Masli [closed]

[eddie2]

Pretty disturbing stuff here. This makes what Blitz did look like nothing.

rofl abuse a friends account(site one or not) or bust a multi blitz was still worse.

[TheForgivenOne]

Man, if I ever become a Multi Hunter, I guess i'm going to have to check every single opponent before I join a game. People think that all mods protect other mods NO MATTER WHAT. I believe that is crap, as I remember a former chat mod relieved of his duties due to game chat issues. I never supported it, and i'm pretty damn sure no other mod did. Am I defending Masli? A bit, because we don't know the full story, as we only know the one side of the story presented by the OP's. If Masli is truly doing this just to gain points, then my respect for him will have gone quite done, and I will be on the border of him relieving his duties, and giving him a second chance.

[betiko]

If you speak spanish as well as I speak swedish gordon it would be better not to try going that way to make a point!

I don't know how the whole process of IP scanning for multi hunting works, but I see no reason why you would need to enter a game. I don't think evil semp does that for example. Busting them after 5 minutes means about a turn. how can you guess in 1 turn that the guy is multi not seing it before? who has busted masli's opponents during masli's game? is it always the same other multi hunter?

Secondly, what needs to be a written rule here? the coffee is a very bad example. it's more likea very good cop who has busted lots of drug dealers, and that would have a big acusation of keeping money to himself out of the bursts he does. Might be a wrong accusation, but if it's true, you cannot leave this cop on the street just because he's caught lots of bad guys. he gets stripped from his badge and no more catching bad guys. Trust is something you only get once; it's like a mirror, once it's broken it will keep it's crack forever.

[John Deere]

Man, if I ever become a Multi Hunter, I guess i'm going to have to check every single opponent before I join a game.

thats foolish, we arent talking about this happening once or twice, we are talking about 68% of all his 1 v 1's in the last 16 games (2 months) to act as if that could be an accident is foolish as BEST! But hey you can keep the wool over your eyes, but i choose to notice the obvious and not look stupid.

[Night Strike]

It is beginning to appear that all of the members of The Pack are out on this case in retribution for them not earning some clan medals. I guess vengeance is sweet for them.

[John Deere]

It is beginning to appear that all of the members of The Pack are out on this case in retribution for them not earning some clan medals. I guess vengeance is sweet for them.

Yes pay no attention to facts, and what is right or wrong.....BRB gotta sharpen this ax.....

[Night Strike]

It is beginning to appear that all of the members of The Pack are out on this case in retribution for them not earning some clan medals. I guess vengeance is sweet for them.

Yes pay no attention to facts, and what is right or wrong.....BRB gotta sharpen this ax.....

I had read (and commented in private) on this case way before The Pack came out for their vengeance.

[EagleofGreenErth]

Im not affiliated with any guild but C'MON... this is blatantly obvious... when I was general I was RELUCTANT to join 1v1s against low ranks because of the risk associated with it... a loss against them equals a HUGE POINT LOSS... You just dont do that unless you KNOW you are set to win the game.

And knowing that the enemy player is a multi within TWO MINUTES of joining? WELL WHY'D YOU JOIN IF IT ONLY TOOK YOU THAT LONG TO FIGURE IT OUT?

As I said before, I saw this abuse and commented on it in another thread days before it was reported... its clear what the intentions were, I just thought you guys looked the other way on it... which of course is not cool for those who are wanting a top spot on the scoreboard!

EDIT- That being said, I dont support the actions of those harassing the mods either... but I don't support the mods saying this isn't an obvious case of abuse!

[Metsfanmax]

But hey you can keep the wool over your eyes, but i choose to notice the obvious and not look stupid.

Make up your mind here: is this is a mod conspiracy to protect other mods, or are the mods too stupid to notice what's happening? Pick a story, please.

[jgordon1111]

lol Betiko did you possibly notice I didnt rotate the nouns and verbs,but yes I still speak it very well,for many years got to the point where I was actually thinking in spanish due to my home life circumstances and my job at the time.My whole point is that it is still not specifically mentioned even as one of the unwritten rules just as farming lower ranked players isn't and yet that continues,secondly when you abuse the rules by flaming knowing it is part of the unwritten rules dont call someone else out on rules abuse,Third if you think your smarter than me be sure your ego doesn't overload you actual intellect and call me on it,in alot of cases I will dust up with you.Fourth when starting your new career as a truck driver be sure to drink coffee and know where the blue rest area ahead signs are.All this is moot due to the simple fact this is soley an internal issue and not for us to call for anything but an investigation if we believe it is wrong.We have no right to expect to be judge jury and executioner in an internal problem.

[GeneralRisk]

If it smells like shit....it looks like shit....more than likely it is shit. All these fools whitewashing this thing is absolutely ridiculous.

[John Deere]

But hey you can keep the wool over your eyes, but i choose to notice the obvious and not look stupid.

Make up your mind here: is this is a mod conspiracy to protect other mods, or are the mods too stupid to notice what's happening? Pick a story, please.

Please show me where i said that?

[karel]

think its a cover up

[tec805]

It is beginning to appear that all of the members of The Pack are out on this case in retribution for them not earning some clan medals. I guess vengeance is sweet for them.

Well duh, of course we are enjoying seeing him get caught with his hand in the cookie jar after his lopsided support of cheme's obvious bias against us. Medals mean nothing to me, but that isn't the same for all people.

On topic:
Masli likes his rank just as much as most people and is doing something on the side to help it out. Things in life are seldom black and white, but his little loop hole to not-lose-lots/gain-a-little would put all the MH's at the top of the scoreboard if it was allowed to continue. You would find each MH joining games any time a multi was reported, then kick them or ask another MH to kick them. It would become a MH type of race, see who could find the most multi's and get in their games before they get kicked. There could even be a new medal for games won by kicking multi's. If it wasn't for all the time involved in doing thankless task I'd bet the applications to become a MH would skyrocket!

I'm really surprised this hasn't been locked yet.

[jchamp]

Whatever the outcome of this case, I think that it would be wise to disclose as much of the investigation as possible.

[betiko]

lol Betiko did you possibly notice I didnt rotate the nouns and verbs,but yes I still speak it very well,for many years got to the point where I was actually thinking in spanish due to my home life circumstances and my job at the time.My whole point is that it is still not specifically mentioned even as one of the unwritten rules just as farming lower ranked players isn't and yet that continues,secondly when you abuse the rules by flaming knowing it is part of the unwritten rules dont call someone else out on rules abuse,Third if you think your smarter than me be sure your ego doesn't overload you actual intellect and call me on it,in alot of cases I will dust up with you.Fourth when starting your new career as a truck driver be sure to drink coffee and know where the blue rest area ahead signs are.All this is moot due to the simple fact this is soley an internal issue and not for us to call for anything but an investigation if we believe it is wrong.We have no right to expect to be judge jury and executioner in an internal problem.

Gordon I kind of like you and we never had problems one with the other, but I kind of feel you are crossing a line here.
I don't think I've been flaming anyone in this thread (might have just tickled a bit jefjef), but you are.
I haven't insulted your intelligence, but yes, if you tried to speak Spanish there I would objectively suggest you not to give it another try, because it isn't even remotely close to Spanish (comming from someone who is half Spanish and knows what he is talking about).

Secondly, night strike, I appreciate that you don't like to see people refering to the mods as one and only entity thinking the same and backing each other up no matter what. 4-5 pack members have given their personal opinion in here as individuals out of the 20+ members, and no one in here, including the clan leaders JD and Ollie here have made their statements in the name of the clan.
KOA members have also been giving their opinions in here and aren't giving it in the name of their clan either, but as individuals.
take it as a "clan vendetta" if you want, but this is just a sum of opinions, none of us is responsible or has to fully agree with what fellow clan members think, just like you as a mod or clan member.

[Gypsys Kiss]

lol Betiko did you possibly notice I didnt rotate the nouns and verbs,but yes I still speak it very well,for many years got to the point where I was actually thinking in spanish due to my home life circumstances and my job at the time.My whole point is that it is still not specifically mentioned even as one of the unwritten rules just as farming lower ranked players isn't and yet that continues,secondly when you abuse the rules by flaming knowing it is part of the unwritten rules dont call someone else out on rules abuse,Third if you think your smarter than me be sure your ego doesn't overload you actual intellect and call me on it,in alot of cases I will dust up with you.Fourth when starting your new career as a truck driver be sure to drink coffee and know where the blue rest area ahead signs are.All this is moot due to the simple fact this is soley an internal issue and not for us to call for anything but an investigation if we believe it is wrong.We have no right to expect to be judge jury and executioner in an internal problem.

Gordon I kind of like you and we never had problems one with the other, but I kind of feel you are crossing a line here.
I don't think I've been flaming anyone in this thread (might have just tickled a bit jefjef), but you are.
I haven't insulted your intelligence, but yes, if you tried to speak Spanish there I would objectively suggest you not to give it another try, because it isn't even remotely close to Spanish (comming from someone who is half Spanish and knows what he is talking about).

Secondly, night strike, I appreciate that you don't like to see people refering to the mods as one and only entity thinking the same and backing each other up no matter what. 4-5 pack members have given their personal opinion in here as individuals out of the 20+ members, and no one in here, including the clan leaders JD and Ollie here have made their statements in the name of the clan.
KOA members have also been giving their opinions in here and aren't giving it in the name of their clan either, but as individuals.
take it as a "clan vendetta" if you want, but this is just a sum of opinions, none of us is responsible or has to fully agree with what fellow clan members think, just like you as a mod or clan member.

But its okay for Ollie to say that anyone who disagrees with him is a 'groupie mod lover' and are only going to flame and bait?

I would have thought that after your 'medal stripping' experience, you and yours would be against kangaroo courts.



On a lighter note.......Jef and eddie fighting on the same side.... I never would have thunk it

[Great-Ollie]

But its okay for Ollie to say that anyone who disagrees with him is a 'groupie mod lover' and are only going to flame and bait?

Really man, where did i say anyone that agrees with me is a mod lover, quit trying to stir the pot with me, i am frustrated with the mods yes, so let me voice my opinion without trying to bait me please.

[betiko]

you are probably right gypsy, but I think that you noticed in our war thread that lots of us do like posting a bit too much..

anyway, for some people this is just like accepting a free coffee, for others it's like staching drug money in your pocket (again, if proven guilty), none of us is going to make the others change their opinion; and it doesn't really matter because it's not our call to make, on either side. This will be my last post in this thread and merry christmas to all.

[GoranZ]

One question if you were on his place would you have done exactly like him or you would have done it differently?

That's actually an important part of this business, and one that people are overlooking. There are only two ways Masli can change his behavior, assuming he checks for multis before the game is over: he can either not bust them at all (this is silly), or he can wait until the end of the game (and so the multi gets to abuse site privileges for longer). Alternatively, he could check everyone he plays before joining the game -- but this an onerous requirement to put on a MH, and obviously he can't do that for games he starts.

Out of all irregular games Masli didn't start a single one... And there is no need for Masli to change, he can watch how others do the MH job properly.

Goran,it's a morality issue what I would do is not relevant,Did masli do wrong is only relevant and if he did which there is nothing to say he did.When he did it there are no specific rules in place therefore did he think it was wrong.

According to me what he did is wrong, if you can't see it its not my problem.

[jgordon1111]

gypsy I dont think ollie is the one that made the statement you are talking about,Goran there you have it,you think what he did(if he did it) was wrong according to your own personal morale code,everyones morales are different what if Masli did not see wrong in what he was doing because there is no definition in CC that says it is wrong.If true how can you punish someone for something they did not do against the rules,when there isnt a rule against it.You know how it simple you go to them say hey look we as admin have decided what you did if you did it is wrong.as of now we are adding this to the unwritten rules,but because it wasnt there before you get the standard warning,dont do it again.thats what I would do if in charge.

[king achilles]

Obviously, the same mob lynch from the original thread chooses what they want to read and understand only. Anything that is against their own opinion is wrong and ignored. This thread is locked again and will be merged in the original one.

If Masli hasn't made any new games of the same nature since this report was made, then quit spamming the forums. If I see another new report of the same thing, you will get your well-deserved Christmas gift.

Try to enjoy the Holidays in a different way than this.

Update: for those of you who want to see this pending, I have marked it as such.

[king achilles]

During the investigation, Masli has decided to step down from being a C&A moderator.

I would still like to thank him for being a volunteer since May 2010, and during that time he has contributed a lot of good to the website in the form of Chat Modding, Clan Directing, and of course as a very active Multi Hunter.

We have always encouraged volunteers to be proactive in performing their duties on Conquer Club. This sort of self motivation and determination is a critical aspect of volunteering, and we look for this in all our volunteers.

As for eye84free, he did not know that the player he was joining a game into was a multi at the time. He was not obligated to check a player first before joining a game and this is the case for him. If he does check the player afterward, he only did his duty as a hunter. There was no malicious intention on his part.

After discussing this report with the other administrators, we can agree that busting multi accounts when they are in-game opponents has the possibility of looking suspicious. Eye84free, didn't bother to check the account first before joining the games. Masli was performing his Multi Hunter duties while operating in a grey area where specific guidelines were never formally clarified. In error, we did not specify when, or who, should perform a background check for in-game opponents. Generally, the hunters were not in any obligation to check if a player is a multi or not before joining a game.

We realize that our own lack of guidance contributed to this situation. So, to prevent this from happening again, we have updated and clarified our policies:

Hunters will not bust, directly or indirectly, in-game opponents they have identified as multis. If there is a public report about the suspect user, another multi hunter will take over the case and make the bust. This policy can be found here.