Zelda Mafia ~ Town Wins! Hyrule is Safe

[BGtheBrain]

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[MoB Deadly]

Rough weekend! catching up today or tomorrow

[shieldgenerator7]

ok I forgot that about what you said BG about item enhancing. I guess that means VS is both town and an investigator. UNVOTE I just didn't like it that VS was voting without giving an explanation. And PCM, yes you're right it was all speculation, and I wasn't trying to start a bandwagon on VS I just wanted him to give an explanation.

-SG7 ( )

[Victor Sullivan]

I know the LAL rule, but I think the fake-case on drake has effectively served its purpose, despite my poor execution of it.

unvote vote shieldgenerator7

I've known drake to be innocent for awhile now; I won't go into further detail aside from he's not a power role. Knowing this, I thought a weak case on him (though risky and perhaps a bit convoluted) would out a scum or two. It seems it may have.

-Sully

[spiesr]

I know the LAL rule, but I think the fake-case on drake has effectively served its purpose, despite my poor execution of it. I've known drake to be innocent for awhile now; I won't go into further detail aside from he's not a power role. Knowing this, I thought a weak case on him (though risky and perhaps a bit convoluted) would out a scum or two. It seems it may have.

Interesting. If I wasn't fairly confident in your townness I might actually have to call bullshit on this with it just being a clever method of trying to cover your ass after dropping a weak case that began to backlash. But, that isn't the case I guess...

[drunkmonkey]

Ok, I don't understand what just happened to make shield scummy. Can someone explain it to me?

Also,

I would beg for the deadline to be extended until we hear from the inactives, such as djfireside & C9. And not just a "I'm here, and I'll post later", like C9's last post. I'd like everyone to chip in before we're forced to lynch someone on 3 votes again.

Pretty please?

[drake_259]

I know the LAL rule, but I think the fake-case on drake has effectively served its purpose, despite my poor execution of it. I've known drake to be innocent for awhile now; I won't go into further detail aside from he's not a power role. Knowing this, I thought a weak case on him (though risky and perhaps a bit convoluted) would out a scum or two. It seems it may have.

Interesting. If I wasn't fairly confident in your townness I might actually have to call bullshit on this with it just being a clever method of trying to cover your ass after dropping a weak case that began to backlash. But, that isn't the case I guess...

I can confirm that what VS is saying is the truth

[BGtheBrain]

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[drunkmonkey]

@DrunkMonkey the concerns against Shield have been posted mostly on page 42.

Your case, while simple, does have its merits. I was referring to VS's latest post:

I know the LAL rule, but I think the fake-case on drake has effectively served its purpose, despite my poor execution of it.

unvote vote shieldgenerator7

I've known drake to be innocent for awhile now; I won't go into further detail aside from he's not a power role. Knowing this, I thought a weak case on him (though risky and perhaps a bit convoluted) would out a scum or two. It seems it may have.

-Sully

From this, I read that VS made a weak case against drake to see if any scum would bandwagon on it, right? Didn't shield do the opposite of that?

[BGtheBrain]

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[shieldgenerator7]

From this, I read that VS made a weak case against drake to see if any scum would bandwagon on it, right? Didn't shield do the opposite of that?

No one really said anything useful except people seemed to question WTF VS was talking about.

Shield then says VS is being scummy, votes for him, and tries to explain how he could be mafia.
This was AFTER I stated I can only enhance pure of heart people. I dont mind skimming too much, but considering I mentioned this in the post where I roleclaimed, I would think that would've deserved a little more attention while reading and wouldnt have been overlooked.

yeah I was paying attention but that was when i had like 3 pages to digest from overnight massive posting and that was one detail that got lost in the torrent from all I had to remember. But after you reminded me I remembered and unvoted Sully.
And I still don't get how my suspicions of VS make me scummy.

-SG7 ( )

[BGtheBrain]

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[MoB Deadly]

Hey, did MobDeadly ever state which game he is from?

I have no idea, I guess thats why I had so much speculation against PCM. My picture looks pretty normal that you would see in games. Nothing noticable. Only evidence I have is that I was raised in the Kokiri forest by the Great Deku Tree..... Hope thats helpful, Ive played many zelda games and I don't think that's ever happened.

Listen! I never said it was powerful. I simply said it would not benefit the town for me to use it in my opinion.

BG I think you should check dazza out tonight.

Doctor I suggest healing BG tonight.

[shieldgenerator7]

MOB you know why we can't direct our fellow townies into players via the thread. It's dangerous because we don't know what kind of interferences might happen, plus if the mafia know who the doc is protecting they'll know not to target that person.

[MoB Deadly]

MOB you know why we can't direct our fellow townies into players via the thread. It's dangerous because we don't know what kind of interferences might happen, plus if the mafia know who the doc is protecting they'll know not to target that person.

Thats a good thing. I dont want BG dying because I want to get to the bottom of the dazza case. I actually think BGs power wont work because I have a feeling dazza is not town. If im wrong then dazzas power is enhanced, and maybe now it will be something useful, as dazza says right now its not beneficial for town.

Also, there has been a LOT of role calls recently. I think BGs is by far the most important. I dont want a noob doctor healing someone else. And in addition, since I just made it public, theres a good chance mafia wont even risk that and not target BG at all. Which is good because BG is strong. And maybe our doctor could be professional and know that the mafia wont target BG and then pick someone else to heal. then we just saved 2 of our most powerful townies. That of course is risky though.

[spiesr]

I don't want BG dying because I want to get to the bottom of the dazza case. I actually think BGs power wont work because I have a feeling dazza is not town. If im wrong then dazzas power is enhanced, and maybe now it will be something useful, as dazza says right now its not beneficial for town.

The problem that I immediately see is that BGtheBrain claimed to be an Item Enhancer. I know that there are role's in this game whose power's are not tied to items, and if Dazza's claim is true he would most likely be among them. So BGtheBrain would not succeed at enhancing Dazza even if his claim is true.

[shieldgenerator7]

yes, MOB it ensures that BG stays alive. But the thing is we would still lose a townnie, and the point of having a doc is to keep from having a townie killed. So if the mafia know who not to target there will most likely be a mafia kill tonight, but you're right, it would mean BG stays safe. Chance for no kills versus making sure BG is safe...

[spiesr]

I have no idea, I guess thats why I had so much speculation against PCM. My picture looks pretty normal that you would see in games. Nothing noticable. Only evidence I have is that I was raised in the Kokiri forest by the Great Deku Tree..... Hope thats helpful, Ive played many zelda games and I don't think that's ever happened.

Smells like Ocarina of Time, and given that the scene where you helped / kill himself stated that your Link was younger than his, it is one of the few options that would make sense.

yes, MOB it ensures that BG stays alive. But the thing is we would still lose a townnie, and the point of having a doc is to keep from having a townie killed. So if the mafia know who not to target there will most likely be a mafia kill tonight, but you're right, it would mean BG stays safe. Chance for no kills versus making sure BG is safe...

Don't want to rain on your parade here guys, but since the potion Link appeared to have lost his item in the Night 2 scene, we may not even have a functioning doctor at this point...

[MoB Deadly]

I don't want BG dying because I want to get to the bottom of the dazza case. I actually think BGs power wont work because I have a feeling dazza is not town. If im wrong then dazzas power is enhanced, and maybe now it will be something useful, as dazza says right now its not beneficial for town.

The problem that I immediately see is that BGtheBrain claimed to be an Item Enhancer. I know that there are role's in this game whose power's are not tied to items, and if Dazza's claim is true he would most likely be among them. So BGtheBrain would not succeed at enhancing Dazza even if his claim is true.

Ah, screw me.. thats right, I dont see Navi using an item either......

[spiesr]

Okay, random question here: Hensow started the game with the shield item. On night 1 he comes into contact with the witch and has the shield replaced with the seed satchel. On night 3 nagerous The Item Gifter had the shield in his possession when he was killed. So err, how did it get there? I guess with nagerous dead we can't really know how his role worked exactly. I just wonder how the item taken from Hensow ended up in nagerous's hands.

[spiesr]

I consulted my Ocarina PM (can you believe I saved it? ) again.
Yes, I did receive it right before the end of N1, and I received it from an old man (not this one, mind you ). According to the PM I go back in time then track. So it all depends if the roleblock blocks my going back in time, or my tracking.

Hang on, I was under the impression that we had come to the conclusion the nagerous had been the one to give Victor his item. But looking back, I now that Victor found that nagerous targeted Hensow night 1. (Could this somehow explain how nagerous later had Hensow's item when he died?) So, does this mean there are 2 item gifters or I am as confused as I think I am?

[MoB Deadly]

That is really weird... Ill have to think about this...
I always thought the item witch, (switched the items) from hensow to...... player x.... had to be person whoever started with JOAT seeds... Then N2, switched player x with nag which gave nag the shield?

Only explanation I have so far. Likely the player x did not receive an item because nag didnt have one

[drunkmonkey]

Victor said "an old man" gave him his item. Also mentioned that since he couldn't have done anything with it on N1, there was no reason for him to have it until N2. That may just be part of the flavor, and he didn't receive it until it was useful.

It was first assumed that the witch switched items between players, but we're not sure that's true.

[shieldgenerator7]

VS, did were you told in your PM that you had recieved it from "an old man" or from "nag"? If the PM said nag, that means Sully was just using a nickname for his buddy nag. But if it said "old man" then nag might not have been the one to give Sully the gift. I forget: did nag claim he used his powers on VS or was that the assumption after we found nag dead? It could mean Sully got his gift from someone else beside nag.

-SG7 ( )

[Victor Sullivan]

Old man. Not nagerous (or at least my PM didn't explicitly say his name. Given he's a tree... I'd guess it wasn't him).

-SUlly