Zelda Mafia ~ Town Wins! Hyrule is Safe

[Epitaph1]

Ok, I was just wondering because you were saying that killboy's statements were possible newbie mistakes. I am just wondering what makes you know a rookie mistake when you see one? Perhaps you are just repeating what you think the 'party line' is. I think it is too late in the day to warrant a vote on you, but beware that people do actually read what you write.

It's so nice of you to take my thoughts and observations into consideration.

I believe Killboy stated that he was new to mafia early on and then made another statement that was dissected to pieces by the rest of the players. With so little to go on, we're like dogs begging for scraps of food and then we fight over what little is given to us. So, if the "party line" is that 1) Killboy is new and 2) he made a mistake that a another more experienced player would not make (like suggesting that he is paying attention but not posting), then so be it.

[rdsrds2120]

vote killboy so we're not tied..I don't know if it's random or not when there's a tie for lynching, but I'd rather not find out. If Sully unvotes me, I'll unvote killboy. I just don't want the most votes.

-rd

[shieldgenerator7]

ok, i didn't answer nag's question yet. So here it goes:
honestly, i think the whole rds roleblock thing has been discussed.
I was thinking that there was no mention of a rolebock on hensow in the day scene and that rds claimed to have roleblocked him doesn't make sense. For (1)roleblocking a claimed bulletproof won't do anything (unless you thought he fakeclaimed) and (2)other players targeted hensow and i had my suspicions that rds may have fakeclaimed and had actualy been either maple or the sowrd link.
Does that answer your question?

About killboy: he's a n00b, what do you expect? This doesn't justify him in any way but it means I give him a little leniancy because it's his first game. he should take what he learns from this game and apply it to the others and play better next time.

-SG7 ( )

[Rodion]

Squirrel, after you manage to replace/modkill inactives, will you fix another deadline or simply end the day?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Squirrel, after you manage to replace/modkill inactives, will you fix another deadline or simply end the day?

I will give a new deadline probably 3-4 days after I fix the inactive situation. I will be replacing freezie tonight for sure.

[pancakemix]

Sorry guys, classes just started and it's killing me. I'm hopeful to have something up by tomorrow.

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vote killboy so we're not tied..I don't know if it's random or not when there's a tie for lynching, but I'd rather not find out. If Sully unvotes me, I'll unvote killboy. I just don't want the most votes.

-rd

So it's "better for anyone else to die but me" rather than any legitimate suspicion huh? interesting...
Well, if no one else claims boomerang or role-blocker I am inclined to believe the claim on it's own merits. Vote Killboy, we have some extra time now, let's not waste it, we need info at this point and investigative roles are dropping like Keese.

[spiesr]

Available for sub...

[drake_259]

Although killboy gave a fairly good excuse but we need someone to prod more. so vote: killboy

[Mr. Squirrel]

MoB Deadly is replacing freezie. Spiesr will probably replacing naxus next.

[MoB Deadly]

Confirmed! I will do my homework tonight or tomorrow!

[DoomYoshi]

vote MoB deadly

Welcome to the game! Hopefully your homework reveals something grand;)

As for the killboy lynch, I don't see a better target, especially not with Mr. S taking care of the inactives for us... (thank you by the way, Squirrel).

[nagerous]

Although killboy gave a fairly good excuse but we need someone to prod more. so vote: killboy

vote killboy

Happy to up the pressure on him here.

[MoB Deadly]

Alright guys, holy crap that was a lot of posts to go though, that was harder than i thought. I am not great at formatting huge posts. I wanted to do this with supporting quotes, but to be honest it got really confusing. I can use quotes to backup things if I need to.

I want to explore an area that I don't think was brought up. Obviously when we started the game we didnt think there were many "versions" of Link. There were especially people that were vocally surprised about a Link call that early. Those people are Pancakemix, DrunkMonkey, and possibly DJFireside (Who was Dibbun at the time). That can help predict that they are not Link. It doesnt make them scum automatically though I understand that.

For recent events, I don't know why we are still voting for killboy, yes I definitely saw the need to pressure him after his first couple comments. I definitely think he was submarining at first, however hes clearly been active now, I think we should let him breathe and maybe let some power roles get some info from him.


Ill go into players now. These are in order by which I want to see pressured first.


DrunkMonkey
I am sorry DrunkMonkey, but you have seriously made what I believe, the scummiest moves in this game.
1. Obvious you didn't believe rds initial Link Claim. You even continued to vote for him after he roleclaimed. Eventually you switched to hensow.
2. When the Killboy case of submarining first started, decided to shift the focus on illiad, who was inactive.
3. When rds said he would give the info about who he roleblocked if asked, you said not to. Maybe because you fear a mafia member would be revealed??

Commander9
Very inactive, I wouldnt mind putting pressure of a lynch on him

PancakeMix
FOS I didnt like your actions early game and how you reacted to rds's claim. Also didnt like how early you pressured Hensow into claiming. But since, I feel your actions have not been scummish afterwards

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Just notes

DJFireside
I feel like all he has done is follow the Bandwagon rds votes. Borderline FOS, but noted for now

Drake_259
possibly not a Link, but you never know when Dibbun posts. (I cant believe he was voted off btw, hes not THAT bad, nothin against you drake)

Killboy
Didnt like your first couple comments, but you are alright now

Dazza
You have an awesome role, or one of the best fake claims ever. Stop 1 line voting though and actually explain why you support the vote

Rodion
I think Dazza is okay for now, but I agree with you, hes gotta stop the one line votes

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Rds
Ultra-Mega Clear

Sully
Clear, next time dont try not to identify town PRs especially vigis, even if nag asks for more info, you can avoid answering but still hinting that you know what he is.

Nag
Clear

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BGTheBrain
I trust this guy. I like his logic (except the poisoning thing)

Rodion
I like your activity

DoomYoshi
I like your activity too

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Questions:
Why did we get out of the revealing the Deku Tree? Someone said its the same as everyone revealing pro-town or not because mafia knows each other. Whats different in this case is that no one can really lie and say they are the Deku Tree, they are gonna get counter claimed. however if the tree has a good power, keep it yourself.

If the doctor knows if his healing powers have been taken away, wait to see if your potion "magically returns" tomorrow or if the stealing is permanent we need to know. If still stolen tomorrow maybe reveal?


Alright, hope I didnt offend anyone. Its just my thoughts after reading everything for the first time. I just wanna start conversations and activity on some of these maybe

[MoB Deadly]

Oh I did want to say in Drunk Monkeys defense... he did post a list of claimed roles and such, which I dont think scum would do. I think he would keep that private and keep town as confused as possible. Nonetheless I still haven't liked your play so far

[Victor Sullivan]

-Sully

[drunkmonkey]

I want to explore an area that I don't think was brought up. Obviously when we started the game we didnt think there were many "versions" of Link. There were especially people that were vocally surprised about a Link call that early. Those people are Pancakemix, DrunkMonkey, and possibly DJFireside (Who was Dibbun at the time). That can help predict that they are not Link. It doesnt make them scum automatically though I understand that.

DrunkMonkey
I am sorry DrunkMonkey, but you have seriously made what I believe, the scummiest moves in this game.
1. Obvious you didn't believe rds initial Link Claim. You even continued to vote for him after he roleclaimed. Eventually you switched to hensow.

You're right, I didn't believe his claim. As you posted above, no one knew about multiple Links. So, why are you now surprised when I thought a Link claim (with hardly any pressure) was scummy?

2. When the Killboy case of submarining first started, decided to shift the focus on illiad, who was inactive.

Actually, I started the submarining case against killboy and Iliad. When killboy defended himself and Iliad did not, I decided Iliad was scummier. Mr.S said he prodded, and I assumed if Iliad was truly inactive after that, he would be replaced. I figured he was still submarining. I was wrong, as were the 3-4 people who followed me.

3. When rds said he would give the info about who he roleblocked if asked, you said not to. Maybe because you fear a mafia member would be revealed??

No, because I feared a townie would be revealed, and possibly a power role. From the scene flavor - a)mafia's kill attempt was not roleblocked, and b)we didn't see anything from Sword Link or Maple, both of which I believe to be town. The scene made it more likely that rds blocked a townie.

[MoB Deadly]

I want to explore an area that I don't think was brought up. Obviously when we started the game we didnt think there were many "versions" of Link. There were especially people that were vocally surprised about a Link call that early. Those people are Pancakemix, DrunkMonkey, and possibly DJFireside (Who was Dibbun at the time). That can help predict that they are not Link. It doesnt make them scum automatically though I understand that.

DrunkMonkey
I am sorry DrunkMonkey, but you have seriously made what I believe, the scummiest moves in this game.
1. Obvious you didn't believe rds initial Link Claim. You even continued to vote for him after he roleclaimed. Eventually you switched to hensow.

You're right, I didn't believe his claim. As you posted above, no one knew about multiple Links. So, why are you now surprised when I thought a Link claim (with hardly any pressure) was scummy?

So we can probably safely assume you are not a form of Link.

2. When the Killboy case of submarining first started, decided to shift the focus on illiad, who was inactive.

Actually, I started the submarining case against killboy and Iliad. When killboy defended himself and Iliad did not, I decided Iliad was scummier. Mr.S said he prodded, and I assumed if Iliad was truly inactive after that, he would be replaced. I figured he was still submarining. I was wrong, as were the 3-4 people who followed me.

Thats true, Sorry, I take it back

3. When rds said he would give the info about who he roleblocked if asked, you said not to. Maybe because you fear a mafia member would be revealed??

No, because I feared a townie would be revealed, and possibly a power role. From the scene flavor - a)mafia's kill attempt was not roleblocked, and b)we didn't see anything from Sword Link or Maple, both of which I believe to be town. The scene made it more likely that rds blocked a townie.

Ah Yes, totally forgot about that. You are right again. Maybe this should be under Questions: Why was there no mafia flavor? My belief about rds roleblock if it doesnt exactly effect the kill or the players involved we won't see the boomerang


Sorry DrunkMonkey, its really hard to jump in D3

[drunkmonkey]

No need for apology; I like the activity. Just felt the need to defend the case against me.

[shieldgenerator7]

alright! nice case MoB! (though I wonder: is this an attempt to shake attention from killboy?)

VS, why u only post one line? Trying to appear active?

[pancakemix]

Firstly: MoB, welcome and good post.

In response: I did doubt rds at first, but it had more to do with flavor spec than the actual claim of Link (although I will admit, multiple Links caught me a little off guard when it shouldn't have). WHICH Link is also important (cont'd below, as it's becoming its own thought process). As for Hensow, I think I've already explained myself regarding that.

Anyway, back to my earlier thought on Links: Every Link up to this point has had a moniker (e.g. "The Wind Waker"). Check it out:

1. Edocsil - Link the Wind waker killed
2. Hensow - Link of Majora's Mask killed
3. iliad - Link of the Oracle of Seasons

He could have easily claimed a game, but he didn't. I find that rather disconcerting. Why NOT claim a game? It just seems like the perfect sort of thing to make a claim 100% believable, and yet all we got was the simplistic "Link with a boomerang".

Now you may be thinking "But the boomerang is something that would definitely be in this game". You're right, I do think that it wouldn't be right if the boomerang wasn't in. However, I theorize that this game has a Dark Link, who is mafia aligned and has the same item-based powers as the other Links. He could then safely claim Link and a believable item being that he actually has one.

I'm not willing to throw my vote on rds quite yet though. While I do think his blocks are conveniently unsubstantiated, I think Victor's "delayed block" theory is plausible. I do want rds to provide a game name if he can.

On killboy: It seems too much like a lynch for lynch's sake, even considering his general aura of scumminess/newbish mistakes. I'm not keen that.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Spiesr is replacing naxus. Killboy is the only one who hasn't posted since I made the prod, but he has been active in the past so I will give him time yet.

I'm setting a new deadline for Sept 4th. Probably late at night EST. Happy lynching!

[spiesr]

Hmmm....

[spiesr]

Hmmm....

For some reason my post won't go through, I guess I will try again in the morning...

[killboy108]

Just a quick reply to say here I am, I'll post again soon.

I like this MoB Deadly guy... he's getting things moving