Gen.LeeGettinhed [warned]

[Chariot of Fire]

Accused:

Gen.LeeGettinhed

The accused is suspected of:

Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.



Game number(s):

Far too numerous to list (1,003 at the last count). Just search GLG 1v1 games for a complete picture.


Comments:

Lots of comments. These are replies from players he has deceived. Players such as you and I who comprise 99.9% of everyone on this site who simply want to come on here, play a fair game, and hope that everyone else abides by the same code of conduct.

The question to these respondents was whether they felt abused. Well they do, hence this subject deserves a new C&A report to draw attention to just how many people GLG has disenfranchised from a seemingly innocent and fair game site.

Please bear in mind these responses are from players who comprise just one page out of 14 who GLG has played at 1v1.

Can you honestly say that this person is beneficial in any way to this site?

Sent: Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:39 pm
From: n11cod
To: Chariot of Fire

Hi friend,
I remember it well, I was invited out of the blue to play the game. I had no idea what I was doing but he did come across all friendly and at the end did give a few pointers. However it was clear from minute one that I was not going to stand a chance. I was drawn into it, I should have declined but you do feel some what humbled when asked to play.
I know this kind of thing goes on, it's happened before, it does make a mockery of the point scoring system and leader board, I now take no notice of it for that reason.
I would like to think that something could be done about it but can't see what.
In answer you your question, I do see myself as a victim.
Let me know your thought.
Cheers mate

Sent: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:36 pm
From: MajorThom
To: Chariot of Fire

Yeah I fell for a speed game on a strange board. he did join me for another game but then he was off. I also checked his board and noticed he played lots of 1 to 1's presumably to get points. In fact, when I asked him if he wanted to partner he declined because he said,"I am looking to collect points." Does nt really seem fair.

Sent: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:31 pm
From: Watson Herbusch
To: Chariot of Fire

Definitely was a victim - he PM'd me for a speed game and then set up a very strange map/rules.

Pathetic tactic to get a higher rank, if you ask me.

Thanks for looking into this.

Sent: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:52 pm
From: Abyss24
To: Chariot of Fire

Thanks for contacting me Simon,

My feeling is that although it strikes me as boring and a waste of time, if he wants to play like this just to get points, I'm not sure if it's worth trying to stop him. As for the multi-hunter stalling tactics, lol, again, bogus, but if this is how he chooses to spend his time, so be it. Eventually he will tire of this foolishness and either stop playing or start playing real games. Nevertheless, it is bad for the site, and I am willing to help you try to stop it.

There are so many cheap tactics on CC: broken truces, hitting the space bar one hundred times to "push down" the chat so other players cannot see negotiations that have occurred, and the list goes on. Personally, I have determined that I will only play doubles 2v2 and triples games going forward, there are just to many unpleasant aspects consistently involved with standard games. I complained to a mod about the "pushed down" chat thing (something I normally wouldn't bother with but this particular player was so ridiculous in general that I felt it necessary) and he said it was fine/within the rules so . . .

Should General Lee be stopped? Probably. I'm not sure what you would like me to do, but sure, it is bogus and bad for the site, so if you want my assistance, let me know what you want me to do.

Take care,

Sent: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:46 pm
From: kk4travel
To: Chariot of Fire

I did not know that map or have strategy. But, I am pretty sure that I joined the speed game on my own. And, I only lost 5 points because I was horrible! I do NOT agree with his strategy or game play at all. Plus, if he really is a WINNER...it can't feel good to know that you get your rating by preying on other people and skirting the system.

I guess that I just play for fun. But, this makes me really think about all of the times that I get invites from high ranked players.

Maybe players of high rank should only be allowed to invite people so many levels below them. Lower level players could be allowed to invite any rank at their discretion. Not sure if that would work or not. Just an idea.

Sent: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:44 pm
From: northeastern
To: Chariot of Fire

I agree with you 100% Id like to see this sort of thing not happen.

Sent: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:42 am
From: Nite_Shadow
To: Chariot of Fire

i was sent a pm that asked if i wanted to play a speed game from gen.leegettinhed. i played and lost pretty quick but i knew he was way higher lvl than me and i didn't have to play the game you can always decline i played another with him when his friend lanyards sent a separate pm we played a doubles speed game. lost that one too but i didn't really expect to win either game. that sucks he is "ranching" new players to improve his score and does kinda ruin the leader board but people don't have to accept the invites. i always look at the rank of people before joining a game. maybe send a welcome pm to all new players with a warning to play within two or three of their rank so they don't get farmed or something. thanks for sending out the "tricked or treated" message im going to forward it to my friends =)

Sent: Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:55 am
From: explor31
To: Chariot of Fire

He does go and find much lower ranked players and under the guise of teaching them, beats them , gets a few points, and waits for his next victim.

I went and joined him in the chat room after my beat down. He really didn't teach me much. I already knew how to play, he just surprised me with the map and game settings. City Mogul on freestyle 1v1 is almost all about speed and experience. Anyway, I played him a couple of days later on doubles. His partner was lanyards, that was a beat down as well. I had a partner that I had never played with and he had never even played that map. So, we were doomed before we even started.

Back to some of your initial questions.

Does this change my opinion of the Leaderboard? Only in regards to the Conqueror... He wins cheaply and without honor. Eventually, people will learn and boot him out. He won't be able to get any games and will have to play against some hard competition. Besides mc, Blitz, braddy, kiron - or anybody will catch him.

How did he contact me? He sent me a message. Direct to my wall. He said something about Alabama football (one of my passions, as you can see by my avatar). He played like he was a fan, but after a few questions, I realized that he really didn't know anything about them....

I don't know if there's really anything that can be done about it. Like you said, he is within the rules.... But, he is some what of a bully. Like a 20 year old picking on a bunch of 5 year olds. He is with out honor though. I can't believe he can live with himself. He's gotten to the top by duping people and getting cheap victories.

He probably wouldn't even play me now... I'm too high of a rank for him.... haha

Hope this helps. explor31

Sent: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:03 am
From: ComposerNate
To: Chariot of Fire

Hi.
They gave all the freemiums 3 free speed games and GLG sent me a pm asking for a game, so I said sure. I don't know where he got me, I don't think I was chatting or anything. Also, it was a map I've played before, but haven't won a game on (city mogul). I generally don't play freestyle, I think it's an interesting idea but somewhat unfair in this setting since people will have different refresh rates etc. Anyway, I agreed to play expecting to lose, thinking maybe I'll get a few strategy tips. It doesn't bother me too much that he does this. I'm aware that a lot of the people on the first page of the leader board do similar things, and I think it's lame that they're more concerned about their position there than they are about playing an enjoyable, competitive game. I'm proud of my position and I think I'm a good player, though it's taking me a while to move up since I'm a freemium and I mostly play no spoils!
The harassment of the guy who was beating him is a more serious issue, and I would like to see something done about that.
To sum up: I wasn't duped into it, but I can see how others were, and it's ok with me that the game can be used this way, but I can't see why anyone enjoys doing it.
Hope this helps!

Sent: Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:34 am
From: Moontzy
To: Chariot of Fire

the conqueror sent me an inbox message asking if i wanted to play. i noticed he was the top player on the leaderboard so i figured why not play him. when he first sent me the game invite it was a weird map with weird rules like you said in the message. i told him to change it and then he picked another map that was a little bit better but still not a "regular" one. I knew how to play freestyle but was not good at it so sure enough he beat me pretty quickly. he just waited until i deployed my troops down and then deployed right next to me and took over. i was a little annoyed because i sort of knew he was hustling me but i only lost 5 points so i didn't care too much

hope that helps!

Moontzy

From: sflynn
To: Chariot of Fire

Yes, it was pretty rude. It was very frustrating, then he had the nerve to invite me again, saying that he would help me more the next game. Yeah right. He's an ass.

[jammyjames]

lol, you actually did it.. I like that

Some very good points raised throughout

[cookie0117]

It would be nice if this was considered a gross abuse of the game due to it being an abuse of players. If people answered a call in the call out thread, they would be entering of their own free will.

The unwritten rules cover any abuse of the game, this is where moral and ethical values can be enforced.

[sherkaner]

Looks like a bit of a personal thing now, but the picture from the PM's is quite obvious. This should be in the site's definition of farming.

[pretender77]

ouch. this iis not gonna be so easy to get out of for glg

[anonymus]

ouch. this iis not gonna be so easy to get out of for glg

just watch him.. countdown to CoF's forumbad for "spurious" report..

CoF stick it to da man!

on a more serious note, this does goes to testify how not all of GLGs victims are happy campers after being abused.. and the invite-angle haven't been tried before..

Looks like a bit of a personal thing now, but the picture from the PM's is quite obvious. This should be in the site's definition of farming.

well it is a bit of a shame this report comes from CoF, and of course it is personal, but on the other hand that does not mean that is not true.
also players like CoF are the ones most affected (if you do not count the direct victims) since CoF and the likes are the ones who are really good, and who really should be in the top of the scoreboard..

how did the invite-report vs emdizzle turn out by the way (even if not exactly the same it bears some relevance in this case guess).
/

[eddie2]

the thing that alarms me the most is this..

How did he contact me? He sent me a message. Direct to my wall. He said something about Alabama football (one of my passions, as you can see by my avatar). He played like he was a fan, but after a few questions, I realized that he really didn't know anything about them....

he befriends someone to trick them into a game to chat about something he supports. this needs to be looked at further to see how many joined his games under this false info he feeds them.
also this will not be a forum ban for cof due to the fact that we were all invited by cof to pm all his past opponants and they would not complain about it.. well cof has opened a thread because members are not happy with how they were treated by glg.

[greenoaks]

no one forced those players to accept the invites.

a forum ban for the op is well desersed.

[codeblue1018]

Nice work COF! Clear cut as we all knew from the start.

[owenshooter]

the unwritten rules are only enforced in the forums where the integrity of the site and game are not compromised like they are by gross abuses such as this. it is time for this to stop. the admins need to step up and finally say, "this is wrong. it is not written, but this is clearly wrong."...-el Jesus negro

[Serbia]

Unfortunately, I think the only thing that will come of this is a ban to CoF for a spurious report. The C&A mods have warned that will happen. I think perhaps this should have been posted in Suggestions, rather than C&A. As it currently stands, what glg is doing is well documented, and has been found to not be against current rules. Which means that what everyone ought to be pressing for is a rule change.

Regardless, good luck to you, CoF.

[BGtheBrain]

Greetings.

Just a reminder, lets keep it on topic and civil.

[eddie2]

plz tell me one thing why will cof get a ban the warning was for no more farming threads this is not a farming thread it is a invite abuse thread.... from the responses of players who have suffered at the hands of glg you could also bring this rule into account.

from community guidelines..

if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple.

now from the responses players who have been victim to his actions feel unhappy at what actually happened. also if you look at the way he does it via pm's wall messages live chat there is a part to prevent this as well..

The Forums, Private Messages, Walls, Live Chat and Game Chat are all privileges of being a Conquer Club community member. They are not inalienable rights.

[ubcman64]

no one forced those players to accept the invites.

a forum ban for the op is well desersed.

no one forces kids into cars by luring them with candy either.....not quite the same thing, but you get my drift.
nice work CoF

[danryan]

KORT to the rescue in 3.2.1. GO!

Slam dunk, great work Simon. Hopefully he stops his farming now.

[jefjef]

Unfortunately, I think the only thing that will come of this is a ban to CoF for a spurious report. The C&A mods have warned that will happen.

This will be seriously looked at and highly doubt it will be found spurious.

CoF should also share the contents of the pm he sent these players to obtain these responses. Oh and C&A will surely be wanting these pm's reported to confirm that they exist..

[trinicardinal]

Unfortunately, I think the only thing that will come of this is a ban to CoF for a spurious report. The C&A mods have warned that will happen. I think perhaps this should have been posted in Suggestions, rather than C&A. As it currently stands, what glg is doing is well documented, and has been found to not be against current rules. Which means that what everyone ought to be pressing for is a rule change.

Regardless, good luck to you, CoF.

I have to agree with that.... I think it is clear that GLG is operating within the rules as they currently exist. Whether anyone agrees with his methods or not I do not think he is flouting the rules. To fix the situation therefore, the rules would need to be changed and that is being discussed now. In doing so consideration is also being made of suggestions raised so far in relation to alternative scoring systems. A proper community discussion in relation to this matter will definitely be helpful.

[king achilles]

Since this report is based on private messages, I would have to agree with jefjef here that we would need the whole conversation of those pm's. Please report all those private messages from the beginning, which means including the pm's before they responded to you. Click the little ! near the Quote button while viewing the message. When you have done that, feel free to also post them here in this report.

[Chuuuuck]

Our entire leaderboard and score system is a joke. The conqueror title has been a mockery of this site since I joined it back in 2007. It never represents the best strategist, but instead always represents who spends the most time watching freestyle games or can lure the most players into speed freestyle games.

I wish something would be done to stop this and make that a position people respect and actually try to achieve.

[Chariot of Fire]

Since this report is based on private messages, I would have to agree with jefjef here that we would need the whole conversation of those pm's. Please report all those private messages from the beginning, which means including the pm's before they responded to you. Click the little ! near the Quote button while viewing the message. When you have done that, feel free to also post them here in this report.

No problem. A copy of my PM is set-out below.

Sent: Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:06 pm
by Chariot of Fire

Hey guys,

I'm conducting a survey on behalf of many CC players who are upset with the manner in which certain high-ranking players (take our Conqueror for example) adopt a cheap method of gaining points. It's not quite 'farming' (that involves deliberately setting up games for noobs with under 5 games' experience to join) but it is 'ranching'. Ranching is setting up a game with difficult settings, e.g. freestyle, manual, and inviting players to it who have no idea what to do because they are new to the map & settings.

You have all fallen prey to this cheap tactic. Here's a game example: Game 10476064

This player has done this to over 1,300 people! You may think "Ah well, it's only 4 or 5 points lost" but the important thing is he does it to everybody he thinks he can take advantage of. There have been many Cheating & Abuse reports made against this player, but what he does is apparently not breaking any rules. It is however cheap and unethical.

We are looking at ways to prevent this kind of thing. I would be interested to know how you were approached by this player (was it in Live Chat, or did you simply receive an invite when you logged in?).

Does this kind of play spoil your enjoyment of CC and/or change your opinion of the purpose of the Leaderboard?

Having been a victim of one of CC's most notorious 'ranchers' would you like to see this kind of thing stopped in future? Do you have good or bad feelings about people who do this kind of thing?

Please bear in mind this guy does not play fair. If you were going to win your game he would have delayed the outcome and had CC Admin check to see if you were a multi - that's how he plays. See Game 7239410 for a good example of what he did to one player who was going to win (read all chat).

So I'd like to hear from you - the players who were duped into playing a speed game on a foreign map with odd settings - and see what the feedback is like and hopefully make CC a fairer place for everyone to enjoy a game, and also make ranks/points/scoreboard something that people can't take advantage of.

Thanks for your time

Simon (CoF)

A concerned CC'er

[king achilles]

To report a PM, when viewing the message, click on the little ! near the Quote button.

Also, how many people have you sent these pm's and did all of them responded? Have you included everyone who responded or did you only choose which ones to present here?

The accused is suspected of:

Other: Abuse of the invitation system by bringing unsuspecting players into games they were not prepared for.

- Abuse of the invitation system?

[redhawk92]

just tell glg to stop doing it.

if he continues tell him he will loose his premium.

2nd offense a week ban

3rd offense a month

4th offense 6 months

5th offense no more cc for him

this ought to stop him

[Chuuuuck]

- Abuse of the invitation system?

Conquer club clearly does not allow you to invite players to speed games. He finds a way to skirt this issue and bring unsuspecting players into speed games they are not familiar with.

[Serbia]

Unfortunately, I think the only thing that will come of this is a ban to CoF for a spurious report. The C&A mods have warned that will happen.

This will be seriously looked at and highly doubt it will be found spurious.

CoF should also share the contents of the pm he sent these players to obtain these responses. Oh and C&A will surely be wanting these pm's reported to confirm that they exist..

I certainly hope that CoF is not banned for this report. I'm hopeful that this will be looked on as a new and valid complaint, and will be looked at separately from previous reports. As I stated earlier, I know that so far, this tactic has been viewed as not being a rules violation. I personally think it's a bullshit way of getting to the top, and would welcome a rule change. Which again is why I think this may have been best posted in Suggestions. However, I can appreciate the "gross abuse" charge; I just hope that it isn't viewed as spurious.

[jgordon1111]

Well Done CoF, Very well thought out and executed.

The support for a rule change has been in place for a while,yet was continually shot down,due to no one being able to come up with a viable acceptable solution.

So more CC players got taken advantage of.

My own personal opinion anyone who supports this kind of unwritten abuse also needs looked into.

Clearly they have an agenda of their own that may be following the standard the accused is setting.