H.E. Mafia, Game Over, Town Prevails. [archive plox]

[DoomYoshi]

I find it really odd that jak claimed with so little pressure. But that could just be a noob thing.

No it couldn't. I already disproved that. It was deliberate.

[jak111]

I'm honestly just waiting to see who ya'll lynch, my votes staying because what I voted back for, I don't believe Clever's claim. But on the other side, I really don't have a spot to defend myself, I thought claiming might be helpful but it wasn't I guess..

[DoomYoshi]

I'm honestly just waiting to see who ya'll lynch, my votes staying because what I voted back for, I don't believe Clever's claim. But on the other side, I really don't have a spot to defend myself, I thought claiming might be helpful but it wasn't I guess..

What would cause it to be helpful?

Think back to when you claimed and let us know what possibilities you considered when you claimed.

[ghostly447]

I'm honestly just waiting to see who ya'll lynch, my votes staying because what I voted back for, I don't believe Clever's claim. But on the other side, I really don't have a spot to defend myself, I thought claiming might be helpful but it wasn't I guess..

What would cause it to be helpful?

Think back to when you claimed and let us know what possibilities you considered when you claimed.

If he is a noob then what would go through your mind after there had already been 2 claims? "Clever claimed and is completely cleared and ghostly claimed and he hasn't racked up all that many votes (at the time I hadn't). Maybe if I claim then we can get this show on the road and catch some scum!". I believe it to be a noob mistake if in fact he is a noob. I do not know if he is though.

[soundman]

I find it really odd that jak claimed with so little pressure. But that could just be a noob thing.

No it couldn't. I already disproved that. It was deliberate.

I think all the reading is frying my brain. So you did. However I don't think he's a Jester. My only support for that is la galleta's one post before getting kicked. He didn't try to attract attention in it. Not great but that's all I have. It seems his early claim was lost in all the Ghostly stuff. No one seemed to pay it much attention but looking back I now think he was mafia getting scared when a few people voted for him. Which made him claim early. Vote Jak

[DoomYoshi]

I'm honestly just waiting to see who ya'll lynch, my votes staying because what I voted back for, I don't believe Clever's claim. But on the other side, I really don't have a spot to defend myself, I thought claiming might be helpful but it wasn't I guess..

What would cause it to be helpful?

Think back to when you claimed and let us know what possibilities you considered when you claimed.

If he is a noob then what would go through your mind after there had already been 2 claims? "Clever claimed and is completely cleared and ghostly claimed and he hasn't racked up all that many votes (at the time I hadn't). Maybe if I claim then we can get this show on the road and catch some scum!". I believe it to be a noob mistake if in fact he is a noob. I do not know if he is though.

It can't be a n00b mistake.

[jak111]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one. <.< Though I love how I'm not really leading any cases (starting late with no real case to look at or get reactions from people myself can be hard) Yet in our other game I'm the one leading it, and ghostly is well like a ghost :3

Though here is a question, people are voting for clever for the EXACT same reasons as I am yet I'm suspicious for thinking his claim is false? Ghostly, sure he's well.. ghostly, don't know why out of the 3 games I've played/playing he's always the target of suspicion of someone. Is that not hate voting for an earlier game or something? I honestly haven't seen much to support any cases against him. As for my case it's made up for willing to lynch a potentially fake claim and claiming VT because I thought it'd help. But if lynching me is the only good that can come out of today, just bring it. I DON'T have much to defend myself with, nor do I wish to ask for help, because no offense, but there isn't a single one of you I trust myself. Not until I see what goes on more with your reactions to different things.

[dazza2008]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one. <.< Though I love how I'm not really leading any cases (starting late with no real case to look at or get reactions from people myself can be hard) Yet in our other game I'm the one leading it, and ghostly is well like a ghost :3

Though here is a question, people are voting for clever for the EXACT same reasons as I am yet I'm suspicious for thinking his claim is false? Ghostly, sure he's well.. ghostly, don't know why out of the 3 games I've played/playing he's always the target of suspicion of someone. Is that not hate voting for an earlier game or something? I honestly haven't seen much to support any cases against him. As for my case it's made up for willing to lynch a potentially fake claim and claiming VT because I thought it'd help. But if lynching me is the only good that can come out of today, just bring it. I DON'T have much to defend myself with, nor do I wish to ask for help, because no offense, but there isn't a single one of you I trust myself. Not until I see what goes on more with your reactions to different things.

I still don't get why you claimed with 1 vote on you. It never helps at all. If you are a VT then the scum now know not to kill you and have more chance of hitting a power role. I just find it very odd that you know that claiming with no pressure is scummy then you do it.

[jak111]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one. <.< Though I love how I'm not really leading any cases (starting late with no real case to look at or get reactions from people myself can be hard) Yet in our other game I'm the one leading it, and ghostly is well like a ghost :3

Though here is a question, people are voting for clever for the EXACT same reasons as I am yet I'm suspicious for thinking his claim is false? Ghostly, sure he's well.. ghostly, don't know why out of the 3 games I've played/playing he's always the target of suspicion of someone. Is that not hate voting for an earlier game or something? I honestly haven't seen much to support any cases against him. As for my case it's made up for willing to lynch a potentially fake claim and claiming VT because I thought it'd help. But if lynching me is the only good that can come out of today, just bring it. I DON'T have much to defend myself with, nor do I wish to ask for help, because no offense, but there isn't a single one of you I trust myself. Not until I see what goes on more with your reactions to different things.

I still don't get why you claimed with 1 vote on you. It never helps at all. If you are a VT then the scum now know not to kill you and have more chance of hitting a power role. I just find it very odd that you know that claiming with no pressure is scummy then you do it.

Well what do you want me to say? That I had an epiphany that it was the right thing to do? I did what I thought might've been useful and I stand by it, got a problem?

[ghostly447]

Hold on I just thought of something. Who brought up that it was so terribly convenient that I got role blocked? Because my point is, what good am I going to do besides get targeted by the role blocker again and again night after night unless it was the town role blocker? How am I going to prove my innocence through way of watching?

[DoomYoshi]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one. <.< Though I love how I'm not really leading any cases (starting late with no real case to look at or get reactions from people myself can be hard) Yet in our other game I'm the one leading it, and ghostly is well like a ghost :3

Though here is a question, people are voting for clever for the EXACT same reasons as I am yet I'm suspicious for thinking his claim is false? Ghostly, sure he's well.. ghostly, don't know why out of the 3 games I've played/playing he's always the target of suspicion of someone. Is that not hate voting for an earlier game or something? I honestly haven't seen much to support any cases against him. As for my case it's made up for willing to lynch a potentially fake claim and claiming VT because I thought it'd help. But if lynching me is the only good that can come out of today, just bring it. I DON'T have much to defend myself with, nor do I wish to ask for help, because no offense, but there isn't a single one of you I trust myself. Not until I see what goes on more with your reactions to different things.

I still don't get why you claimed with 1 vote on you. It never helps at all. If you are a VT then the scum now know not to kill you and have more chance of hitting a power role. I just find it very odd that you know that claiming with no pressure is scummy then you do it.

Well what do you want me to say? That I had an epiphany that it was the right thing to do? I did what I thought might've been useful and I stand by it, got a problem?

Why did you think it might've been useful? Unless you can provide a reason, I do have a problem.

[spiesr]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one.

Here is a tip: Depending on the circumstance, responding to the first vote against you by claiming "in order to prevent people from wasting their time on someone who isn't scum" is at least as likely to draw more attention to you than to divert it to useful places. Especially when it is as sloppily done as it was here.

[DoomYoshi]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one.

Here is a tip: Depending on the circumstance, responding to the first vote against you by claiming "in order to prevent people from wasting their time on someone who isn't scum" is at least as likely to draw more attention to you than to divert it to useful places. Especially when it is as sloppily done as it was here.

Well I guess that is a reason... dunno how I missed that

[safariguy5]

Hold on I just thought of something. Who brought up that it was so terribly convenient that I got role blocked? Because my point is, what good am I going to do besides get targeted by the role blocker again and again night after night unless it was the town role blocker? How am I going to prove my innocence through way of watching?

I brought it up. I wasn't commenting on the probability that you will get roleblocked in the future, I was commenting on the low probability that a roleblocker targeted you. Out of 16 possible Night 1 targets, you happen to get chosen? It doesn't really help the credibility of your claim. That said, I'm not voting you because you got roleblocked. I'm voting you because you basically tunneled on the same people AND you basically OMGUS added me and strike to the possible scummy list because we disagreed with you.

[dazza2008]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one. <.< Though I love how I'm not really leading any cases (starting late with no real case to look at or get reactions from people myself can be hard) Yet in our other game I'm the one leading it, and ghostly is well like a ghost :3

Though here is a question, people are voting for clever for the EXACT same reasons as I am yet I'm suspicious for thinking his claim is false? Ghostly, sure he's well.. ghostly, don't know why out of the 3 games I've played/playing he's always the target of suspicion of someone. Is that not hate voting for an earlier game or something? I honestly haven't seen much to support any cases against him. As for my case it's made up for willing to lynch a potentially fake claim and claiming VT because I thought it'd help. But if lynching me is the only good that can come out of today, just bring it. I DON'T have much to defend myself with, nor do I wish to ask for help, because no offense, but there isn't a single one of you I trust myself. Not until I see what goes on more with your reactions to different things.

I still don't get why you claimed with 1 vote on you. It never helps at all. If you are a VT then the scum now know not to kill you and have more chance of hitting a power role. I just find it very odd that you know that claiming with no pressure is scummy then you do it.

Well what do you want me to say? That I had an epiphany that it was the right thing to do? I did what I thought might've been useful and I stand by it, got a problem?

Like Doom said i want to know why you thought it would help. The games I have played with you so far you never struck me as an idiot. I could have been wrong though.

Hold on I just thought of something. Who brought up that it was so terribly convenient that I got role blocked? Because my point is, what good am I going to do besides get targeted by the role blocker again and again night after night unless it was the town role blocker? How am I going to prove my innocence through way of watching?

I brought it up. I wasn't commenting on the probability that you will get roleblocked in the future, I was commenting on the low probability that a roleblocker targeted you. Out of 16 possible Night 1 targets, you happen to get chosen? It doesn't really help the credibility of your claim. That said, I'm not voting you because you got roleblocked. I'm voting you because you basically tunneled on the same people AND you basically OMGUS added me and strike to the possible scummy list because we disagreed with you.

I also said I found it unlikely that you would be roleblocked so early with the players we have in this game. Its not the reason I voted you but it is 1 of the things that mounted up to it.

[ghostly447]

Hold on I just thought of something. Who brought up that it was so terribly convenient that I got role blocked? Because my point is, what good am I going to do besides get targeted by the role blocker again and again night after night unless it was the town role blocker? How am I going to prove my innocence through way of watching?

I brought it up. I wasn't commenting on the probability that you will get roleblocked in the future, I was commenting on the low probability that a roleblocker targeted you. Out of 16 possible Night 1 targets, you happen to get chosen? It doesn't really help the credibility of your claim. That said, I'm not voting you because you got roleblocked. I'm voting you because you basically tunneled on the same people AND you basically OMGUS added me and strike to the possible scummy list because we disagreed with you.

I do not recall saying anything about it being the reason you voted me. Does everyone here to try build a case, then continue the slaughter even though I have not formally addressed them with a case? I added you and strike long ago. I didnt not want to say anything about it because I had already done a lot for 1 day. When you all accused me of tunneling, I brought it up so you knew that I wasnt tunneling. Now you say its an OMGUS just because I added your name, and determined that my final 4 for going out included you. If I wanted to make a case I would have and then I could see you talking to me about WHY you voted for me. But I didnt, so therefore please leave it.

[jak111]

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one. <.< Though I love how I'm not really leading any cases (starting late with no real case to look at or get reactions from people myself can be hard) Yet in our other game I'm the one leading it, and ghostly is well like a ghost :3

Though here is a question, people are voting for clever for the EXACT same reasons as I am yet I'm suspicious for thinking his claim is false? Ghostly, sure he's well.. ghostly, don't know why out of the 3 games I've played/playing he's always the target of suspicion of someone. Is that not hate voting for an earlier game or something? I honestly haven't seen much to support any cases against him. As for my case it's made up for willing to lynch a potentially fake claim and claiming VT because I thought it'd help. But if lynching me is the only good that can come out of today, just bring it. I DON'T have much to defend myself with, nor do I wish to ask for help, because no offense, but there isn't a single one of you I trust myself. Not until I see what goes on more with your reactions to different things.

I still don't get why you claimed with 1 vote on you. It never helps at all. If you are a VT then the scum now know not to kill you and have more chance of hitting a power role. I just find it very odd that you know that claiming with no pressure is scummy then you do it.

Well what do you want me to say? That I had an epiphany that it was the right thing to do? I did what I thought might've been useful and I stand by it, got a problem?

Like Doom said i want to know why you thought it would help. The games I have played with you so far you never struck me as an idiot. I could have been wrong though.

Hold on I just thought of something. Who brought up that it was so terribly convenient that I got role blocked? Because my point is, what good am I going to do besides get targeted by the role blocker again and again night after night unless it was the town role blocker? How am I going to prove my innocence through way of watching?

I brought it up. I wasn't commenting on the probability that you will get roleblocked in the future, I was commenting on the low probability that a roleblocker targeted you. Out of 16 possible Night 1 targets, you happen to get chosen? It doesn't really help the credibility of your claim. That said, I'm not voting you because you got roleblocked. I'm voting you because you basically tunneled on the same people AND you basically OMGUS added me and strike to the possible scummy list because we disagreed with you.

I also said I found it unlikely that you would be roleblocked so early with the players we have in this game. Its not the reason I voted you but it is 1 of the things that mounted up to it.

-.- Do I gotta say it a million times?

I just thought it'd be helpful to be more of a meat shield for the scummies, + to get jonty to actually use his vote toward finding a real one.

Here is a tip: Depending on the circumstance, responding to the first vote against you by claiming "in order to prevent people from wasting their time on someone who isn't scum" is at least as likely to draw more attention to you than to divert it to useful places. Especially when it is as sloppily done as it was here.

Well I guess that is a reason... dunno how I missed that

[jak111]

EBWOP
Stop skimming yourself Dazza, the fact you missed that ENTIRE short convo for the past page or so now, that's more skimming than I did at the start, and that's a lot...

FoS on Dazza, you were "mafia" (well, mafia was good guys in our game so you were an FBI agent/officer) in our other game, and you skimmed or intentionally pretended not to notice in that game most of the things going on.

[dazza2008]

EBWOP
Stop skimming yourself Dazza, the fact you missed that ENTIRE short convo for the past page or so now, that's more skimming than I did at the start, and that's a lot...

FoS on Dazza, you were "mafia" (well, mafia was good guys in our game so you were an FBI agent/officer) in our other game, and you skimmed or intentionally pretended not to notice in that game most of the things going on.

I never skimmed in that game and I am not now. I just do not understand your reasoning at all.

This on top of your skimming makes me very suspicious of you. I think you and ghost are probably scum since you always seem to defend him and try to take the heat off him. I would be happy to lynch either of you.

[ghostly447]

EBWOP
Stop skimming yourself Dazza, the fact you missed that ENTIRE short convo for the past page or so now, that's more skimming than I did at the start, and that's a lot...

FoS on Dazza, you were "mafia" (well, mafia was good guys in our game so you were an FBI agent/officer) in our other game, and you skimmed or intentionally pretended not to notice in that game most of the things going on.

I never skimmed in that game and I am not now. I just do not understand your reasoning at all.

This on top of your skimming makes me very suspicious of you. I think you and ghost are probably scum since you always seem to defend him and try to take the heat off him. I would be happy to lynch either of you.

You are singling him out for defending me? Isnt that what I am getting screwed over for? If you didnt notice, Spiesr defended me more than jak did. I dont even recall jak defending me besides briefly giving his opinion.

FOS Dazza now as well.

[chapcrap]

How am I going to prove my innocence through way of watching?

Since the two people who quoted you didn't answer this part, I will.

You need to watch someone with a night role (perhaps CLEVER) and then the next day, you can say where he went. If he confirms you, then you are mostly confirmed. Of course, that means you have to rely on the person you watch to go somewhere and then confirm it and then have everyone else believe that you are both telling the truth. As of now, I know no one that would participate with you except CLEVER.

[spiesr]

Here are some of my current thoughts on Jak. He has given us some sort of explanation as to what he was thinking when he claimed suddenly. Now, clearly this wasn't a good decision and his reasons for doing so don't align well with standard mafia logic, but he at least has offered us his explanation. I personally don't have enough experience with him to divine if he should have know better or not, perhaps those more familiar with him can lend their observations on the matter. As such, at this point I find actions suspect, but not damning. I don't yet have a string evaluation on the legitimacy of his claim. This game supposedly may or may not have vanilla townies. I think I would feel more confident, Jak, if you could let us know some of the flavor of your role. (Without doing anything that would stray into quoting of course.) I mean, what sort of nature is your character portrayed as having according to your role pm?
Regardless, at this point in time Jak ranks well below SomethingClever and Ghostly on my hierarchy of who to lynch today.

You need to watch someone with a night role (perhaps CLEVER) and then the next day, you can say where he went. If he confirms you, then you are mostly confirmed. Of course, that means you have to rely on the person you watch to go somewhere and then confirm it and then have everyone else believe that you are both telling the truth. As of now, I know no one that would participate with you except CLEVER.

That is not how a watcher works. Rather you have described the powers of a tracker.
Also, Ghostly's concern is that the mafia will roleblock him should he be alive tonight, thus preventing him from obtaining any results that could back up his claim. While this is certainly an item of some concern, the way he goes about mentioning it reeks of complaining about "how the mafia are out to get him specifically" and overrating is own importance...

[strike wolf]

Okay...I've had some time to calm down and I shall start contributing again (I was getting frustrated yesterday and I hate playing frustrated...it's not good for me and it's not good for the other players participating in the game. It just makes it unpleasant for everyone). Anyways, Ghostly it's all well and good that you may have been looking at me and safari earlier on (somewhat believable in my case) but I hope you understand how convenient it sounds at this point when we join the more vocal group of people disagreeing with you to start saying that you also consider us scummy. I am leaning with doomyoshi over your reasoning. you say he answered all your questions but your actions have continued to contradict such a statement. If you were dropping the case you could have left it at that. You didn't need to go back into why you thought he was scummy to begin with and I hold you accountable for Doomyoshi reacting to that.

As far as Jak is concerned. His reasoning isn't perfect but I think he has at least offered a reasoning. I think his mistake appears more new than scummy (I mean really none of you ever made a rash decision that went wrong when you were new? I still do every now and then and I've had several mafia games). It's suspicious but I think for now he's earned the benefit of the doubt.

[ghostly447]

How am I going to prove my innocence through way of watching?

Since the two people who quoted you didn't answer this part, I will.

You need to watch someone with a night role (perhaps CLEVER) and then the next day, you can say where he went. If he confirms you, then you are mostly confirmed. Of course, that means you have to rely on the person you watch to go somewhere and then confirm it and then have everyone else believe that you are both telling the truth. As of now, I know no one that would participate with you except CLEVER.

Chapcrap. I think you have played enough games to know that a tracker watches a person and knows where they went. And a watcher watches a person they think will be a victim so the watcher can hopefully catch the killer. And as far as your past argument against me (page 33 near the bottom) you knew enough about the role to use it against me in saying it wasnt as important as a doctor claim. Scum slip, or mistake, I dont know. But either way it isnt enough to try to make a case off of (obviously) so I will leave it be.

Here is the quote in case you were wondering where I pulled it from:

I will defend myself against your untrue, factually inaccurate, and illogical arguments.

First of all, I never asked for a doctor to counterclaim. I said I wasn't going to lynch CLEVER without a counterclaim. Good luck finding someone who will.

What Doom and strike have said is true. You have targeted the 3 of us (CLEVER, Doom, and me) since the beginning and found stuff to try to argue that we were scum.

• Main argument against Doom: Gut feeling? (Awful reason)
  Main argument against CLEVER: you don't believe his doc claim (Awful reason)
  Main argument again me: I won't lynch CLEVER without a counterclaim (No one will except you!)

And the reason you claim to have gotten interested in me? Because I voted 4th against CLEVER... That 4th vote was less than 2 hours after you. And about 6 hours after the first vote. It was the first change I had to vote. So me being 4th, . Let me tell you what I did in the time between your vote and my vote. I finished my shift at work. I get off at 2300 CST (Kansas City), drove 30 minutes home, took care of my wife (she's due in 9 weeks!!!), and then got on CC to play games (I'm down to only 125 active now), be a mod, run tournaments, and play mafia last. Mafia is always the last thing I do. So, sorry that I couldn't vote 2 hours sooner so that it was before your vote.

As far as your claim goes... It seems believable, but a claim of town watcher is much less believable and important that town doctor. So, if people continue with your lynch because of the ridiculousness of your logic, it's not because they necessarily believe CLEVER more than you, but because doctors are much more important than watchers.The fact that no one wants to lynch CLEVER has everything to do with the fact that you do not lynch a claimed doctor. Also, a little redundant to FOS me when you are already voting for me.

Finally, I'm not going to try to explain your 3 options post. You're the one who is being super confusing for no reason and trying to leads cases and bandwagons with no logic and nothing to go on and then getting mad when people won't follow the ridiculousness.

And jonty, my logic in protecting the claimed doc? What logic? The logic is that he's a claimed doc, you don't vote him. I'm pretty sure that everyone gets that. Even you, because you unvoted CLEVER too! Guess you can vote yourself now.

FASTPOSTED x2

Fastposted by strike. Regarding me bringing my original reasoning back up, I did it upon doomyoshi's request to tell him what my original weak cases were on them, and so I did. So if you want to blame someone, the blame does not rest on my head for bringing it back up in my opinion.

[strike wolf]

Claimed Captain Flume, Town Watcher. From Catch-22 (I believe was the name of it). Same as our dead confirmed Town Tracker. I know nothing about 'Catch-22' except for the small bit our mod included in my role pm. Besides that, all I can hope for is that the town sees no reason to lynch me so I can try to watch some more and hopefully catch scum. If not, good luck town.

The highlighted section here is causing me major concern. First off, the character from Catch 22 (Orr) was the busdriver, not the tracker. Now, admittedly this is mistake that I made myself. I was then corrected by Strike or safari or someone. Now, Ghostly has continued to make this mistake, so I conclude that he actually thinks/thought that the tracker was the character from Catch 22. Looking at this, I am seriously concerned, as he seems to be using it as circumstantial evidence in support of his claim. This, coupled with other things he has said to similar ends is now causing me to seriously consider the possibility that this claim is a fake that Ghostly came up with based on these facts. I mean, I get this feeling that if Ghostly hadn't mixed up the character's roles that he would have claimed Gob or something from Arrested Development. I am not going to move my vote at the moment, because I don't want to rush things by putting him and L-1 where anybody could end the day before I am good and ready, but I now consider him my number 1 choice for the day.

Is that a lynch?
Cause I'd hate to see a no lynch after all this work
So unvote vote ghostly
Not trying to hammer its just late Monday and the deadline is upon us

The deadline is next Monday, a week from now.

Bleh, I need some sleep. Gotta also drill it into my brain that I am saying the wrong crap. I have gotten used to saying our tracker was Catch-22 and have just not gotten it through my head quite yet. Cant teach an old dog new tricks, or in this case since I have gotten so used to 1 thing, its hard to change my pattern of thought.

Why would it be in your brain at all though?

Regarding the players I mentioned that everyone feels have cause me to lose my sight to the other players around me, I just have reason to believe they may be scum. I posted those reasons dozens of times, and after you make a case, no matter how good or bad it is, you are always wondering if you can actually trust them.

So if 0% of the reasons are valid, and some are pure fabrications, the case must still be continued? Unfortunately, in RL this is true. Michael Jackson will forever be known as a child molester, even though it was never proven. In mafia this shouldn't be the case.

I just personally feel SOME things I pointed out actually were scumslips, and therefore sometimes its hard to let go of the fact that they may NOT be scum.

Which ones?

I do still feel their scum, but I promise you I still go with unbiased behavior into any game, and thats how it is throughout as well.

Prove it. So far nothing you have said, other than this post, has provided any evidence that this is the case.

Is this the post you are referring to about Doomyoshi Ghostly?