Get Rich from the Bank [5/12] Town Wins!

[Iron Butterfly]

Well, it looks good for town with two Mafia and one Third Party dead, but I wish we knew more here...

Reflecting on the argument that Leitz was cleared just before night 2 began: I have to agree that Zimmah might not have been in the best frame of mind to help town at that point in time. Also, Zimmah could indeed have investigated Leitz, and gotten an innocent result due to some interference from another role... So while I would love to believe that Leitz is town, I feel that we can't be certain of it.

Is deuceswild for sure town? Because the poisoner is dead, the lover pairing is, what, defunct? So the role can't go back to exactly it's original form, and only the name, not the role, was specified by the mod. If one thing isn't the same as before, other things could also be different. I can't be certain deuceswild is town.

Iron Butterfly: It would be very easy to believe IB is town; why would IB and Rodion try so hard to get each other lynched unless one or both were town? However, both are clever players. Wouldn't it be clever to stage a bitter fight to the death, and when one is killed, the town totally believes that the survivor is town? A dangerous gambit, as they lose one of their own, but if they win in the end, worth it? I can't be certain IB is town.

I'm still thinking about the night scene, and about the other players besides Leitz, deuceswild, and Iron Butterfly, but I wanted to at least do a partial post.

For your viewing pleasure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9f3GSA9yfc

You hear about WIFO arguments. Some times an argument is just an argument. The "Wine in front of me" argument is called that based on this scene from The Princess Bride.

Rodion and I where playing to the death.

[zimmah]

Your actions spoke for themselves.

You lost. THAT is the issue.

Your dead.

Buh by

wow you're even more of an asshole then i thought.

[skillfusniper33]

Your actions spoke for themselves.

You lost. THAT is the issue.

Your dead.

Buh by

wow you're even more of an asshole then i thought.

I would like to ask all dead players to keep quite.

Also IB, please stop baiting both rodion, and zimmah. It is getting really annoying, and you are supposed to be a mod (I know not in this section, but still people look up to you, or are supposed to)

[Iron Butterfly]

Your actions spoke for themselves.

You lost. THAT is the issue.

Your dead.

Buh by

wow you're even more of an asshole then i thought.

I would like to ask all dead players to keep quite.

Also IB, please stop baiting both rodion, and zimmah. It is getting really annoying, and you are supposed to be a mod (I know not in this section, but still people look up to you, or are supposed to)

I baited no one. I should be able to discuss what happened in game with out dead folks poping in. My comments where not directed at Zimmah...at any time. But whatever.

Ive just tried to play this game to the best of my ability as best I can. If I need to mention Zimmah or Rodion it is to make a point about the game strategy.

[Leitz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9f3GSA9yfc

Nice one!

I suggest we get back on topic and find the last mafia and make this a town win! I am though keeping catnips correct suspicion of the event that wife "Ginger" might have come back as a mafia. But as this is snipers first mod came, I'm more keen to believe she was just unconscious or something like that..

I think IB, catnip & deuces to be town, so that leaves MoB & sundog. To get things going:

Unvote, vote sundog

[MoB Deadly]

Well if its down to him or me....

vote sundog

As per my previous post I was going to find quotes expressing Sundog innocence, but you know what, I'll let him defend himself instead of me feeding him answers.

[Iron Butterfly]

I don't agree with the way he played his role, but in the end he did turn town and he did investigate me the first night.

Quick noob question. Does the person being investigated normally know that they have been investigated?

No!

[Iron Butterfly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9f3GSA9yfc

Nice one!

I suggest we get back on topic and find the last mafia and make this a town win! I am though keeping catnips correct suspicion of the event that wife "Ginger" might have come back as a mafia. But as this is snipers first mod came, I'm more keen to believe she was just unconscious or something like that..

I think IB, catnip & deuces to be town, so that leaves MoB & sundog. To get things going:

Unvote, vote sundog

Why would you not look at Deuce before Sundog? The last i read from Deuce he appeared to be laughing at the fact that he was back. If I where tied to an anti town role, killed and then came back to life you would think it in my best interest to explain my present role. All we have is silence.

Sundog has made his views known through out the game.

Ive reread the logs several times. It is interesting reading knowing what we know now. The more I read them the more convinced that Sundog is Town.

[catnipdreams]

Why would you not look at Deuce before Sundog? The last i read from Deuce he appeared to be laughing at the fact that he was back. If I where tied to an anti town role, killed and then came back to life you would think it in my best interest to explain my present role. All we have is silence.

I would very much like to hear from Deuce... I was reading about this coming back to life thing, and it seems that it is common for the role to be changed. Our mod is new, but I don't think that has stopped him from putting unusual twists and turns into this game, so I think we need to allow for almost any possibility...

[MoB Deadly]

sniper - can you please prod deuces

[skillfusniper33]

sniper - can you please prod deuces

Will send that prod out

Quick Vote Count
Sundog (2) - Lietz, Mob L-2

[deuceswild222]

Bring it Mob.

[Leitz]

Bring it Mob.

What kind of input is that?

[Iron Butterfly]

Bring it Mob.

What kind of input is that?

Why would you trust Deuce over Sundog?

[Leitz]

Bring it Mob.

What kind of input is that?

Why would you trust Deuce over Sundog?

I don't anymore. I'm waiting to see what deuces will respond. If it is in a similar way my vote will change to him.

[Iron Butterfly]

I would like to know why you trusted him back then. Not now.

What was your reasoning for your initial vote for Sundog over Deuce?

[Leitz]

Like I said, because this is snipers first mafia game as a mod I believe the setup to be rather simple. The return of wife Ginger was I believe more like an awaking after being unconscious after she found her husband dead. There is a possibility she returned as scum, but because of the first time mod I didn't really think that would be the case. I'm keeping it in mind, but for now am not taking it into account. That's why I choice sundog over Deuce.

The way you've been protecting sundog I'm thinking the both of you also have a connection. Not taking in consideration deuces possible turn of camps, there is one mafia left. So that would make the both of you town.

Unvote

[deuceswild222]

You can trust me.

[Iron Butterfly]

Like I said, because this is snipers first mafia game as a mod I believe the setup to be rather simple. The return of wife Ginger was I believe more like an awaking after being unconscious after she found her husband dead. There is a possibility she returned as scum, but because of the first time mod I didn't really think that would be the case. I'm keeping it in mind, but for now am not taking it into account. That's why I choice sundog over Deuce.

The way you've been protecting sundog I'm thinking the both of you also have a connection. Not taking in consideration deuces possible turn of camps, there is one mafia left. So that would make the both of you town.

Unvote

I havn't been protecting Sundog. I am just stating the obvious. Sundog has all his commentsb on record. Deuce does not. Deuce was anti Town tied to the poisoner. He still offers nothing. If we lynch him and he is still a survivor or Vanilla Townie it is as Bad as a No lynch and would give Mafia a possible chance to get another kill. I say possible because It seems by last nights actions Town has some ammo.

Minus the drama what exactly do you consider "simple" about the set up so far?

[Leitz]

Like I said, because this is snipers first mafia game as a mod I believe the setup to be rather simple. The return of wife Ginger was I believe more like an awaking after being unconscious after she found her husband dead. There is a possibility she returned as scum, but because of the first time mod I didn't really think that would be the case. I'm keeping it in mind, but for now am not taking it into account. That's why I choice sundog over Deuce.

The way you've been protecting sundog I'm thinking the both of you also have a connection. Not taking in consideration deuces possible turn of camps, there is one mafia left. So that would make the both of you town.

Unvote

I havn't been protecting Sundog. I am just stating the obvious. Sundog has all his commentsb on record. Deuce does not. Deuce was anti Town tied to the poisoner. He still offers nothing. If we lynch him and he is still a survivor or Vanilla Townie it is as Bad as a No lynch and would give Mafia a possible chance to get another kill. I say possible because It seems by last nights actions Town has some ammo.

Minus the drama what exactly do you consider "simple" about the set up so far?

Deuces was Town Survivor, so he was not anti Town like you say, but Town linked to a 3rd party.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're first asking me why I'm voting for sundog and now you're saying that you believe lynching Deuce is as bad as a no lynch. That would leave MoB as the only option (knowing I believe you & catnip are town). Unless you believe catnip is town (and yourself obviously too) you would say vote MoB?

[deuceswild222]

Like I said, because this is snipers first mafia game as a mod I believe the setup to be rather simple. The return of wife Ginger was I believe more like an awaking after being unconscious after she found her husband dead. There is a possibility she returned as scum, but because of the first time mod I didn't really think that would be the case. I'm keeping it in mind, but for now am not taking it into account. That's why I choice sundog over Deuce.

The way you've been protecting sundog I'm thinking the both of you also have a connection. Not taking in consideration deuces possible turn of camps, there is one mafia left. So that would make the both of you town.

Unvote

I havn't been protecting Sundog. I am just stating the obvious. Sundog has all his commentsb on record. Deuce does not. Deuce was anti Town tied to the poisoner. He still offers nothing. If we lynch him and he is still a survivor or Vanilla Townie it is as Bad as a No lynch and would give Mafia a possible chance to get another kill. I say possible because It seems by last nights actions Town has some ammo.

Minus the drama what exactly do you consider "simple" about the set up so far?

Deuces was Town Survivor, so he was not anti Town like you say, but Town linked to a 3rd party.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're first asking me why I'm voting for sundog and now you're saying that you believe lynching Deuce is as bad as a no lynch. That would leave MoB as the only option (knowing I believe you & catnip are town). Unless you believe catnip is town (and yourself obviously too) you would say vote MoB?

Thank you for the backup.

[Iron Butterfly]

Like I said, because this is snipers first mafia game as a mod I believe the setup to be rather simple. The return of wife Ginger was I believe more like an awaking after being unconscious after she found her husband dead. There is a possibility she returned as scum, but because of the first time mod I didn't really think that would be the case. I'm keeping it in mind, but for now am not taking it into account. That's why I choice sundog over Deuce.

The way you've been protecting sundog I'm thinking the both of you also have a connection. Not taking in consideration deuces possible turn of camps, there is one mafia left. So that would make the both of you town.

Unvote

I havn't been protecting Sundog. I am just stating the obvious. Sundog has all his commentsb on record. Deuce does not. Deuce was anti Town tied to the poisoner. He still offers nothing. If we lynch him and he is still a survivor or Vanilla Townie it is as Bad as a No lynch and would give Mafia a possible chance to get another kill. I say possible because It seems by last nights actions Town has some ammo.

Minus the drama what exactly do you consider "simple" about the set up so far?

Deuces was Town Survivor, so he was not anti Town like you say, but Town linked to a 3rd party.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're first asking me why I'm voting for sundog and now you're saying that you believe lynching Deuce is as bad as a no lynch. That would leave MoB as the only option (knowing I believe you & catnip are town). Unless you believe catnip is town (and yourself obviously too) you would say vote MoB?

There are a variety of possibilities. I am just trying to understand which is most proboble, which is why I dont want to rush.

[Leitz]

Thank you for the backup.

I'm still waiting for you to give a useful input! Did you're resurrection give you some information? Who do you feel is likely to be the last mafia?

[Leitz]

There are a variety of possibilities. I am just trying to understand which is most proboble, which is why I dont want to rush.

Alright, sounds reasonable. I'll be looking forward reading your opinion!

[catnipdreams]

We haven't really discussed night 2 - aside from the mod kill, TWO other people were killed - do we have two mafia killers? One mafia killer and one "other" killer, either town or third party? Is it important that we try to figure this out?