Marxists Thread

[Anarchy Ninja]

So Anarchist, do you really need the computer your sitting at?

I'm still not liking this whole "taking the USSR to represent Marxism thing... WHICH IT DIDN'T AND NEVER DID!" thing, but... ya heard of Sputnik? Crazy commies figured out a computer or two.

What?

Sputnik was the first Soviet sattelite.

I know. He has no idea what my point was though. Anarchy keeps saying people should only keep what they need, but he doesn't need a computer, so he is in violation of his own doctrine

i said "give what you can take only what you need" sure i dont need my computer in the sense you are refering to but is that any reasons to throw it out? you obviously misinterpreted the message. there are lots of things that people do not need thats no reason to not have them is it?

[foolish_yeti]

It takes hard work and having to apply yourself, something it seems you are unwilling to do.

Actually I'm less than three weeks away from completing my second degree with no debt- nice try, though

[Anarchy Ninja]

I believe that the communists will be sick of living in communism and move to the capitalistic city. This has been done before. See: Berlin, 1946-1989.

how many people have already told you that was NOT COMMUNISM

[spurgistan]

So Anarchist, do you really need the computer your sitting at?

I'm still not liking this whole "taking the USSR to represent Marxism thing... WHICH IT DIDN'T AND NEVER DID!" thing, but... ya heard of Sputnik? Crazy commies figured out a computer or two.

Do you believe they would have developed these things without the pressure brought on them from the worlds democracies?

If by that you mean the exact opposite, than you're right, as Sputnik, the world's first man-made satellite, forced the West to consider how an "inferior" economic system had bested them, and forced them to redouble their space program to prove to the world that capitalism was better. So, pressure from the Soviet sphere forced the ... ahem... [stifled giggle]... "democracies" [bursts into laughter] to reconsider their system.

[everywhere116]

It takes hard work and having to apply yourself, something it seems you are unwilling to do.

Actually I'm less than three weeks away from completing my second degree with no debt- nice try, though

And I congratulate you. But, what's this? Applying yourself? Getting an education? Things that we are telling you and everyone you represent to do?

[ksslemp]

if it where at all viable i would propose setting up 2 independent cities
1 can live in communist utopia, the other can live in a capitilist society
i personally believe that if the capitilist society would either destroy them selves in a revoloution or after using all their resource attempt to kill the communists

Please put the capitalist city close the communist one, I'd hate to have the communists have to travel too far for spare parts.

No Offense meant!

[foolish_yeti]

so we should equalize everything? Using your logic, a game of risk should start with everyone moving simultanueosly and everyone owning the same territories on a symmetrical board

Not sure what risk has to do with this. At birth what made you more deserving of your privileges than the next baby? Do I think everyone should have an opportunity for success? Yes.

[everywhere116]

I believe that the communists will be sick of living in communism and move to the capitalistic city. This has been done before. See: Berlin, 1946-1989.

how many people have already told you that was NOT COMMUNISM

Then define communism and what the USSR was.

[DIRESTRAITS]

my last post before I go to bed. There are 3 things a person needs to do to "break the cycle" and get out of povert.
1) GET EDUCATED!!!!!!(you can do it)
2) don't have babies before you're ready (use a condom)
3) Don't get into drugs

[foolish_yeti]

And I congratulate you. But, what's this? Applying yourself? Getting an education? Things that we are telling you and everyone you represent to do?

Not sure who I represent to you...

But I am privileged. I recognize that I have had much more help in succeeding than many students can ever hope to get.

[Anarchy Ninja]

if it where at all viable i would propose setting up 2 independent cities
1 can live in communist utopia, the other can live in a capitilist society
i personally believe that if the capitilist society would either destroy them selves in a revoloution or after using all their resource attempt to kill the communists

Please put the capitalist city close the communist one, I'd hate to have the communists have to travel too far for spare parts.

No Offense meant!

the capitalist city would be welcom to come as close as they wish, they might learn how to run an utopian society

[Anarchy Ninja]

I believe that the communists will be sick of living in communism and move to the capitalistic city. This has been done before. See: Berlin, 1946-1989.

how many people have already told you that was NOT COMMUNISM

Then define communism and what the USSR was.

its kind of in the name you know, united soviet SOCIALIST republic

[ksslemp]

So Anarchist, do you really need the computer your sitting at?

I'm still not liking this whole "taking the USSR to represent Marxism thing... WHICH IT DIDN'T AND NEVER DID!" thing, but... ya heard of Sputnik? Crazy commies figured out a computer or two.

Do you believe they would have developed these things without the pressure brought on them from the worlds democracies?

If by that you mean the exact opposite, than you're right, as Sputnik, the world's first man-made satellite, forced the West to consider how an "inferior" economic system had bested them, and forced them to redouble their space program to prove to the world that capitalism was better. So, pressure from the Soviet sphere forced the ... ahem... [stifled giggle]... "democracies" [bursts into laughter] to reconsider their system.

If indeed you believe this, I feel sorry for you.
Don't fear Truth, Embrace it!

Sputnik was a paper tiger.

[everywhere116]

And I congratulate you. But, what's this? Applying yourself? Getting an education? Things that we are telling you and everyone you represent to do?

Not sure who I represent to you...

But I am privileged. I recognize that I have had much more help in succeeding than many students can ever hope to get.

To me you represent the liberals and their stance you are taking.

But I thought school was free, and, in fact, forced? How can you deny they cannot get an education?

[everywhere116]

I believe that the communists will be sick of living in communism and move to the capitalistic city. This has been done before. See: Berlin, 1946-1989.

how many people have already told you that was NOT COMMUNISM

Then define communism and what the USSR was.

its kind of in the name you know, united soviet SOCIALIST republic

Thats not defining it. I mean, how did thier systems differ?

[DIRESTRAITS]

so we should equalize everything? Using your logic, a game of risk should start with everyone moving simultanueosly and everyone owning the same territories on a symmetrical board

Not sure what risk has to do with this. At birth what made you more deserving of your privileges than the next baby? Do I think everyone should have an opportunity for success? Yes.

okay, I lied. This is my last post for real. Yes, Everyone should have a chance at success, which they do in capitalism. But if you even everything out from the start, when the two babies grow up, they will be forced to live under the same conditions as each other, even if one person is more talented that the other. This creates a society completely made up of lower middle class people. By giving everybody an equal chance to succeed, you are giving no one a chance.

[spurgistan]

I believe that the communists will be sick of living in communism and move to the capitalistic city. This has been done before. See: Berlin, 1946-1989.

how many people have already told you that was NOT COMMUNISM

Then define communism and what the USSR was.

Man, I am b.o.r.e.d.
Anyways, the differences between Russian-style communism (boo!) and Marxism (yay!) are far too many for me to document at 2:13 with two papers due tomorrow ( ) but I highly suggest you talk around (and by talk around, I don't mean a forum on a Risk website). Socialism has some very interesting aspects to it, and it'd be worth getting to know better.

[Anarchy Ninja]

So Anarchist, do you really need the computer your sitting at?

I'm still not liking this whole "taking the USSR to represent Marxism thing... WHICH IT DIDN'T AND NEVER DID!" thing, but... ya heard of Sputnik? Crazy commies figured out a computer or two.

Do you believe they would have developed these things without the pressure brought on them from the worlds democracies?

If by that you mean the exact opposite, than you're right, as Sputnik, the world's first man-made satellite, forced the West to consider how an "inferior" economic system had bested them, and forced them to redouble their space program to prove to the world that capitalism was better. So, pressure from the Soviet sphere forced the ... ahem... [stifled giggle]... "democracies" [bursts into laughter] to reconsider their system.

If indeed you believe this, I feel sorry for you.
Don't fear Truth, Embrace it!

Sputnik was a paper tiger.

on the topic of space suprerioty you know whats funny. all the US style space shuttles are grounded because they keep finding faults with them, yet the old russian space rocket design seems to continue to perform

[ksslemp]

I believe that the communists will be sick of living in communism and move to the capitalistic city. This has been done before. See: Berlin, 1946-1989.

how many people have already told you that was NOT COMMUNISM

Then define communism and what the USSR was.

its kind of in the name you know, united soviet SOCIALIST republic

And like the "Democratic Republic of North Korea"

[foolish_yeti]

my last post before I go to bed. There are 3 things a person needs to do to "break the cycle" and get out of povert.
1) GET EDUCATED!!!!!!(you can do it)
2) don't have babies before you're ready (use a condom)
3) Don't get into drugs

Just a question- if poor people are poor because of lack of education and motivation, then it would also follow that racial minorities are inherently stupid and lazy.

And we're not even looking outside of North America here.

Have fun getting an education if you live in a developing country. My god, how can entire countries be stupid and lazy? If only they'd pull up their bootstraps and hit the books!

I apologize at the sarcasm.

[everywhere116]

This is because there is no capitalism there. Name one poverty stricken country. (I am not denying that there arent any, I just want to reveal something about it.)

[everywhere116]

And I congratulate you. But, what's this? Applying yourself? Getting an education? Things that we are telling you and everyone you represent to do?

Not sure who I represent to you...

But I am privileged. I recognize that I have had much more help in succeeding than many students can ever hope to get.

To me you represent the liberals and their stance you are taking.

But I thought school was free, and, in fact, forced? How can you deny they cannot get an education?

Will a commie please respond to this?

[Anarchy Ninja]

I believe that the communists will be sick of living in communism and move to the capitalistic city. This has been done before. See: Berlin, 1946-1989.

how many people have already told you that was NOT COMMUNISM

Then define communism and what the USSR was.

its kind of in the name you know, united soviet SOCIALIST republic

And like the "Democratic Republic of North Korea"

from memory the USSR was under entirely different system then communism and marxist it was defined as leninist or marxist-leninist, because they are differing systems. marxist is a form of socialism, socialism is supposed to be before communism as it is implemented before there is enough of everything for everyone.

[ksslemp]

So Anarchist, do you really need the computer your sitting at?

I'm still not liking this whole "taking the USSR to represent Marxism thing... WHICH IT DIDN'T AND NEVER DID!" thing, but... ya heard of Sputnik? Crazy commies figured out a computer or two.

Do you believe they would have developed these things without the pressure brought on them from the worlds democracies?

If by that you mean the exact opposite, than you're right, as Sputnik, the world's first man-made satellite, forced the West to consider how an "inferior" economic system had bested them, and forced them to redouble their space program to prove to the world that capitalism was better. So, pressure from the Soviet sphere forced the ... ahem... [stifled giggle]... "democracies" [bursts into laughter] to reconsider their system.

If indeed you believe this, I feel sorry for you.
Don't fear Truth, Embrace it!

Sputnik was a paper tiger.

on the topic of space suprerioty you know whats funny. all the US style space shuttles are grounded because they keep finding faults with them, yet the old russian space rocket design seems to continue to perform

Is Hail a Fault? Hmmm

I dont remember ever seeing a russian reusable shuttle, i remember they were working on a design and not surprisingly it looked like the U.S. shuttle.

I'm not trying to make this an American against Russian thing, I'm just saying that without the pressure of the cold war, they would have no desire for those kinds of advancements. They would keep the status quo.

[Anarchy Ninja]

And I congratulate you. But, what's this? Applying yourself? Getting an education? Things that we are telling you and everyone you represent to do?

Not sure who I represent to you...

But I am privileged. I recognize that I have had much more help in succeeding than many students can ever hope to get.

To me you represent the liberals and their stance you are taking.

But I thought school was free, and, in fact, forced? How can you deny they cannot get an education?

Will a commie please respond to this?

just because it is free and forced does not mean that everyone will still get the opportunity