Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life! [2/16] Endgame: Pirates Win!

[DoomYoshi]

This is really annoying.

This entire thing is based on:
1)VS being roleblocked, which there is no evidence for
2) there being no mafia kill, which there is no evidence for

So now, I am going to have the spend the next 14 days RL fighting against ghost for a case that he is sure is right even though it's based on nothing. I don't wanna do this. Sucks the fun out of the game.

vote doom

Kill me now.

PS: there is no reason isaiah wouldn't have shown up. That is just bs.

[ghostly447]

This is really annoying.

This entire thing is based on:
1)VS being roleblocked, which there is no evidence for
2) there being no mafia kill, which there is no evidence for

So now, I am going to have the spend the next 14 days RL fighting against ghost for a case that he is sure is right even though it's based on nothing. I don't wanna do this. Sucks the fun out of the game.

vote doom

Kill me now.

PS: there is no reason isaiah wouldn't have shown up. That is just bs.

So wait I walked you through every possible step which would lead directly to ng being a role blocker and therefore him and clever being potential Mafia and you don't think it is possible? I didn't say for sure and there is no way it can be for sure. But there are 3 potential kills each night and there were only 2 until this past night. It is possible I am completely wrong about it. You say my assumptions are getting crazy or whatnot but your completely assuming I have put these things in stone.

[new guy1]

A JOAT was killed, not a vig. Therefore, there should not be 3 kills a night, only two. You don't know that the JOAT killed last night and so there is no reason u should think someone missed their kills. If u need me to explain further I will.

[Nebuchadnezer]

A JOAT was killed, not a vig. Therefore, there should not be 3 kills a night, only two. You don't know that the JOAT killed last night and so there is no reason u should think someone missed their kills. If u need me to explain further I will.

Wrong. The mod clearly states that the joat saved someone then got killed. Along with third party death, that makes three kill attempts. One from third party. One from mafia. One from???? (vigilante?)

[ghostly447]

A JOAT was killed, not a vig. Therefore, there should not be 3 kills a night, only two. You don't know that the JOAT killed last night and so there is no reason u should think someone missed their kills. If u need me to explain further I will.

vig=SK In my past posts. 3 potential night kills and any given night and there were 2. Could be defended any multitude of ways and I noticed it as soon as I said it

[Nebuchadnezer]

This is really annoying.

This entire thing is based on:
1)VS being roleblocked, which there is no evidence for
2) there being no mafia kill, which there is no evidence for

So now, I am going to have the spend the next 14 days RL fighting against ghost for a case that he is sure is right even though it's based on nothing. I don't wanna do this. Sucks the fun out of the game.

vote doom

Kill me now.

PS: there is no reason isaiah wouldn't have shown up. That is just bs.

I love it when players try to use this angle....reeks of mafia. Thanks for making that target bigger dumbyoshi...

[Nebuchadnezer]

Darn auto correct...Doomyoshi...

[new guy1]

Ahh. I just read the scene again and got it. Before I was (obviously) a little confused. Your logic makes sense.

[jak111]

Okay, just got home from school, and I want to point out that most of the past 2 pages are complete and utter Bullsh*t. Let me point out a few things. If any of you try to read past this post and start up again with more bs or I will not even kid you, I will find whatever I can on you and I will vote for you, so please, be quiet, read this, and if you don't bother, don't bother speaking anymore.

We have a Godfather and a Framer dead on the Mafia team. We have a Serial Killer dead of the 3rd party team. We have a Doctor and a JOAT dead of our team.

There are 2 kills each night. So for the first night I assume a Leehar (mafia) killed CMS (Town Doc), and Jonty (SK) killed Leehar (mafia).

The second night Jonty (SK) died and so did Kiwi (JOAT) So I assume a mafia killed Jonty, and Jonty killed Kiwi. (Judging from the scene).

Now, everyone is pinning the blame on New Guy, Doom, and VS. So let me defend them as much as possible since ghostly is just now flipping sh*t when he didn't do nothing for us yesterday when we had VS close to a lynch.

For Doom: He was blocked by CLEVER (not very clever -.-) who is agreeing with everyone on the 3 cases. He himself should realize that he blocked Doom, so either Doom is town or he wasn't one to do the killing last night.

For Newguy: He visited VS and VS is still very alive and well yet you are all jumping on the gun that he is a mafia. Where the hell did that come from?

For VS: Not much I can say besides his name is claimed and no one else counter claimed parrot, though I think I'd like a role claim from him within the next day or so.

So now lets look at Claims so far.

1. SPARTACUS1974 - ???
3. isaiah40 - Tracker
4. thehippo8 - ???
5. Victor Sullivan - Parrot, unknown role. (Tracked by isaiah, said to not visit anyone, VT? Mason?)
6. Some7hingCLEVER - Roleblocker (Pretty much confirmed, not sure if mafia or town alignment)
7. TeeGee - ???
8. new guy1 - (Some sort of power role)
9. ghostly447 - Ship Rigger, Watcher
11. DoomYoshi - ??? (Blocked but might've not made the night kill last night)
14. jak111 - Claims Mason (if you guys never caught onto that you were probably out of your minds).
16. Nebuchadnezer - ???

Ok, so from this information, I can confirm Ghostly's role with this simple quote from New Guy.

I will not claim on a whim of yours. There is no logical reason for you to believe that I am mafia. Why would you think im mafia if VS isnt dead. What support do you have to go off of that anything I did affected him last night?

Fastposted- ninja role? Lol

So he admits to visiting VS, but since VS is not dead it proves that while he did visit VS he is not a killer.


Now that I got the clearances I can from it all, I do have a few questions myself.
1.) Can anyone counter claim what has been claimed?
2.) Where did the VS being blocked come from? Is someone stepping up and claiming ANOTHER roleblocker?
3.) Can Doom, Neb, Teegee, or thehippo contribute their roles to anything that they've found out?
4.) Can everyone shut up and just relax for a moment instead of jumping the gun so quickly? You all act like little kids pointing your fingers at each other with little to NO evidence of what you're suggesting or pulling info out of your *ss...

[Victor Sullivan]

I was not roleblocked. I chose not to use my action. I think there was a mafia kill - the mafia killed the SK. I would be surprised if we had a vig.

And let's get a handle on things. We clearly have a discrepancy here:

Isaiah, you are lying unless the watcher only gets to see 1 person who visited.

I claim Watcher, Ship Rigger.

I watched CM5 night 1, and knew Leehar visited. I stayed low on D2 to avoid being NK'ed. Last night I watch Mr. Victor Sullivan, and New guy1 is the one who visited him. I suspect New guy1 to be mafia (based on what Sully says he got, etc) and I beleive Isaiah to be third party, or a terrible town player.

So, Sully, claim. New guy1, claim. FOS Isaiah and I will prepare to vote the scummiest of you guys.

I think the decision is pretty clear here: vote isaiah

While isaiah was correct when he said I didn't go anywhere, I wonder if perhaps new guy1 is a mafia member along with isaiah, with him perhaps being the Mafia Tracker? It's speculation, obviously, but we need to lynch isaiah40 or new guy1 today. With that information (along with Night 3 information) we can go from there Day 4.

-Sully

[jak111]

I was not roleblocked. I chose not to use my action. I think there was a mafia kill - the mafia killed the SK. I would be surprised if we had a vig.

And let's get a handle on things. We clearly have a discrepancy here:

Isaiah, you are lying unless the watcher only gets to see 1 person who visited.

I claim Watcher, Ship Rigger.

I watched CM5 night 1, and knew Leehar visited. I stayed low on D2 to avoid being NK'ed. Last night I watch Mr. Victor Sullivan, and New guy1 is the one who visited him. I suspect New guy1 to be mafia (based on what Sully says he got, etc) and I beleive Isaiah to be third party, or a terrible town player.

So, Sully, claim. New guy1, claim. FOS Isaiah and I will prepare to vote the scummiest of you guys.

I think the decision is pretty clear here: vote isaiah

While isaiah was correct when he said I didn't go anywhere, I wonder if perhaps new guy1 is a mafia member along with isaiah, with him perhaps being the Mafia Tracker? It's speculation, obviously, but we need to lynch isaiah40 or new guy1 today. With that information (along with Night 3 information) we can go from there Day 4.

-Sully

You know... If Isaiah pops up mafia, you're going to be one of my suspects, right? Though as far as killing wise goes it sounds like we have a 2nd SK. (rare but can happen) Because there was an increase last night, even though the scene wasn't very clear someone walked away from that that shouldn't have. If the JOAT protected the SK like the scene describes, then he shouldn't have died. So I'm not going to go 100% off the scene neither. >.<. It could be 2 SK's or 2 mafia kills out of 3 possible ones last night added to the one of the other...

[isaiah40]

While isaiah was correct when he said I didn't go anywhere, I wonder if perhaps new guy1 is a mafia member along with isaiah, with him perhaps being the Mafia Tracker? It's speculation, obviously, but we need to lynch isaiah40 or new guy1 today. With that information (along with Night 3 information) we can go from there Day 4.

-Sully

Well since you now believe that I am who I say am concerning my role, I think you need to pressure NG1 more on what exactly his role is. FOS still on Sully. IMO we need to either lynch Sully or NG1 today. I'm going to wait a while before I place my vote to see what other info comes to light.

[Victor Sullivan]

While isaiah was correct when he said I didn't go anywhere, I wonder if perhaps new guy1 is a mafia member along with isaiah, with him perhaps being the Mafia Tracker? It's speculation, obviously, but we need to lynch isaiah40 or new guy1 today. With that information (along with Night 3 information) we can go from there Day 4.

-Sully

Well since you now believe that I am who I say am concerning my role, I think you need to pressure NG1 more on what exactly his role is. FOS still on Sully. IMO we need to either lynch Sully or NG1 today. I'm going to wait a while before I place my vote to see what other info comes to light.

That still doesn't explain why ghostly didn't see you when he watched me.

-Sully

[Some7hingCLEVER]

While isaiah was correct when he said I didn't go anywhere, I wonder if perhaps new guy1 is a mafia member along with isaiah, with him perhaps being the Mafia Tracker? It's speculation, obviously, but we need to lynch isaiah40 or new guy1 today. With that information (along with Night 3 information) we can go from there Day 4.

-Sully

Well since you now believe that I am who I say am concerning my role, I think you need to pressure NG1 more on what exactly his role is. FOS still on Sully. IMO we need to either lynch Sully or NG1 today. I'm going to wait a while before I place my vote to see what other info comes to light.

That still doesn't explain why ghostly didn't see you when he watched me.

-Sully

does a watcher watch to see who visited or watch to see who they visited

[thehippo8]

I was not roleblocked. I chose not to use my action. I think there was a mafia kill - the mafia killed the SK. I would be surprised if we had a vig.

And let's get a handle on things. We clearly have a discrepancy here:

Isaiah, you are lying unless the watcher only gets to see 1 person who visited.

I claim Watcher, Ship Rigger.

I watched CM5 night 1, and knew Leehar visited. I stayed low on D2 to avoid being NK'ed. Last night I watch Mr. Victor Sullivan, and New guy1 is the one who visited him. I suspect New guy1 to be mafia (based on what Sully says he got, etc) and I beleive Isaiah to be third party, or a terrible town player.

So, Sully, claim. New guy1, claim. FOS Isaiah and I will prepare to vote the scummiest of you guys.

I think the decision is pretty clear here: vote isaiah

While isaiah was correct when he said I didn't go anywhere, I wonder if perhaps new guy1 is a mafia member along with isaiah, with him perhaps being the Mafia Tracker? It's speculation, obviously, but we need to lynch isaiah40 or new guy1 today. With that information (along with Night 3 information) we can go from there Day 4.

-Sully

I hear the parrot squawk! He didn't use his power last night but I reckon he's giving us his result from night one. Only one option available, vote Isaiah

[soundman]

Clarification: It is my belief that Trackers do not show up for Watchers and Watchers do not show up for other Watchers. If this is not correct mafia mechanics then I'll change it. I've never run into that sort of situation in any of my games so I assumed that's how it worked. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Vote count will be up when I get home. You guys posted a lot in just a few hours.

[isaiah40]

So question Sully and hippo, are you willing to have mafia have a man advantage going into tonight? If so then I'll take one for town, and possible have you go "oh *****, we made a mistake."

Make no mistake about it, I am town. So really there is no other option vote NG1!

[thehippo8]

So question Sully and hippo, are you willing to have mafia have a man advantage going into tonight? If so then I'll take one for town, and possible have you go "oh *****, we made a mistake."

Make no mistake about it, I am town. So really there is no other option vote NG1!

You know ... what you say has a ring of truth about it, particularly after the mods comment. So, maybe Sully can persuade me otherwise, but for now I'm running with you being town. So unvote vote NG1. This is not my usual fickleness but when a mod tips the game like that I cannot ignore him!

[DoomYoshi]

I didn't say for sure and there is no way it can be for sure.

So because you didn't say "for sure" it means that you are not going to hound me for the rest of my life?

So, Sully, claim. New guy1, claim.

This is not a wishy-washy statement. This is saying claim, for sure.

Turns out Victor wasn't roleblocked. You made that up! Why do you always make shit up and try to spin a mafia case on me?

The entire point was bs. Even if you were right and new guy was a mafia roleblocker and I am the mafia godfather, you arrived at that point by hallucinating, which sucks the fun out of it for me. Anyways, I am calmed down now. The mod intervention was weird to say the least.

@soundman: the watcher/tracker should work based on targeting. If a player is targetting another player the result turns up. For instance, if a tracker had targetted the watcher, then he would still get results, right? It doesn't make sense to do it the other way. I will wait on your next batch of information before I set a vote.

Clever, once again, why did you roleblock me?

[new guy1]

So question Sully and hippo, are you willing to have mafia have a man advantage going into tonight? If so then I'll take one for town, and possible have you go "oh *****, we made a mistake."

Make no mistake about it, I am town. So really there is no other option vote NG1!

You know ... what you say has a ring of truth about it, particularly after the mods comment. So, maybe Sully can persuade me otherwise, but for now I'm running with you being town. So unvote vote NG1. This is not my usual fickleness but when a mod tips the game like that I cannot ignore him!

Im sorry, this has no ring to it. It is basically saying "the mod says we wouldnt see each other, therefore there is absolutly no way I can make this up, vote other guy to get my nuts off the fire".

[Nebuchadnezer]

Okay, just got home from school, and I want to point out that most of the past 2 pages are complete and utter Bullsh*t. Let me point out a few things. If any of you try to read past this post and start up again with more bs or I will not even kid you, I will find whatever I can on you and I will vote for you, so please, be quiet, read this, and if you don't bother, don't bother speaking anymore.

We have a Godfather and a Framer dead on the Mafia team. We have a Serial Killer dead of the 3rd party team. We have a Doctor and a JOAT dead of our team.

There are 2 kills each night. So for the first night I assume a Leehar (mafia) killed CMS (Town Doc), and Jonty (SK) killed Leehar (mafia).

I thought the scene was clear that the JOAT used his saving ability last night. He saved someone, who was targeted as a kill. Also, the third party died. Also, the JOAT was killed. That adds up to three attacks to me. Evidence points to a vig on the loose. I would plea with the vig to NOT perform any more night kills due to the odds that he'll hit town.

The second night Jonty (SK) died and so did Kiwi (JOAT) So I assume a mafia killed Jonty, and Jonty killed Kiwi. (Judging from the scene).

Wrong again. Please reread the scene. There were two shots (vig? and mafia). Kiwi (who was shot) saved someone first (who was knifed by the third party). Kiwi was shot. The third party was shot. The scene is quite clear on this. There has to be a vig. My bet is the vig shot Kiwi, and (s)he was on the unpopular list and looking a bit scummy.

Now, everyone is pinning the blame on New Guy, Doom, and VS. So let me defend them as much as possible since ghostly is just now flipping sh*t when he didn't do nothing for us yesterday when we had VS close to a lynch.

For Doom: He was blocked by CLEVER (not very clever -.-) who is agreeing with everyone on the 3 cases. He himself should realize that he blocked Doom, so either Doom is town or he wasn't one to do the killing last night.

For Newguy: He visited VS and VS is still very alive and well yet you are all jumping on the gun that he is a mafia. Where the hell did that come from?

For VS: Not much I can say besides his name is claimed and no one else counter claimed parrot, though I think I'd like a role claim from him within the next day or so.

So now lets look at Claims so far.

1. SPARTACUS1974 - ???
3. isaiah40 - Tracker
4. thehippo8 - ???
5. Victor Sullivan - Parrot, unknown role. (Tracked by isaiah, said to not visit anyone, VT? Mason?)
6. Some7hingCLEVER - Roleblocker (Pretty much confirmed, not sure if mafia or town alignment)
7. TeeGee - ???
8. new guy1 - (Some sort of power role)
9. ghostly447 - Ship Rigger, Watcher
11. DoomYoshi - ??? (Blocked but might've not made the night kill last night)
14. jak111 - Claims Mason (if you guys never caught onto that you were probably out of your minds).
16. Nebuchadnezer - ???

Ok, so from this information, I can confirm Ghostly's role with this simple quote from New Guy.

I will not claim on a whim of yours. There is no logical reason for you to believe that I am mafia. Why would you think im mafia if VS isnt dead. What support do you have to go off of that anything I did affected him last night?

Fastposted- ninja role? Lol

So he admits to visiting VS, but since VS is not dead it proves that while he did visit VS he is not a killer.


Now that I got the clearances I can from it all, I do have a few questions myself.
1.) Can anyone counter claim what has been claimed?
2.) Where did the VS being blocked come from? Is someone stepping up and claiming ANOTHER roleblocker?
3.) Can Doom, Neb, Teegee, or thehippo contribute their roles to anything that they've found out?
4.) Can everyone shut up and just relax for a moment instead of jumping the gun so quickly? You all act like little kids pointing your fingers at each other with little to NO evidence of what you're suggesting or pulling info out of your *ss...

I do agree with most of your list. My prime suspects are:

1. Doomyoshi - Huge OMGUS for being suspected.
2. newguy1 - power role, but no idea what. Almost guaranteed he is not the Vig, as he visited Sully, who was watched, and was the only one to visit Sully (i.e., the JOAT did not save Sully).
3. theHippo - Huge unknown...
4. Victor Sullivan - some kind of power role that he can choose when to use.
5. Some7hing CLEVER - roleblocker...but town? Most likely.
6. Nebuchadnezer - I'm a bit of an unknown, so I put myself here for the benefit of the town.
7. SPARTACUS - unknown role
8. TeeGee - unknown role, very quiet.

Based on evidence, what has been presented and my deductions, I would be willing to vote for Doomyoshi. Given his "OMGUS" on being pointed at by ghostly, I'm inclined to, at the very least pressure him for a claim. And also willing to lynch him. However, I'm also open to theHippo and newguy1 as most likely mafia. Also, one of these three is the Vig...so, if one of you three want to save us some time, please claim.

[thehippo8]

@Neb - It's ttaken me a while to understand both what you were actually saying (thanks for clarifying that) and why it is not a reasonable inference from the known facts. We know that there were two kills. We know the JOAT tried to save someone. What we don't know is whether the person that the JOAT tried to save was attacked. In any game powers are used without knowing for sure what the result would be. For instance, if person A saved person B and person A was busdriven by person C then person A would save person D. If person B was attacked then person A is no longer saving them. Similarly, if person A is saving person B but person B isn't attacked then all the JOAT would know is that they had saved person B. Person B wouldn't know whether they were attacked or not, or even that they weresaved unless person A told us what they did. So, that takes us back to a question of whther there werre actually only two kills, not three. Hope that makes sense, but I appreciate that it doesn't really help us. I still think the better question is not how many kills there were or weren't but rather why there is more than one night kill in the first place!

[jak111]

Hmm, I do not believe New Guy is the vig since he visited Sully. Neither do I believe him a mafia KILLER since Sully is obviously not dead. However, my guesses can be countered if the JOAT in fact saved Sully?

As for Doom, he was blocked. He did not fire a round last night or knife anyone. So this alone makes him not 3rd party or vig. But he may be a non killing mafia?

TheHippo, well besides criticism, there is not much info good or bad about him, which in my eyes stand out that we either need him to squawk or walk the plank.

Out of these 3 options Neb gives, I'd be more willing to pressure Hippo at this moment than the rest (not saying I wouldn't pressure them at all, just he stands out more). Though Neb, you must see this from my prospective that you do not look innocent yourself. We do not know much about you though hopefully if you're town you can help us out over this day. We CANNOT afford to go another day without a lynch. There may be either 1-2 killers left out there (depends if the vig... if we have one... decides to kill). Also looking at the statistics, 2 mafia are left. We've only killed 2 and 1 SK is dead. Which means if there's 4 mafia it's a fair 4:1 ratio in favor of town.

Also quickpost Hippo... You're logic of bus driving is COMPLETELY off. Let me break it down to you since in my first game I was a bus driver.

In this example let person 'A' be the bus driver, let person 'B' be a VT, let person 'C' be another VT, and let person 'D' be a mafia killer, let person 'E' be a Doctor
If person A switches B and C and D attacks B or C the opposite dies. While if D attacks A, A dies.
If person A switches B or C with D and D attacks that switched person D dies. If D attacks A, A dies.
If person A switches B or C with E, while E protects the unswitched player and D attacks this unswitched player, they are safe because they were not changed.

Well to clarify the whole example up, If a joat is bus driven he does not protect someone else unless he is bus driven with the person he chose or his chosen target was bus driven. But if he himself is bus driven it does not effect what his action does. So your person D is totally impossible for this case since the JOAT died, if whoever he chosen was bus driven with him he would not have.

Mind you there are ways D can be affected but not by the way you're using it in your example Hippo. Unless you wish to begin claiming, major FoS on you.

[DoomYoshi]

Neb, most of my reaction carried over from a previous game. I realize that was totally unprofessional and I just made an ass of myself, but that's how it happens sometimes.

[thehippo8]

Hmm, I do not believe New Guy is the vig since he visited Sully. Neither do I believe him a mafia KILLER since Sully is obviously not dead. However, my guesses can be countered if the JOAT in fact saved Sully?

As for Doom, he was blocked. He did not fire a round last night or knife anyone. So this alone makes him not 3rd party or vig. But he may be a non killing mafia?

TheHippo, well besides criticism, there is not much info good or bad about him, which in my eyes stand out that we either need him to squawk or walk the plank.

Out of these 3 options Neb gives, I'd be more willing to pressure Hippo at this moment than the rest (not saying I wouldn't pressure them at all, just he stands out more). Though Neb, you must see this from my prospective that you do not look innocent yourself. We do not know much about you though hopefully if you're town you can help us out over this day. We CANNOT afford to go another day without a lynch. There may be either 1-2 killers left out there (depends if the vig... if we have one... decides to kill). Also looking at the statistics, 2 mafia are left. We've only killed 2 and 1 SK is dead. Which means if there's 4 mafia it's a fair 4:1 ratio in favor of town.

Also quickpost Hippo... You're logic of bus driving is COMPLETELY off. Let me break it down to you since in my first game I was a bus driver.

In this example let person 'A' be the bus driver, let person 'B' be a VT, let person 'C' be another VT, and let person 'D' be a mafia killer, let person 'E' be a Doctor
If person A switches B and C and D attacks B or C the opposite dies. While if D attacks A, A dies.
If person A switches B or C with D and D attacks that switched person D dies. If D attacks A, A dies.
If person A switches B or C with E, while E protects the unswitched player and D attacks this unswitched player, they are safe because they were not changed.

Well to clarify the whole example up, If a joat is bus driven he does not protect someone else unless he is bus driven with the person he chose or his chosen target was bus driven. But if he himself is bus driven it does not effect what his action does. So your person D is totally impossible for this case since the JOAT died, if whoever he chosen was bus driven with him he would not have.

Mind you there are ways D can be affected but not by the way you're using it in your example Hippo. Unless you wish to begin claiming, major FoS on you.

Hi jaks, seems that were saying the same thing - my point wasn't about the logic puzzle but about the fact that w can't say that there was three killers on the information we have. In fact, there may be three or more killers - but we simply don't have enough information.

As to your suggestion I start claiming, I'm happy to fill in the gaps if enough people want me to but I can assure you I am not scum. I'd rather we continued to search for a valid case than pressure for pressuring sake. But if you want to pressure for pressuring sake, TeeGee could do with a rev up!!