprobate is to the site and in particular those newcomers who he fleeces and deters. Get enough people behind the motion and have each one display a banner of solidarity ("No say, no pay" or something like that, along with a subtle allusion to GLG and his methods).

Came across this recently:

http://www.greatlakes.axa-advisors.com/ ... m?ID=65377

He has the face of someone I'd really entrust with my money as he's married with a couple of boys and just so happens to live in the Midwest timezone. Then again he has the kind of smug face I'd like to cave in. I'm really undecided and can't be too sure (yet) if he is the right person I'd 'entrust with my money'. What do you think?

3)TheGeneral2112
22:01:17 ‹TheGeneral2112› Yea, but I know at least 4 people are using this picture for their avi.
22:01:29 ‹TheGeneral2112› We just need more people.
22:01:33 ‹TheGeneral2112› We need to spread the avi.
22:01:57 ‹TheGeneral2112› But how many are they willing to ban??
22:02:15 ‹TheGeneral2112› Will they ban all 20 of us?
22:02:35 ‹TheGeneral2112› I am willing to risk it to be one of the 20.
. . .
(then posting a Death Notice with names of DH etc.)
22:06:04 ‹TheGeneral2112› I will be treading VERY carefully here.
22:06:14 ‹TheGeneral2112› The only thing they have me on is some live chat comments.
22:06:38 ‹TheGeneral2112› I said my name was Rev John, which is Steven's grandfather.
22:06:48 ‹TheGeneral2112› And I said I was a pastor of the church he was a pastor of.
22:06:59 ‹TheGeneral2112› And I'm sure GLG's face paled.
22:07:30 ‹TheGeneral2112› Yea, I will be careful though.

Proof enough for me. These 5+ have gone TOO far. Warning from KA is not enough.

GLG

by **ljex** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:01 pm

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:123456

...?

by **Gen.LeeGettinhed** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:11 pm

wow, you guys are SOOOO fast to comment and defend people that do REALLY horrible things

. . .within 7 minutes of original post. . .before details/proof can be added in supplemental post -- WOW

by **ljex** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:14 pm

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:wow, you guys are SOOOO fast to comment and defend people that do REALLY horrible things

i never defended anyone just comment on the lack of evidence

by **army of nobunaga** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:17 pm

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:Accused:

Chariot of Fire
eddie2
TheGeneral2112
IR1SH ACE
QoH
AndOthers

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Using CC site to collect and post attempts at digging up PERSONAL information about other CC players

Game number(s): Not in Games, in CCCW Clan site, etc.

Comments:
CC admin has been advised that at least five current or past members of CCCW (those named above +/-) had used CC site to:
-coordinate digging up of PERSONAL data on DH across the internet, etc.
-posting DH related information (hoping it was the right DH -- including Picture[s] and even a death notice)
-supposedly directed by Chariot of Fire, carried out by eddie2 (and others) posted by several of the accused
-KA cc'd me on a warning to two (2) of those involved, but to the best of my knowledge NOT the king-pin Chariot of Fire

As a reminder:
-I rarely posted ANYTHING except in rebuttal to those people and their buddies
-I play the game BY THE RULES -- maybe to the edge, but LEGALLY
-posting PERSONAL information is strictly against the rules -- supposedly second only to being Multi/cheating as a CC no-no
-me playing by the rules was considered a "gross misuse", so leading this and doing this should be MUCH WORSE and carry a severe punishment
-while this isn't Murder or Rape or Robbery, it IS attempted. . .and posted
-this is IN ADDITION to posting LIES/EXAGGERATIONS in attempts to slander/libel my ID. The above and this were both sent to KA, but CC public needs to know the atrocities Chariot of Fire and his partners do and attempt "in the name of CC justice"

GLG

by **Night Strike** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:18 pm

So if that's your evidence, why wasn't it in your first post (where evidence of the accusation goes)? Furthermore, if KA has already warned them, then you have to have proof that they've been doing this AFTER the warning. And that Live Chat copy looks like you could have made it up, unless you have a screenshot of it. Plus, it has no date on it, which goes back to my comment about whether or not it happened after a warning.

by **Gen.LeeGettinhed** on Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:48 pm

Night Strike wrote:So if that's your evidence, why wasn't it in your first post (where evidence of the accusation goes)? Furthermore, if KA has already warned them, then you have to have proof that they've been doing this AFTER the warning. And that Live Chat copy looks like you could have made it up, unless you have a screenshot of it. Plus, it has no date on it, which goes back to my comment about whether or not it happened after a warning.

NS,
-because some of us put up basis -- then add info later. Quit being a troll.
-one of the points is that only 2 lackeys were warned, NOT the ring leader (Chariot of Fire) or other part of the "gang of 5-7".
-and I don't think a warning is severe enough

by **ad10r3tr0** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:07 am

Well good thing your not a C&A moderator then, huh? This is obviously a revenge report.. Can't wait to see the [Closed] button on this..

A little butt-hurt are we there Glg?

by **jefjef** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:16 am

This is a SERIOUS issue. A complaint must be filed with The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3).

by **eddie2** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:18 am

lol this thread is spurious down to the ground let me highlight some info here....

1) chariot of fire was not involved in the last c and a thread brought to you by ir1sh ace.
2) all the info posted was information you had posted on site you also made a c and a report about this at the time..
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=165528
this case was cleared..

king achilles sent us a email because we put a random picture of a person called dh with clown glasses on as our avitar. this was not in breach of privacy rules because this persons image was not from the same area you state you are from. and if it is then anybody posting images of people will need to get a warning.

if c and a and admin are being fair you will now recieve a ban for spurious reports.

by **anonymus** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:42 am

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:PROOF includes:

1)
http://puu.sh/iOX9

2)
Chariot of Fire wrote:
Sorry, in particular to Irish & Eddie, for not having contributed to the thread (either here or in C&A). I have to say that at first, when Eddie kindly PM'd me with details of the allegations that were to be levied against GLG, I couldn't really fathom what proof there was. GLG's comments in chat really count for nothing. There's no requirement to tell the truth and/or to not bluff. So initially my thoughts were that it wouldn't lead to anything. Coupled with this we all know the expression 'once bitten twice shy'. Well, coming on the back of a forum ban for what (to the majority) was the most innocuous of comments I had made, it simply didn't seem worth weighing-in with any ridicule (which is what I feel like typing whenever I read his posts).

I honestly think the best way forward is the threat of a boycott - one which needs to garner support so it has a lot more weight - and the whole issue brought to the attention of Brian Lack via e-mail so he can see for himself how detrimental this reprobate is to the site and in particular those newcomers who he fleeces and deters. Get enough people behind the motion and have each one display a banner of solidarity ("No say, no pay" or something like that, along with a subtle allusion to GLG and his methods).

Came across this recently:

http://www.greatlakes.axa-advisors.com/ ... m?ID=65377

He has the face of someone I'd really entrust with my money as he's married with a couple of boys and just so happens to live in the Midwest timezone. Then again he has the kind of smug face I'd like to cave in. I'm really undecided and can't be too sure (yet) if he is the right person I'd 'entrust with my money'. What do you think?

3)TheGeneral2112
22:01:17 ‹TheGeneral2112› Yea, but I know at least 4 people are using this picture for their avi.
22:01:29 ‹TheGeneral2112› We just need more people.
22:01:33 ‹TheGeneral2112› We need to spread the avi.
22:01:57 ‹TheGeneral2112› But how many are they willing to ban??
22:02:15 ‹TheGeneral2112› Will they ban all 20 of us?
22:02:35 ‹TheGeneral2112› I am willing to risk it to be one of the 20.
. . .
(then posting a Death Notice with names of DH etc.)
22:06:04 ‹TheGeneral2112› I will be treading VERY carefully here.
22:06:14 ‹TheGeneral2112› The only thing they have me on is some live chat comments.
22:06:38 ‹TheGeneral2112› I said my name was Rev John, which is Steven's grandfather.
22:06:48 ‹TheGeneral2112› And I said I was a pastor of the church he was a pastor of.
22:06:59 ‹TheGeneral2112› And I'm sure GLG's face paled.
22:07:30 ‹TheGeneral2112› Yea, I will be careful though.

Proof enough for me. These 5+ have gone TOO far. Warning from KA is not enough.

GLG

well don't you think this will just draw more people to the link revealing your secret identity?
revenge-threads are SO untactful..

/ :?:

by **cookie0117** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:11 am

So GLG are you publishing your personal information on the forum? Or is it not you? Clearly your complaint must hang on the fact that it is you or it not your personal information.

Still a strange way to complain about your personal information being looked at by maybe 5 people, showing it to a whole website.....

I would never have seen the images of that person if you had not thrust them in my face in the most obvious revenge post. Seems a revenge post comes up straight after a complaint against you. The person in the photo looks like the sort who would complain when he get but hurt after be told hes been doing wrong

by **s3xt0y** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:40 am

I have been asked by the CCCW to edit this post because they didn't believe that it was an accurate representation of what actually happened. Thegeneral2112 and COF and eddie2 hunted for glg on google and tried to find him to expose him. Eddie2 DID not post the we have to edit everything topic it was Thegeneral2112. The whole hunt was orcastrated by COF and Thegeneral2112 but eddie2 had a large role in it.

I'm not a fan of how GLG plays or how he flaunts things infront of the mods, but what he is saying here is true. I have seen the search for GLG first hand, saw the malicious attempts to draw him out by posting what at the time the CCCW though was an actual picture of him. They then realized that it wasn't and continued the search. They can all try and save face here because I don't think they actually found him. But they were putting all of their efforts into the area. I think it has to be said here that they were doing it to expose GLG and prove that he didn't have a son. Or that it was his son playing on his account. What hasn't been posted here is the thread from eddie, saying OMG guys we have to delete everything we have found because we have a spy in the CCCW.

s3x - flame away, im not defending him just saying that the CCCW went too far with this one.

by **Johnny Rockets** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:48 am

I find it there is a little too much "closing the barn door after the horse fucks my wife" content in a complaint submitted by someone who used his REAL NAME for YEARS on this site.

Starting a vindictive and petty revenge thread about disclosure of personal information?
You are becoming the black hole of credibility, GLG.

Any punishment handed out to a member that is willing to spend hours gathering evidence to finally stop one of them most negative elements of this site would be a vile miscarriage of justice. Prosecuting COF would only dissuade others from trying to use the legal methods to repair this site to a level of credibility in the spirit of fair play department, something that the administration has sorely neglected.

This complaint should be dismissed immediately, with a warning given to the OP for posting a spurious C&A report generated malice and spite, and thus wasting the mods valuable time better spent warning and punishing REAL rule breaking individuals.
( Like this guy: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=167344

Johnny Rockets

by **Bruceswar** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:52 am

It is one thing to gather evidence. It is another thing to gather personal info. The 2 are totally different. Look around all you want on CC for info, but when you take it to google and other places to start looking for info that goes beyond evidence.

by **owenshooter** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:01 am

eh.. when someone uses their real name as their username, i don't think you can complain about anyone finding info on you.. the mods are vigorous in punishing anyone that says that original username, what more do you want. also, i agree with bruce...-el Jesus negro

by **eddie2** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:22 am

s3xt0y wrote: eddie, saying OMG guys we have to delete everything we have found because we have a spy in the CCCW.

s3x - flame away, im not defending him just saying that the CCCW went too far with this one.

do you want to go back and correct this statement mate i did not post this thread or even edit any of my posts like the player who did do this...
but can i say 1 thing i agree me and general2121 got carried away (due to glg baiting us in live chat.)and got a warning to stop from king achilles also a pm from grifftron (group leader) telling us to stop or we would be removed from the group. no other member of the group was involved in this and no member carried it on after the warning... So all this stuff is pre warning from king achilles and not 1 bit of the evidence brought forward in this case is after that warning to stop... and if you have a look at the group page you will see this s3x.

also what i find interesting is that the pm used in this thread was not sent to glg and i did not give him a screen shot of it.. so how did he get this i can only guess he entered one of our account to do this which is against site rules.

by **jgordon1111** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:28 am

This is becoming insane.

First off GLG dammit quit complaining about personal info,someone as smart as you should have known better than to use your real name to begin with.

Second did they post it outside the cccw? If not you havent a leg to stand on. The internet is built and has specific sites where you can find info on anyone. So as a group they looked,if they found anything they kept it within the group.

I remember a case (IR) that info was posted for all to see because she blatantly lied. The OP received a ban because everyone got to see the proof.

You just brought this out in the open yourself and posted the info you claim you dont want anyone to know.

Until now CCCW and KA possibly was the only ones with this info.

So with that in mind you also need to receive the same punishment if any that the others get.

Being spiteful is not cool,if all of you had dropped this craziness long ago, None of you would still be calling each other out. Again

by **hmsps** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:47 am

s3xt0y wrote:I'm not a fan of how GLG plays or how he flaunts things infront of the mods, but what he is saying here is true. I have seen the search for GLG first hand, saw the malicious attempts to draw him out by posting what at the time the CCCW though was an actual picture of him. They then realized that it wasn't and continued the search. They can all try and save face here because I don't think they actually found him. But they were putting all of their efforts into the area. I think it has to be said here that they were doing it to expose GLG and prove that he didn't have a son. Or that it was his son playing on his account. What hasn't been posted here is the thread from eddie, saying OMG guys we have to delete everything we have found because we have a spy in the CCCW.

s3x - flame away, im not defending him just saying that the CCCW went too far with this one.

The report is spurious. I am not saying that what you are saying is untrue but the individuals involved have already been warned for their actions so to bring it up in a C & A thread months later because GLG has been warned is just a little childish.

I have no doubt GLG changed his name because of the personal info angle but when he was DH he was getting a lot of heat at that time for his gameplay also so changing his name when he did for whatever reason meant that he could basically start again.

GLG comes across as an intelligent individual so why on earth he used his real name in the first place is beyond me. Maybe he likes the sound of it too much!!!!

by **IR1SH ACE** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:27 am

wow what a week...we had a big family move so CC has taken a back seat for last week/two only just caught up on the Umpteenth GLG C&A case on Friday night............Gen.LeeGettinhed [warned] nice to see it finally acknowledged by the admins that you are a cheat...

As for your customary revenge/vindictive counter C&A case, Im sure it will be closed just like last time...IR1SH ACE and eddie2 - privacy [cleared]

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:Accused:

Chariot of Fire
eddie2
TheGeneral2112
IR1SH ACE
QoH
AndOthers

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Using CC site to collect and post attempts at digging up PERSONAL information about other CC players

Game number(s): Not in Games, in CCCW Clan site, etc.

Comments:
CC admin has been advised that at least five current or past members of CCCW (those named above +/-) had used CC site to:
-coordinate digging up of PERSONAL data on DH across the internet, etc.
-posting DH related information (hoping it was the right DH -- including Picture[s] and even a death notice)
-supposedly directed by Chariot of Fire, carried out by eddie2 (and others) posted by several of the accused
-KA cc'd me on a warning to two (2) of those involved, but to the best of my knowledge NOT the king-pin Chariot of Fire

seems like you have just lumped all of us into what was the action of two members on this site and as far as i can see they already received a warning from KA to stop what they were doing...thanks for the link.....

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:PROOF includes:

1)
http://puu.sh/iOX9

there was some venting went on by a few members of the CCCW after this case...Will the Real Gen.LeeGettinhed please stand up![CLEARED] and two members in particular went a bit far with it as far as I was concerned but Im not here to babysit anyone and it was all in a private user group so whatever and they were both warned and stopped and removed all content from the private forum...so it was dealt with...

the rest of your accusation is all just BS....this is twice you have opened a C&A case with my name as an accused and both times had no evidence to show that I have done anything against site rules and can only assume you are trying to Bait/Flame/Troll me and would ask the mods to give a well deserved ban to the OP.....

I would also like to know how GLG has a message sent by KA to eddie2 and thegeneral....also were you got this quote from CoF..

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:PROOF includes:
2)
Chariot of Fire wrote:
Sorry, in particular to Irish & Eddie, for not having contributed to the thread (either here or in C&A). I have to say that at first, when Eddie kindly PM'd me with details of the allegations that were to be levied against GLG, I couldn't really fathom what proof there was. GLG's comments in chat really count for nothing. There's no requirement to tell the truth and/or to not bluff. So initially my thoughts were that it wouldn't lead to anything. Coupled with this we all know the expression 'once bitten twice shy'. Well, coming on the back of a forum ban for what (to the majority) was the most innocuous of comments I had made, it simply didn't seem worth weighing-in with any ridicule (which is what I feel like typing whenever I read his posts).

I honestly think the best way forward is the threat of a boycott - one which needs to garner support so it has a lot more weight - and the whole issue brought to the attention of Brian Lack via e-mail so he can see for himself how detrimental this reprobate is to the site and in particular those newcomers who he fleeces and deters. Get enough people behind the motion and have each one display a banner of solidarity ("No say, no pay" or something like that, along with a subtle allusion to GLG and his methods).

Came across this recently:

http://www.greatlakes.axa-advisors.com/ ... m?ID=65377

He has the face of someone I'd really entrust with my money as he's married with a couple of boys and just so happens to live in the Midwest timezone. Then again he has the kind of smug face I'd like to cave in. I'm really undecided and can't be too sure (yet) if he is the right person I'd 'entrust with my money'. What do you think?

this was posted in the private forum of the CCCW here...........link wont work if ur not in CCCW

and as far as I know GLG is not in the CCCW, so where did you get it from?

by **jgordon1111** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:20 am

Might as well give up how you got it GLG, I think alot of players are interested in that one particular point.

Then again that was private info between them,not to be let out into general public.

So I believe someone else might be in the ringer for letting out a social clubs private info and thoughts.

Now will all of you stop this crap let it be where its at.

One ban COF

One warning GLG.

Isnt that enough for everyone. Its even.

by **Denise** on Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:31 pm

Night Strike wrote:Talk about a vengeance thread.

Where are the actual infractions? You've posted accusations, not evidence. If it happened in a private clan forum, then posting it in C&A accomplishes nothing.

+1 Nothing was posted publicly. It's unfortunate that that you didn't follow that example with your temper tantrum.