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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[16 08 11]V.50 Pg1/27 Anything e

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:16 am

isaiah40 wrote:Missed the Mandla/River border! ;)


Bugger.

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EDIT: no I did not, just not a curvy as my wife ( :-$ ) so will re do that one.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:49 am

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Mandla/River border

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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby Sniper08 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:28 am

can we see a version with the 888 put in as i think some of the british front line may need to be adjusted to allow the numbers to fit
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:59 am

Sniper08 wrote:can we see a version with the 888 put in as i think some of the british front line may need to be adjusted to allow the numbers to fit


Here is the small version with the 888's. As you can see, it was a tight squeeze with some of the territs and the name has had to go above the 888's in some cases.

The killer neutrals still have the 5's only. The large version has more space so not shown. If you look in the first post, the 88's have been in.

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Here it is with the 888's in the killer neutral spaces. As you can see, they do overlap territs a tad but not enough to cause confusion. Why would anyone want to lose =100 troops on a space like that when there are better places to place your troops. :D
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby Seamus76 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:39 am

Looks really nice to me. Good work making it all fit well.

One small, easy touch up for you though, the border for the Manelesi territory looks like it goes under the dirt towards the trees.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:45 am

Seamus76 wrote:Looks really nice to me. Good work making it all fit well.

One small, easy touch up for you though, the border for the Manelesi territory looks like it goes under the dirt towards the trees.

Was told to make it that way so the borders do not just disappear before the main foliage of the trees. When it did stop, it looked silly as the terit line stopped before the unpassable. If you look, they are all like this and so is the 150 yard line.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby Seamus76 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 8:55 am

I'm not sure, but that one really stands out to me. The others look really good, and look like they go under much closer to the treeline, whereas that one looks like there is a look of border under the dirt.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:12 am

Will go back in and dirty it up a bit then.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby Sniper08 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:29 am

the british front line may only be 5 neutral but lets say someone takes it over with 100 troops then the numbers becoming 3 digits instead of one so factor that in when deciding where the army numbers go.

nkosinathi 888 is on the bushes
sizwe 888 is also on the bushes,move the river warror up on that terr so that 888 doesnt hit the bushes
phunga 888 hits the trees, maybe enlarge that terr area and move the trees up
dingane 888 hits the bush, make the bush slimmer to fit?
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50A Pg1/27 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:14 am

Added to the list. Will post a new one in a couple of hours.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[160811]V.50B Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:46 am

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Dirtied the territ line.
Went around and made sure on both versions the 888's fit into the territs. Worked the images if needed to make them fit.

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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[170811]V.50B Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby natty dread on Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:10 pm

There's some pixelation in the green parts of the trees.

The texture of the bushes could also be smoothened a bit.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[170811]V.50B Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:15 pm

natty_dread wrote:There's some pixelation in the green parts of the trees.

The texture of the bushes could also be smoothened a bit.


Had the bushes smoother and I got the same problem you did "Blobs". They will stay as is.
Will fix the trees now.
Noticed when I posted 10 minutes ago a couple of bad territs in the small version (Sandile, Hitch). Fixed those.
Will fix the trees then post the next image.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[170811]V.50C Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:42 pm

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That should be it now. :lol:

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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[170811]V.50C Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby natty dread on Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:02 pm

The trees are different on small/large...

They look better on the small.

Also, I don't want you to blur out the bushes entirely. Just fix the pixelation of the texture. And maybe add some more varitation to it, beside just 2 colours.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[170811]V.50C Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby cairnswk on Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:43 pm

koontz1973 wrote:Latest Version [50C]...
That should be it now. :lol:
Anything else.

Yes....
Pros for me:
  • The shields on the title look great now. :)
  • the CB test appears to work
Cons for me:
  • 1. Bush brdering Ayize/Buthelezi/Mzwenhianhia - it seems that all territoires border each other, so why have that bush there
  • 2. the legend is dishevelled and now cluttered:
    a. iButhos look as though they are shoved in there to fit, and on the small map you have IButhhos while the large says IButhos
    b. the icons and associated text do not line up, and there is extra leading space (space between lines) on some lines, while on the small map there is extra leading space between items 3 and 4
    c. i think the overall text on the small map looks uneven and could be improved by adjusting the leading space on "be carefeul..." text to be similar to that of "January..." text, which would possibly give you a little more space for the images etc above it.
    d. Have you tried using the darker text on the IButhos as used in the map.
    e. why use 2 different version of text in your signature.
    f. the bonuses on the icons could be moved to the front of the text instead so they don't get lost in the text
I'm sorry to be picky, but i think if you improve these items, it will help greatly. :)
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[170811]V.50C Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:56 pm

cairnswk wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:Latest Version [50C]...
That should be it now. :lol:
Anything else.

Yes....
Pros for me:
  • The shields on the title look great now. :)
  • the CB test appears to work
Cons for me:
  • 1. Bush brdering Ayize/Buthelezi/Mzwenhianhia - it seems that all territoires border each other, so why have that bush there
  • 2. the legend is dishevelled and now cluttered:
    a. iButhos look as though they are shoved in there to fit, and on the small map you have IButhhos while the large says IButhos
    b. the icons and associated text do not line up, and there is extra leading space (space between lines) on some lines, while on the small map there is extra leading space between items 3 and 4
    c. i think the overall text on the small map looks uneven and could be improved by adjusting the leading space on "be carefeul..." text to be similar to that of "January..." text, which would possibly give you a little more space for the images etc above it.
    d. Have you tried using the darker text on the IButhos as used in the map.
    e. why use 2 different version of text in your signature.
    f. the bonuses on the icons could be moved to the front of the text instead so they don't get lost in the text
I'm sorry to be picky, but i think if you improve these items, it will help greatly. :)


Now that is what I call feedback. None of this one piece at a time piecemeal rubbish, just a huge long list. Great and thanks. Will get onto that right now.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[170811]V.50C Pg1/28 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:59 pm

natty_dread wrote:The trees are different on small/large...

They look better on the small.

Also, I don't want you to blur out the bushes entirely. Just fix the pixelation of the texture. And maybe add some more varitation to it, beside just 2 colours.


Yes, they are different. The small tree did not scale well to the large map which is why I had to keep redoing them. Tried them on the small map and the fitted better. THey are the original tree from version 1 I think.

Will try bushes this morning.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[180811]V.51 Pg1/28 Anything els

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:20 am

natty_dread wrote:The trees are different on small/large...

They look better on the small.

Also, I don't want you to blur out the bushes entirely. Just fix the pixelation of the texture. And maybe add some more varitation to it, beside just 2 colours.

Added some colour to the bushes. Not a lot but it breaks them up. That should help. Let me know.

cairnswk wrote:Yes....
Pros for me:
  • The shields on the title look great now. :)
  • the CB test appears to work

Great, you like two things only. :o ;)
Cons for me:

[*]1. Bush brdering Ayize/Buthelezi/Mzwenhianhia - it seems that all territoires border each other, so why have that bush there

This bush was a reminant to when there where more territs in the dry river bed. I know that it serves no function now that one of the territs was taken out but by removing the bush you get 3 territs that look empty. It stays.
[*]2. the legend is dishevelled and now cluttered:
a. iButhos look as though they are shoved in there to fit, and on the small map you have IButhhos while the large says IButhos

Not shoved in but made to fit after people kept asking what an iButho is. Had it in previous versions but got taken out and placed back in. Redid it all now so should look better.
b. the icons and associated text do not line up, and there is extra leading space (space between lines) on some lines, while on the small map there is extra leading space between items 3 and 4

Lined up now on both versions. The chieftain has 3 lines (the others 2) of text so looks different but that is something that has to be kept. Went in and lined the icons to the bottom of the text with the chieftain now centered. With 2 figures being slim and 2 fat, it really is going to be one of those "move it to the left one pixel" jobs. Let me know how it looks and how many it needs to be moved. :D
c. i think the overall text on the small map looks uneven and could be improved by adjusting the leading space on "be carefeul..." text to be similar to that of "January..." text, which would possibly give you a little more space for the images etc above it.

Done and looks better. Thanks.
d. Have you tried using the darker text on the IButhos as used in the map.

Tried and with the darker text, text is lost in the darker iButhos.
e. why use 2 different version of text in your signature.

Just did. Changed both to be te dame as the left handed text.
f. the bonuses on the icons could be moved to the front of the text instead so they don't get lost in the text

Left them where they were but played around with the placement to allign up better. Added the glow to get them to stand out.

I'm sorry to be picky, but i think if you improve these items, it will help greatly. :)

Do not be sorry, if more people were as picky as you, I would be a happy bunny. Give me something to do during the summer. Hope you like the changes and understand why not all were done.

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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[180811]V.51 Pg1/28 Anything els

Postby Sniper08 on Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:27 am

ok is it me or does the trees in the small version look better than the large version.bushes look better.

also not sure about the different fonts in the legend. i think the font for the left is a bit hard to read.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[180811]V.51 Pg1/28 Anything els

Postby natty dread on Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:37 am

The trees are still different... here's what you need to do.

Redo them on the large, then copypaste + scale them on the small. It's easy... Go to the tree layer, select all, copy, go to small version, paste, scale & enter the small version dimensions to the scale dialog.

Now... Take the tree of the large version, smooth out the edges of the green (try the smudge tool with a small brush) and remove that piece of brown in the upper right which looks ugly when there's lots of trees pasted together... Then redo the large version trees with the new tree, and copy the layer to the small.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[180811]V.51 Pg1/28 Anything els

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:44 am

natty_dread wrote:The trees are still different... here's what you need to do.

Redo them on the large, then copypaste + scale them on the small. It's easy... Go to the tree layer, select all, copy, go to small version, paste, scale & enter the small version dimensions to the scale dialog.

Now... Take the tree of the large version, smooth out the edges of the green (try the smudge tool with a small brush) and remove that piece of brown in the upper right which looks ugly when there's lots of trees pasted together... Then redo the large version trees with the new tree, and copy the layer to the small.


I know they are different. Was not sure it was a problem. Will redo the large one now and post in an hour or two. Hows the rest though?
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[180811]V.51 Pg1/28 Anything els

Postby natty dread on Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:09 am

Why is there a zulu in the middle of a forest? Is he hiding?
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[180811]V.51A Pg1/29 Anything el

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:50 am

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Trees now match, placement will not as it is not a direct scale.
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Re: Battle at Rorke's Drift.[180811]V.51 Pg1/28 Anything els

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:53 am

Sniper08 wrote:ok is it me or does the trees in the small version look better than the large version.bushes look better.

also not sure about the different fonts in the legend. i think the font for the left is a bit hard to read.


Trees have now been placed into both versions from the small.

The legend font may not be to everyone's taste but I think it suits the map the best of what I have tried. Next time you are looking at your fonts in whatever programme you use for typing, try a few and let me know the fonts you like. Can always have a go.
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