The SquirrelMasters' Quest (25/25) Night 1~A quick getaway

[zimmah]

Nonetheless, we must strive to lynch as few townies as humanly possible to conserve our power, as I think we have some rather formidable opponents.

-Sully

but acting scummy when under pressure does not help avoiding the lynch of townies.

[ghostly447]

I think his argument could have gone with a little less language, but I will say unvote because I do not see anything more Tails main accusers can go on. I could not find a flaw in his argument (though it is day 1, so of course he and thegeneral have a place in my lists as a major case) for today, so I do not see any reason to continue pressuring.

Im not sure when the dead line is due up (I was about to check) but I think it is drawing too close for comfort. Is there any way we could be given another 3-5 days to conclude day 1 so we can maybe add another major case onto the list and try to find a solid vote we want to cast?

[chapcrap]

Tails, saying that didn't have a single thing to add after you called 2112 a noob is a bad argument. Especially VS asked you who would go after in the next post and then I called you out on the fact that 2112 wasn't a noob in the post after that. You just completely disappeared. You didn't have anything to say in response to those?

Tails initial post: viewtopic.php?f=213&t=157738&p=3494798#p3494798
VS's post: viewtopic.php?f=213&t=157738&p=3494798#p3494803
my post: viewtopic.php?f=213&t=157738&p=3494798#p3494807

FASTPOSTED

[Mr. Squirrel]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

[spiesr]

even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?

i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).

So what, do you want townies to just rollover when pressure builds up on them?

[TheGeneral2112]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

Thanks for the VC!

Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...

Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...

[chapcrap]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

Thanks for the VC!

Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...

Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...

Hey, I was wondering if you remembered this post:

I just caught up from the past 2 days. Got my wisdom teeth out and I'm a little behind.

Anyway, seems like Doom is maybe taking it a little too far. However, I do agree that follow the cop will work in nothing other than a C9 game. This is definitely not that setup. I think that 2112 has realized that by now. And I'm pretty sure he wants to win. That was a silly argument to even make.

My PM does talk of a specific race.

I don't think I have much else to comment on. Seems like a lot of the same back and forth with a little Sully craziness thrown in.

I will say that I agree with / about Tail, so I guess I'll go ahead and Attack Tail.

Or the one that I can't find right now where someone not only said they had a race role, they specifically said that it was an orc as well.

[MoB Deadly]

I will verify I am not a human being.

[safariguy5]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

Thanks for the VC!

Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...

Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...

Way to skim there bud. And honestly, I personally think Sully is pretty much bandwagonning his way through this game, but I think jonty/tails/hippo seems to be the main case right now.

even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?

i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).

Ionno zimmah, apparently it depends on the townie. Because I made a similar argument when we had the doc claim that the most important thing was to protect the VIP, but now you're generalizing saying that any townie loss is acceptable. Please clarify position.

Honestly, I personally feel that as long as the VIP is alive, town has a fighting chance. And with 21 townies and this being a NV game, I figure we have multiple protective and investigative roles.

[pancakemix]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

Thanks for the VC!

Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...

Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...

Iliad is notorious for sparse activity. I wouldn't read too much into that.

Also, by the looks of it, the race issue is beginning to clear up.

[thehippo8]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

Thanks for the VC!

Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...

Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...

Way to skim there bud. And honestly, I personally think Sully is pretty much bandwagonning his way through this game, but I think jonty/tails/hippo seems to be the main case right now.

even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?

i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).

Ionno zimmah, apparently it depends on the townie. Because I made a similar argument when we had the doc claim that the most important thing was to protect the VIP, but now you're generalizing saying that any townie loss is acceptable. Please clarify position.

Honestly, I personally feel that as long as the VIP is alive, town has a fighting chance. And with 21 townies and this being a NV game, I figure we have multiple protective and investigative roles.

I have to agree with you there Saf, the purpose of the game is for town to outlive scum. If there is one VT left then it's still a town win! I accept that investigatory and protective roles are powerful, but you can't beat the end goal. But I am at a loss to see why you included me in the list of meaningful leads!? Looking at the current tally, there is almost a tie between Sully and Tails. Yet you don't include Sully in your list of people i=on your list?! You include jonty, but I can't see your justification there wither. By implication you even appear to be wanting to steer away from tails so that leaves you leaving Sully off your list as being an even more glaring omission. Maybe I'm missing something so, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'll let you explain before considering how I feel about this.

[zimmah]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

Thanks for the VC!

Nice to see that iliad is still voting the town doc...

Also looks like everyone completely ignored my argument about saf making up his role race. Since only one person was able to say they have a race in their role pm, I think my argument holds a little bit of water here...

Way to skim there bud. And honestly, I personally think Sully is pretty much bandwagonning his way through this game, but I think jonty/tails/hippo seems to be the main case right now.

even tho jonties post is quite weird, i'd say tails is overreacting. would the loss of 1 town really hurt this much in a game this big? if he was town, would he really be so overly defensive and aggresive and emotional about people pressuring him?

i mean i'd be quite sad if i got killed/lynched early in this game because i like this game a lot and it'd be a pity if i can't play it till the end or at least till midgame or so, but even then, i wouldn't be all aggresive about it, i'll just join another game and keep track of what's going on her (and the occasional urge to want to be involved in the conversation but not being able to do so because you're dead).

Ionno zimmah, apparently it depends on the townie. Because I made a similar argument when we had the doc claim that the most important thing was to protect the VIP, but now you're generalizing saying that any townie loss is acceptable. Please clarify position.

Honestly, I personally feel that as long as the VIP is alive, town has a fighting chance. And with 21 townies and this being a NV game, I figure we have multiple protective and investigative roles.

I have to agree with you there Saf, the purpose of the game is for town to outlive scum. If there is one VT left then it's still a town win! I accept that investigatory and protective roles are powerful, but you can't beat the end goal. But I am at a loss to see why you included me in the list of meaningful leads!? Looking at the current tally, there is almost a tie between Sully and Tails. Yet you don't include Sully in your list of people i=on your list?! You include jonty, but I can't see your justification there wither. By implication you even appear to be wanting to steer away from tails so that leaves you leaving Sully off your list as being an even more glaring omission. Maybe I'm missing something so, giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'll let you explain before considering how I feel about this.

hmm, strange indeed, his vote is on sully, and he picks 3 main cases, of which 1 has no votes at all against him at this point of time (you), another one is actually a main case with most votes, and about jonty i'm not sure, i wouldn't call it a main case, but it's maybe a case worth looking into.

it's a pity we don't get any deadline extension tho, i feel this is the most active thread and the deadline will just limit the amount of leads we can chase.

[safariguy5]

I'm listing hippo with jonty and tails because I consider 1 case and 3 people are caught up in it. Personally, I'd like to pursue Sully more, but I'm not going to try and deadlock the voting. If everyone believes tails or jonty or someone else is a better case to pursue, I will change votes to get a claim.

[trinicardinal]

I'm still not happy with what we have gotten from spiesr but at this time that is not going anywhere. Time is running out and we need to get some more information. Tails and Victor both have also had some questionable posts but given that Tails has a slight lead in the race I agree with adding some more pressure on him first and we can deal with Sully another time. so Attack tailgunner.

Also Today is my last day at work for a while. I'm on vacation until the 9th of January. I'll try to log in and provide input as often as I can though.

[jonty125]

I'm going to FOS Tails until I see a vote count 'cos he has made no effort to defend himself.

I admit Tails your case is hard to defend against but I felt you could have provided a bit better than "THAT CAN'T BE PROVEN OR DISPROVED"

Yea, I'm not sure if jonty was trolling, skimming or actually thought that. Either way, it is the best case we have right now.

attack jonty

Doom why did you wait for VS to attack me and then you followed. You made two posts after my FOS of tails and didn't bring me up once and then VS attacks and me and you follow suit, care to elaborate.

[edocsil]

Ya know, I am going to put my neck out here and say the case against tails really blows. He has said everything that can be said to counter an argument like that and you more or less ignore it. I am looking at you jonty.

My vote has been on victor from nearly the joke vote stage, and there it will remain. He basically admitted to being one of the heroes and then wrote it off as jest. I think he is out best hope for a "scum" lynch today.

[DoomYoshi]

I'm going to FOS Tails until I see a vote count 'cos he has made no effort to defend himself.

I admit Tails your case is hard to defend against but I felt you could have provided a bit better than "THAT CAN'T BE PROVEN OR DISPROVED"

Yea, I'm not sure if jonty was trolling, skimming or actually thought that. Either way, it is the best case we have right now.

attack jonty

Doom why did you wait for VS to attack me and then you followed. You made two posts after my FOS of tails and didn't bring me up once and then VS attacks and me and you follow suit, care to elaborate.

This close to the deadline, it is pointless to vote unless there is some community support behind it. I waited to see if others would join, and some more thought on my own part ended in your vote.

If saying something can't be disproved isn't enough, what is enough? Can yourovide exactly what sort of defense would clear tails in your mind? Unless you can, my vote sticks.

[DoomYoshi]

I'm going to FOS Tails until I see a vote count 'cos he has made no effort to defend himself.

I admit Tails your case is hard to defend against but I felt you could have provided a bit better than "THAT CAN'T BE PROVEN OR DISPROVED"

Yea, I'm not sure if jonty was trolling, skimming or actually thought that. Either way, it is the best case we have right now.

attack jonty

Doom why did you wait for VS to attack me and then you followed. You made two posts after my FOS of tails and didn't bring me up once and then VS attacks and me and you follow suit, care to elaborate.

This close to the deadline, it is pointless to vote unless there is some community support behind it. I waited to see if others would join, and some more thought on my own part ended in your vote.

If saying something can't be disproved isn't enough, what is enough? Can you provide exactly what sort of defense would clear tails in your mind? Unless you can, my vote sticks.

EBWOP

[ghostly447]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
jonty (2) - victor, doomyoshi
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (5) - PCM, edocsil, spiesr, safariguy, drunkmonkey
spiesr (2) - jonty, trinicardinal
thegeneral (1) - iliad,
safariguy (1) - thegeneral
tailgunner (6) - /, chapcrap, ghostly, soundman, zimmah, thehippo

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline Wednesday

Sorry guys, no deadline extension. This day is starting to drag on and I don't want this to turn into a 50 page day 1 like briarsburg.

Just want to make it clear, I unvoted a couple posts up from this. Just dont want to be getting confused.

I think his argument could have gone with a little less language, but I will say unvote because I do not see anything more Tails main accusers can go on. I could not find a flaw in his argument (though it is day 1, so of course he and thegeneral have a place in my lists as a major case) for today, so I do not see any reason to continue pressuring.

Im not sure when the dead line is due up (I was about to check) but I think it is drawing too close for comfort. Is there any way we could be given another 3-5 days to conclude day 1 so we can maybe add another major case onto the list and try to find a solid vote we want to cast?

[Victor Sullivan]

safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.

In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.

-Sully

[safariguy5]

safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.

In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.

-Sully

Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.

I have no idea how you find me playing uncharacteristically...being active and scumhunting? I've been playing pretty chracteristically for myself, but you started out the day with a jokevote no lynch which I've not seen you do, and I based suspicions starting there. So I think I'm playing pretty characteristically and you are not.

[Victor Sullivan]

safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.

In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.

-Sully

Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.

I have no idea how you find me playing uncharacteristically...being active and scumhunting? I've been playing pretty chracteristically for myself, but you started out the day with a jokevote no lynch which I've not seen you do, and I based suspicions starting there. So I think I'm playing pretty characteristically and you are not.

I don't understand why anyone would take a joke vote at face value. That logic doesn't make sense to me, especially considering I'm really not that stupid when it comes to mafia.

-Sully

[spiesr]

In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now).

It may have something to do with who most of the votes of you (like mine or edocsil's) have been there for a long time, at that the case hasn't moved forward for quite a while.

[safariguy5]

safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.

In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.

-Sully

Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.

I have no idea how you find me playing uncharacteristically...being active and scumhunting? I've been playing pretty chracteristically for myself, but you started out the day with a jokevote no lynch which I've not seen you do, and I based suspicions starting there. So I think I'm playing pretty characteristically and you are not.

I don't understand why anyone would take a joke vote at face value. That logic doesn't make sense to me, especially considering I'm really not that stupid when it comes to mafia.

-Sully

Jokevote is jokevote, but you never voted for a person, you voted for a no lynch. Which is unusual, even if you were joking. Definitely not what you usually do.

[Victor Sullivan]

safari, I find your approach in this game exceedingly uncharacteristic of you. I've been bandwagoned on enough Day 1s to know this is not typical. Frankly, I find your aggressiveness reminiscent of TheGeneral from soundman's mafia. In most Day 1 wagons against me, everyone generally comes to a consensus that I'm a scumzor. This case against me doesn't have as much heart in it, and it seems you're really trying to push people my way, which I find peculiar in its uncharacteristic-ness for both you and the case as a whole. It's not damning, necessarily, but it certainly seems out of place.

In addition, safari, I don't quite understand why you say my case is out of the limelight while I have the second most votes, then say that jonty and hippo are main cases (with 2 and no votes) equally with Tails (the most votes: 6, 7 now). Again, peculiar, but not damning. And I frankly don't find Tails or hippo particularly scummy. I'd probably pick jonty and zimmah as my two, given jonty's weak, unfounded arguments against Tails and zimmah's strange behaviors with seemingly defending certain parties (TheGeneral comes to mind, though I know there was another; perhaps Tails) with no clear reasons for his doing so. And while I enjoy zimmah's increased activity in comparison to some of the games he was previously in, it airs on the side of scumminess in my book, though admittedly this is more gut feeling as the reasoning is largely WIFOM.

-Sully

Most of the discussion has revolved around jonty/tails/hippo. A few people have brought you up as a lead, but we haven't really gotten much good discussion on it.

I have no idea how you find me playing uncharacteristically...being active and scumhunting? I've been playing pretty chracteristically for myself, but you started out the day with a jokevote no lynch which I've not seen you do, and I based suspicions starting there. So I think I'm playing pretty characteristically and you are not.

I don't understand why anyone would take a joke vote at face value. That logic doesn't make sense to me, especially considering I'm really not that stupid when it comes to mafia.

-Sully

Jokevote is jokevote, but you never voted for a person, you voted for a no lynch. Which is unusual, even if you were joking. Definitely not what you usually do.

I was making a Homestar Runner reference (which I guess no one got). I really don't see how you can take that as a serious intention.

-Sully