Cuban Missile Crisis [Quenched]

[Victor Sullivan]

Jamaica still does not contain a neutral. Was this supposed to be in the update?

Just started this dubs game Game 10662714...thankfully I dropped jamaica bonus and not the other team.

Apologies, perhaps my use of the term, "updated", was misleading. I meant the most recent XML I posted, not the most recent XML uploaded.

Also for the missle bonus "+2 for any three +5 for any six" Do they have to be the same image three or can you mix and match to achieve this three?

You can mix and match.

Great map! It looks awesome, one minor note though, on the legend under Bay of Pigs Invasion Authorization it says 'hold this operation and 2 Cuban missile bases for +3; 5 bases for +7' but there's only 4 Cuban missile bases

Should this say 4 bases or does it mean 5 bases of any kind?

No. By "Cuban missile bases", it means the bases on the island of Cuba, which includes all 4 Soviet missile bases and Guantánamo Bay.

-Sully

[thenobodies80]

Any word from Ace? It doesn't make sense to upload the xml without the images.

[Jippd]

Any word from Ace? It doesn't make sense to upload the xml without the images.

Ace Rimmer wrote:FYI for anyone who doesn't profile stalk me (for shame), I'm retired from CC. I'm trying to finish this up but I don't log in regularly. Sully has been amazing keeping this map going with his XML work (and he's amazing in bed too, ladies!)

He quit...see page before this, he makes a post himself too.

So what is the process for rescuing a map in beta when someone gives up mid way through?

[thenobodies80]

I know AceRimmer is quitting. But I know he is willing to complete the map before to quit 100% (Hey,I'm Joe! )
I posted here because maybe VS can give me more news about him.

If things go wrong I have my ways to contact him and find a solution to fix the map.

Nobodies

[Victor Sullivan]

I haven't heard anything from Ace. Of course, it never occurred to me to PM him, ha. I can do that now.

-Sully

[Ace Rimmer]

Pm reply to joe and sully is coming.

[thenobodies80]

XML with coordinates fixed, neutral 3 on Montego Bay, HQs lowered to neutral 2 and operations reduced to neutral 3:

CubanMissileCrisis7b.xml

-Sully

The above file and a fixed version of the map have been uploaded!

[Ace Rimmer]

Ty Joe <3

[AndyDufresne]

I mentioned this in Live Chat to Ace Rimmer. I don't recall the items in the upper right legend coming much into play during the one game I played. But it could be more of an anomalous game than representative, but thought I would mention it. Most of our battles tended to be more on the gameboard proper.


--Andy

[Jippd]

I agree in team games and 1 v 1 they don't come into play that much. However I haven't played it singles 4-8 players. They might be used then? especially with FOW? Mostly right now it seems to be about fighting for ships/Jamaica/Haiti

[Victor Sullivan]

I mentioned this in Live Chat to Ace Rimmer. I don't recall the items in the upper right legend coming much into play during the one game I played. But it could be more of an anomalous game than representative, but thought I would mention it. Most of our battles tended to be more on the gameboard proper.


--Andy

Right, which is why I provided an XML with lower neutrals in that area (which nobodies had lack upload, it seems). Hopefully that will at least help. I'm thinking reducing the auto-decay on the HQs may help, too.

-Sully

[DoomYoshi]

Legend should read "all of mainland Cuba apart from Guantanamo Bay. I wasn't clear on whether it bombarded MQ or not. I was going to use the Legend area, to get to the Missile Launch in an Assassin game, but BOB told me that missiles don't launch into MQ, so I would've had to go the long way round.

Great Strategy in Assassin games: take some MQ, so you can't be bombarded to death.

[VicFontaine]

I mentioned this in Live Chat to Ace Rimmer. I don't recall the items in the upper right legend coming much into play during the one game I played. But it could be more of an anomalous game than representative, but thought I would mention it. Most of our battles tended to be more on the gameboard proper.


--Andy

Right, which is why I provided an XML with lower neutrals in that area (which nobodies had lack upload, it seems). Hopefully that will at least help. I'm thinking reducing the auto-decay on the HQs may help, too.

-Sully

Actually, in larger games of 5 or more people, having lower neutrals would make it too easy for someone to jump to a quick lead. That's been my XP. As they stand now, a player really has to "risk" it to go for them, making it fun. The -5 is helpful here because a player, at least until well established, has to think critically about how many men he needs to go for a bonus through the neutrals in that region. He can't leave men behind, so he better make sure he takes enough with him, etc.

[Victor Sullivan]

I mentioned this in Live Chat to Ace Rimmer. I don't recall the items in the upper right legend coming much into play during the one game I played. But it could be more of an anomalous game than representative, but thought I would mention it. Most of our battles tended to be more on the gameboard proper.


--Andy

Right, which is why I provided an XML with lower neutrals in that area (which nobodies had lack upload, it seems). Hopefully that will at least help. I'm thinking reducing the auto-decay on the HQs may help, too.

-Sully

Actually, in larger games of 5 or more people, having lower neutrals would make it too easy for someone to jump to a quick lead. That's been my XP. As they stand now, a player really has to "risk" it to go for them, making it fun. The -5 is helpful here because a player, at least until well established, has to think critically about how many men he needs to go for a bonus through the neutrals in that region. He can't leave men behind, so he better make sure he takes enough with him, etc.

If you think so, I'm fine with leaving it.

-Sully

[amax]

I mentioned this in Live Chat to Ace Rimmer. I don't recall the items in the upper right legend coming much into play during the one game I played. But it could be more of an anomalous game than representative, but thought I would mention it. Most of our battles tended to be more on the gameboard proper.


--Andy

Right, which is why I provided an XML with lower neutrals in that area (which nobodies had lack upload, it seems). Hopefully that will at least help. I'm thinking reducing the auto-decay on the HQs may help, too.

-Sully

Actually, in larger games of 5 or more people, having lower neutrals would make it too easy for someone to jump to a quick lead. That's been my XP. As they stand now, a player really has to "risk" it to go for them, making it fun. The -5 is helpful here because a player, at least until well established, has to think critically about how many men he needs to go for a bonus through the neutrals in that region. He can't leave men behind, so he better make sure he takes enough with him, etc.

If you think so, I'm fine with leaving it.

-Sully

I just played it for the first time and thought it was Great. Note sure the other players figured out exactly How to get there or what They did, the one player I thought would catch on and go for it held Washington for a lot of the game but never attempted to take the HQ I can't complain about it because I used it Greatly to my advantage and Won the Game . The Nuke Buttons were a Game Changer
I definitely wouldn't reduce the number of n players that area should definitely be a challenge to breach and hold.

2 Thumbs Up,, I Loved It

[Ace Rimmer]

Month and a half with no comments, longer than that with no changes. Any reason to keep this in beta longer? I've got an open trips game on it (see Callouts) if anyone wants to take on the mapmaker on his second game on the map.

[trinicardinal]

Month and a half with no comments, longer than that with no changes. Any reason to keep this in beta longer? I've got an open trips game on it (see Callouts) if anyone wants to take on the mapmaker on his second gave game on the map.

(Fixed)

[isaiah40]

Quenching

---The Beta period has concluded for the Cuban Missile Crisis Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready to be released into live play.

Congratulations Ace Rimmer and Victor Sullivan, your shiny new medals are well-earned


Conquer Club, enjoy!

isaiah40

[nolefan5311]

Congrats Ace Rimmer!

[Ace Rimmer]

Thanks to everyone who helped ou with this one!

[VicFontaine]

This is, easily, "won" of my favorite maps. Very appreciative of your time and effort. I wish I had noticed this prior to the map going live, but I do wish the legend was clear that the invasion craft are not part of the ship bonuses of "hold any 3 of same ownership and get +2" or whatever it is. In all the games I've played on this map, I never noticed they weren't until I took the invasion craft on Round 2 of a game I'm in now in an effort to get that bonus. DUH! lol

[Victor Sullivan]

Well done, Ace!

-Deuce

[agentcom]

You have that you get +1 for "every 3 ship's of the same ownership." You then have that a flag "Denotes ship's ownership." From this alone, it would be logical that every flag denotes the ownership of a "ship." However, I had to go into the XML to discover that Landing Craft apparently do not count as "ships." I don't see this clarified anywhere on the map.

I would suggest, either don't use the flags on the landing craft or put in the key that landing craft don't count as ships (even though it looks like subs, carriers, cruisers and destroyers all count as ships).

... or, of course, count landing craft as part of the bonus.

[VicFontaine]

You have that you get +1 for "every 3 ship's of the same ownership." You then have that a flag "Denotes ship's ownership." From this alone, it would be logical that every flag denotes the ownership of a "ship." However, I had to go into the XML to discover that Landing Craft apparently do not count as "ships." I don't see this clarified anywhere on the map.

I would suggest, either don't use the flags on the landing craft or put in the key that landing craft don't count as ships (even though it looks like subs, carriers, cruisers and destroyers all count as ships).

... or, of course, count landing craft as part of the bonus.

This is what I was saying above, too.

[AndyDufresne]

You have that you get +1 for "every 3 ship's of the same ownership." You then have that a flag "Denotes ship's ownership." From this alone, it would be logical that every flag denotes the ownership of a "ship." However, I had to go into the XML to discover that Landing Craft apparently do not count as "ships." I don't see this clarified anywhere on the map.

I would suggest, either don't use the flags on the landing craft or put in the key that landing craft don't count as ships (even though it looks like subs, carriers, cruisers and destroyers all count as ships).

... or, of course, count landing craft as part of the bonus.

This is what I was saying above, too.

Hm, agentcom makes a good point.


--Andy