FOX News: "Women in the Military Deserve to be Raped!"

[the carpet man]

heh. what kind of child would ignore the strongly held and reasonable wish of their parent?

Most likely, any child who might have the great misfortune to be under your care.

hello, i am woodruff! i like to insult you when i do not agree with you. why? because i have no ability to reason or debate. it is best for me to just throw childish insults.

[Woodruff]

heh. what kind of child would ignore the strongly held and reasonable wish of their parent?

Most likely, any child who might have the great misfortune to be under your care.

hello, i am woodruff! i like to insult you when i do not agree with you. why? because i have no ability to reason or debate. it is best for me to just throw childish insults.

Do you mean to insinuate that I intend to tolerate such diabolical impertinence from such an inferior phenomenon as you?

You remind me of the poker player who sits at the table believing he's getting on the other players' nerves with his insinuations and jabs when in reality, everyone else at the table is just laughing at him.

[natty dread]

heh. what kind of child would ignore the strongly held and reasonable wish of their parent?

If you are the parent... a smart one.

natty - you pretend that men and women are the same. do you feel this makes you a liberal of the 21st century? that you are clever for ignoring basic biological difference? men are naturally stronger and more aggressive. women are naturally less aggressive and the sex who have and feed the children. nature has created these differences, and you ignore them. why?

I don't ignore or pretend anything. Your arguments are full of shit, and you can't back up a single one of them, in this or any other thread.

The differences between sexes are largely superficial - there are some biological differences, but they are statistical differences and do not apply to individuals. The average physical strength of men is slightly higher than the average physical strength of women, sure, but to assert that "men are naturally stronger" is bullshit.

When it comes to behavioural differences, the situation is far, far more complex... even if you can find statistical differences in behaviour of different sexes, there's no way to separate how many of those differences result from biology and how many result from the rigid enforcement of gender norms and societal pressure for conformity.

[saxitoxin]

BTW, the quote "all men are rapists", IIRC was from the great radical feminist Marilyn French, not Queen Victoria. The proclivity toward sexual violence of all men is a cornerstone of modern feminism and has nothing to do with denying female sexuality. Females can engage in sexual relationships that do not subjugate them if they assume the dominant position.

[the carpet man]

is this regular from mr. woodruff, or am i lucky to get this rude treatment from him?

natty - lower testosterone and his estrogene in women. woman's body is the one to give birth and feed child (restricting her for at least some time to the raising of children). as you have accepted, men are stronger. look at body shape. woman have wide hips and more fatty bodies (breasts, hips etc). men have more triangle shape and bigger shoulders.

[saxitoxin]

is this regular from mr. woodruff, or am i lucky to get this rude treatment from him?

the usual

woman have wide hips and more fatty bodies (breasts, hips etc). men have more triangle shape and bigger shoulders.

This thread suddenly became 10th grade Health. Is there a self-conscious pregnant girl lurking in the corner of the thread, I wonder?

[natty dread]

BTW, the quote "all men are rapists", IIRC was from the great radical feminist Marilyn French, not Queen Victoria.

I don't care if it was from your mother, it's still misandrist.

The proclivity toward sexual violence of all men is a cornerstone of modern feminism

Lol, no it's not. It maybe was some few decades ago. Times are a'changing, old man.

The assertion that male sexuality is predatory is a view held only by some sex-negative radical feminists, and paradoxically, also by many traditionalists/conservatives... but most of truly modern feminism takes a far more reasonable stance to the issue.

Females can engage in sexual relationships that do not subjugate them if they assume the dominant position.

Unless we're talking about roleplay (in which case, use a safeword!) neither party has to be dominant or subjugated. The whole notion that sex is somehow degrading to women is based on victorial ideals of purity... which are of course offensive to both men and women.

In an ideal situation, each sexual act is negotiated explicitly by both parties, to ensure consent from both.

[QoH]

QoH - you are talking about the developed world armies? congratulations. i am talking about all armies.

Bullshit you're talking about all armies. Why are you only posting a video about the Congo army? Give me a video from any other army that says the same thing.


Also, I absolutely love how you ignore all of my arguments. You clearly have nothing to your argument but a sexists impression of a man and a woman, and what it means to be a soldier. You should go back to high school debate team. You might learn something.

[saxitoxin]

BTW, the quote "all men are rapists", IIRC was from the great radical feminist Marilyn French, not Queen Victoria.

I don't care if it was from your mother, it's still misandrist.

The proclivity toward sexual violence of all men is a cornerstone of modern feminism

Lol, no it's not. It maybe was some few decades ago. Times are a'changing, old man.

The assertion that male sexuality is predatory is a view held only by some sex-negative radical feminists, and paradoxically, also by many traditionalists/conservatives... but most of truly modern feminism takes a far more reasonable stance to the issue.

Females can engage in sexual relationships that do not subjugate them if they assume the dominant position.

Unless we're talking about roleplay (in which case, use a safeword!) neither party has to be dominant or subjugated. The whole notion that sex is somehow degrading to women is based on victorial ideals of purity... which are of course offensive to both men and women.

In an ideal situation, each sexual act is negotiated explicitly by both parties, to ensure consent from both.

I can assure you I've been in far more sex act negotiations than you. I even keep a stack of carbon paper and my notary seal next to the bed in case Es and me decide to switch positions.

[natty dread]

I can assure you I've been in far more sex act negotiations than you.

Congrats, want a medal for that?

I even keep a stack of carbon paper and my notary seal next to the bed in case Es and me decide to switch positions.

That's not what negotiating actually means in this context, but hey, it was kind of funny in a flaccid sort of way, so carry on.

[saxitoxin]

I can assure you I've been in far more sex act negotiations than you.

Congrats, want a medal for that?

Natty, if you were a woman, or a decent looking tranny, I would rock your world so hard you'd be in a wheelchair for a week.

[natty dread]

You're so politically incorrect, saxi.

[oVo]

am i lucky to get this rude treatment from him?

The majority of remarks you've made in this thread are an insult to ignorance.
You are fortunate there isn't a Tar & Feather app on this site.

The rapes and gang rapes you've posted that have been ongoing with the civil wars
of Africa are an entirely different subject than the one posed in this thread. Those
horrific acts of sexual violence as a psychological and physical weapon of war against
the general population --regardless of age-- are ethnic and not sexually motivated.

[the carpet man]

so i am ignorant to suggest that woman can take precaution against rape.

but it is acceptable for you to say that rape in africa is ethnic. and that is not racist? i guess the black people of africa are just much nastier (in your eyes)

[natty dread]

The rapes and gang rapes you've posted that have been ongoing with the civil wars
of Africa are an entirely different subject than the one posed in this thread. Those
horrific acts of sexual violence as a psychological and physical weapon of war against
the general population --regardless of age-- are ethnic and not sexually motivated.

Furthermore, rape is not gender-specific - men are raped as well as women, it's just that men seek help or report the rapes far less often than women, thanks to the stigmatizing effect of rape on men.

so i am ignorant to suggest that woman can take precaution against rape.

Yes, because it's not true. There's no precaution you can take apart from locking yourself in your home 24/7 - and even then, someone can break in... furthermore, the whole idea that "women have to take care not to get raped" is utterly moronic, because it puts the responsibility of the crime to the victims.

Women should have the right to dress the way they want, and express themselves freely, without misogynist fuckheads going "she deserved it for being a slut" if they get raped.

but it is acceptable for you to say that rape in africa is ethnic. and that is not racist? i guess the black people of africa are just much nastier (in your eyes)

You just keep spouting more idiocy... He never even implied that africans rape people because they are black. That's just the conclusion you jumped into, which frankly speaks volumes of your own racism.

[saxitoxin]

am i lucky to get this rude treatment from him?

The majority of remarks you've made in this thread are an insult to ignorance.
You are fortunate there isn't a Tar & Feather app on this site.

The rapes and gang rapes you've posted that have been ongoing with the civil wars
of Africa are an entirely different subject than the one posed in this thread. Those
horrific acts of sexual violence as a psychological and physical weapon of war against
the general population --regardless of age-- are ethnic and not sexually motivated.

Why can't the west use rape against ethnicities, economic groups, religious minorities or as a leadership-directed compliance tool against an enemy population? The case of the Congo isn't just "Africans being Africans." There are a handful of social stressors that have descended Congo into rape mania. I assume the stressors are similar to prison, prolonged combat or sustained social devolution post-disaster.

• There's an assumption - looking at the ordered cardboard calmness of our strip malls and TGI Fridays - that the level of social development the west has achieved can't be easily rolled back.

Inasmuch as the topic of this thread is concerned, I disagree with Carpet, but I do think he raises points that - though I may disagree with them - are valid enough to warrant a discussion and exchange of ideas versus just releasing Woodruff from his pen to showcase his anger management issues to us for the five hundredth time.

[pimpdave]

The majority of remarks you've made in this thread are an insult to ignorance.
You are fortunate there isn't a Tar & Feather app on this site.

oVo, why are you threatening violence? the carpet man is merely trying to discuss ideas and you're talking about how you'd like to give him third degree burns with tar?

[Aradhus]

The proclivity toward sexual violence of all men is a cornerstone of modern feminism

Lol, no it's not. It maybe was some few decades ago. Times are a'changing, old man.

The assertion that male sexuality is predatory is a view held only by some sex-negative radical feminists, and paradoxically, also by many traditionalists/conservatives... but most of truly modern feminism takes a far more reasonable stance to the issue.

A reasonable modern day feminist, lol

Does anybody know what the numbers are for rapes annually (ANNUALLY, ya filthmonger)occurring in the US military? I know that article said something about 65% increase, but that doesn't really mean anything if the number for the previous year, or whatever block of time they're using, was 12 or anything relatively low like that. Or how the percentage of rapes per person compares to other areas, cities, states, low income neighbourhoods, fields of work, etc.

Psychologists(or is it just tv fiction) often say rape is as much about power as anything else, I wonder if that has a significant impact in this sort of enviroment, where I'd imagine a real profound sense of powerlessness can take root. Or often probably exists already in significant numbers of enlistees, which leads to decisions like joining the military.

[natty dread]

A reasonable modern day feminist, lol

Yeah, posting a link to some obscure blog somehow proves my point false, good job.

[Aradhus]

A reasonable modern day feminist, lol

Yeah, posting a link to some obscure blog somehow proves my point false, good job.

Yeah, that wasn't what I was doing. I posted the link because it's funny, good.. unmerited snark.

[MeDeFe]

A reasonable modern day feminist, lol

Are those sufficient or necessary conditions for classifying a man as a rape supporter? I.e. is any one of those points enough to make one a rape supporter or are several, or even all, of them needed?

[Aradhus]

I believe you only need to fulfill one condition to be classified a rape supporter. So basically, according to that list, every man is a rape supporter.

[saxitoxin]

I believe you only need to fulfill one condition to be classified a rape supporter. So basically, according to that list, every man is a rape supporter.

What Saxi said and stands by ... I'd probably prefer "potential rapist", though, rather than "rape supporter."

[natty dread]

I believe you only need to fulfill one condition to be classified a rape supporter. So basically, according to that list, every man is a rape supporter.

Yeah... the person who wrote that list is an idiot.

The writer of the list is obviously starting from the assumption that male sexuality is inherently degrading. Which is a problematic idea because not only does it imply that all men are "potential rapists", but because it leads to the notion that women are "spoiled" when they have sex with a man - the whole cult of virginity, slut-shaming, things like that.

Also, when one assumes that male sexuality is always degrading, it also blurs the line between mutually consented sex and rape. And that is, ironically, actually something which supports rape culture.

[thegreekdog]

Here is the list (with numbers so we can all see how we've done):

(1) He has ever sexually engaged with any woman while she was underage, drunk, high, physically restrained, unconscious, or subjected to psychological, physical, economic, or emotional coercion.
(2) He defends the current legal definition of rape and/or opposes making consent a defense.
(3) He has accused a rape victim of having “buyer’s remorse” or wanting to get money from the man.
(4) He has blamed a woman for “putting herself in a situation” where she “could be” attacked.
(5) He has procured a prostitute.
(6) He characterizes prostitution as a “legitimate” “job” “choice” or defends men who purchase prostitutes.
(7) He has ever revealed he conceives of sex as fundamentally transactional.
(8) He has gone to a strip club.
(9) He is anti-abortion.
(10) He is pro-”choice” because he believes abortion access will make women more sexually available.
(11) He frames discussions of pornography in terms of “freedom of speech.”
(12) He watches pornography in which women are depicted.
(13) He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present.
(14) He characterizes the self-sexualizing behavior of some women, such as wearing make-up or high heels, as evidence of women’s desire to “get” a man.
(15) He tells or laughs at jokes involving women being attacked, sexually “hoodwinked,” or sexually harassed.
(16) He expresses enjoyment of movies/musicals/TV shows/plays in which women are sexually demeaned or presented as sexual objects
(17) He mocks women who complain about sexual attacks, sexual harassment, street cat-calls, media depictions of women, or other forms of sexual objectification.
(18) He supports sexual “liberation” and claims women would have more sex with (more) men if society did not “inhibit” them.
(19) He states or implies that women who do not want to have sex with men are “inhibited,” “prudes,” “stuck-up,” “man-haters,” or psychologically ill.
(20) He argues that certain male behaviors towards women are “cultural” and therefore not legitimate subjects of feminist attention.
(21) He ever subordinates the interests of women in a given population to the interests of the men in that population, or proceeds in discussions as if the interests of the women are the same as the interests of the men.
(22) He promotes religious or philosophical views in which a woman’s physical/psychological/emotional/sexual well-being is subordinated to a man’s.
(23) He describes female anatomy in terms of penetration, or uses terms referencing the supposed “emptiness” of female anatomy when describing women.
(24) He defends the physical abuse of women on the grounds of “consent.”
(25) He defends the sexualization or sexual abuse of minor females on the grounds of “consent” or “willingness.”
(26) He promotes the idea that women as a class are happier or more fulfilled if they have children, or that they “should” have children.
(27) He argues that people (or just “men”) have sexual “needs.”
(28) He discusses the “types” of women he finds sexually appealing and/or attempts to demean women by telling them he does not find them sexually appealing.
(29) He sexually objectifies lesbians or lesbian sexual activity.
(30) He defends these actions by saying that some women also engage in them.