[ACC] The All Comers Cup - Final

by **Teflon Kris** on Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:57 pm

The All-Comers Cup

show: Introduction

Tournament Format

Final

show: Final

Semi-Finals

show: Semi-Final Ties

Third Round

show: Third Round Ties

Second Round

show: Second Round Ties

First Round

show: First Round Ties

show: Registered Clans

show: Original Potential Formats

show: Clan Mini Wars for Each Round

show: Revised Optimistic Schedule

show: Proposed Optimistic Schedule

show: Ranking

show: Rules

show: Organisation

show: Conflicts

show: Awards

show: Pros and Cons of Entering

by **jackin_u_up** on Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:13 pm

AFOS is in it to win it.

sounds like fun.

by **jigger1986** on Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:07 pm

Looks like a fun and interesting challenge. GR are interested, but I have to ask when the anticipated start date would be? Until I know, I cant say yes or no. Sorry if the dates are in the thread, I read through it twice, but I could have missed it.

by **eddie2** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:16 am

this will be fun fun fun.

by **jpcloet** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:33 am

A round limit of 30 rounds (for singles and doubles) and 25 rounds (for trips and quads) will be set - there will be no result if there is no winner within the limit. It is anticipated that this will only occur extremely rarely and is only introduced to prevent a stalemate-game from holding the tournament up.

If scores are equal then 'extra-time' will take place - a 3-game, neutral-map tie-breaker (2 trips and 1 quad game on World 2.1, no spoils, sunny, chained).

So what is the point of making sure games don't take too long, then add weeks by playing extra games, ensuring a winner in the normal course would be much better.

3 rounds of byes for some teams? Why? That seems really excessive. Given the smaller set of games, I don't see the need.

by **Leehar** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:39 am

And would there any medal eligibility for each round in the comp. or just the eventual winner?
I'd also actually prefer more doubles than singles, specially with the best of 3 make-up for them? (Maybe 7 dubs, 3 best-of-5-singles so that we can still keep more emphasis on teams.)
Tho I guess that would ruin the split between teams, maybe then just use it as a tie-breaker like jp recommends?

by **sonicsteve** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:56 am

jpcloet wrote:3 rounds of byes for some teams? Why? That seems really excessive. Given the smaller set of games, I don't see the need.

I'm guessing the byes are there because It's loosely modelled on the English FA Cup, which is pictured in the thread.

Makes perfect sense to us English folk.

by **General Brock II** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:25 am

Count in the 1st Regiment of Foot Guards!

Contacts: General Brock II and General Roy

by **lord voldemort** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:10 am

why would there be uneven number of games...who gets the extra dubs or 1v1.
its also too heavily weighted towards trips and quads.
Alot of clans are preferring equal games.
Also as far a I am aware this doesnt qualify for game privs...

by **Sniper08** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:21 am

1v1's dont belong in a clan tournament at all,too much luck involved especially since the game count is so low wars could be won on luck instead of skill.

why not do this like the NC with 43 games so the clan gets a medal as they progress instread on winner takes all.i know it might take a while for wars to finish but there is a hole in the CC clan tournaments schedule where the ACC could work.the CCup,Clan league,ACC and NC would fill all year round so there is always a clan event going on.

by **lord voldemort** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:26 am

There doesnt need to be events all year round.
What happened to the ordinary clan challenge.
The CC cup and the clan league takes up 10-12 months of the year already.
I do not think you will get many clans signing up for this.

by **Sniper08** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:30 am

lord voldemort wrote:There doesnt need to be events all year round.
What happened to the ordinary clan challenge.
The CC cup and the clan league takes up 10-12 months of the year already.
I do not think you will get many clans signing up for this.

i know there doesnt need to be events all year round but ppl enjoy these types of clan tournaments so it would be good if there was always one on at any time of year but i agree most top clans wont sign up for this.

by **eddie2** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:34 am

lord voldemort wrote:why would there be uneven number of games...who gets the extra dubs or 1v1.
its also too heavily weighted towards trips and quads.
Alot of clans are preferring equal games.
Also as far a I am aware this doesnt qualify for game privs...

why would it not qualify for gam privs. was there not a 1 v 1 challenge tourney just taken place that got game privs.

by **jrh_cardinal** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:43 am

Sniper08 wrote:why not do this like the NC with 43 games so the clan gets a medal as they progress instread on winner takes all.i know it might take a while for wars to finish but there is a hole in the CC clan tournaments schedule where the ACC could work.the CCup,Clan league,ACC and NC would fill all year round so there is always a clan event going on.

Last years CLA is still going on, and the CC2 started in March (all of the NC was run during that time also).

The CC2 will probably end sometime around the end of November, maybe later if it keeps getting delayed. The CLA will probably start around early October.

end of CLA/beginning of CC - 4+ month overlap
end of CC/beginning of CLA - 2 month overlap

That's half the year with both events ongoing, and I'm not even counting the planning time before the events, the TLO, which takes pretty much all year, or bart's 1v1 Tournament if he keeps it going.

I'm definitely for as many events as can be run well, but I don't think there's an empty hole where this would be the only ongoing event in the clan schedule anymore.

edit- DJ, I'm all for this event, I don't mean to sound negative toward the event itself, just don't think it will ever be the only ongoing event.

by **Sniper08** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:47 am

jrh_cardinal wrote:
Sniper08 wrote:why not do this like the NC with 43 games so the clan gets a medal as they progress instread on winner takes all.i know it might take a while for wars to finish but there is a hole in the CC clan tournaments schedule where the ACC could work.the CCup,Clan league,ACC and NC would fill all year round so there is always a clan event going on.

Last years CLA is still going on, and the CC2 started in March (all of the NC was run during that time also).

The CC2 will probably end sometime around the end of November, maybe later if it keeps getting delayed. The CLA will probably start around early October.

end of CLA/beginning of CC - 4+ month overlap
end of CC/beginning of CLA - 2 month overlap

That's half the year with both events ongoing, and I'm not even counting the planning time before the events, the TLO, which takes pretty much all year, or bart's 1v1 Tournament if he keeps it going.

I'm definitely for as many events as can be run well, but I don't think there's an empty hole where this would be the only ongoing event in the clan schedule anymore.

yes but many clans get knocked out of these tournaments CC2 in in the quaters and CL is in the final so many teams were knocked out a while ago.The NC worked as it was for lower clans and the CC and CL are more for high ranked clans IMO.A hole would be for middle to lower ranked clans with nothing to do but play the same old wars.

by **BoganGod** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:54 am

A few people have mentioned a full schedule, and no "hole" in the clan year..... I would have thought was pretty self evident that this is designed as a quick clan event. Unlike pretty much every other multi clan event in the CC calendar. There is not an onerous game load. Established clans get recognition without getting a free pass.

Would be a lot easier if the yanks had a clue about english soccer... :roll:

lovo don't know why your being so negative. This is not intended to steal tofu/empire's thunder(throwing tofu in there as chuuuuck has jumped ship there, and he is still sorting some of the CC cup).

Can understand why some of the more established clans don't have the balls to be in this, because the rounds are smaller, there is a larger element of luck. Less chance to grind out a boring victory. Pussies. How about people post in here if they wish to register.

Brethren of the Fat Mermaid. In please. Contacts GallantPellham, Draq, BoganGod, Ryno99

Know have already asked to be included. Just making it official by posting in thread.

by **shocked439** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:57 am

Seriously, why all tge negativity in the responses? If you want in and have the time to be in join and put it in your response. If you don't want in and don't have the time don't respond.

Why does every idea in the clan world have to be a 15 page bitch fest.

Looks like a great event and best of luck with it!

by **Teflon Kris** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:32 am

sonicsteve wrote:
jpcloet wrote:3 rounds of byes for some teams? Why? That seems really excessive. Given the smaller set of games, I don't see the need.

I'm guessing the byes are there because It's loosely modelled on the English FA Cup, which is pictured in the thread.

Makes perfect sense to us English folk.

Some of the replies confirm that higher ranked clans dont want to play many events at once (although the call for one event at a time is extreme). :-)

by **lord voldemort** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:16 pm

This looks just as long as the cc cup. Sure there are a few byes for the higher ranks. But there is still ideally 3 challenges of 50,60,60 games for the finals.
That requires research. You are looking at a 6-9 month tournament here...Its not as short as you think. Not to mention the shortest style of game 1v1 and dubs have the least representation.
Alot of clans choose long drawn out quads games, hive, conquermans etc....
It has nothing to do with empire...CC cup is an event ran by Chuuuuck (which he doesnt even want to run)
It has nothing to do with balls. It has to do with there are already established tournaments and competitions that are all year round. It is already difficult for most clans to then fit in regular challenges in between. We have already had one cancelled challenge this year.

by **Teflon Kris** on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:16 pm

Thanks for all your essays folks, and thanks most of all to the clans that have registered. Not sure if you are in PACK (sniper)?

I've marked some of the draft essays below - for further discussion I suggest a new thread maybe?

Suggestions
jpcloet makes a good point:

'Extra -Time'
The 3 extra time games could be played anyway, and only count if scores are otherwise equal. They would therefore start just after the regular games and not hold a tie up. Alternatively, the 'extra-time' idea could be swapped for a single quads tie-breaker game thrown in at the start of each tie.

Leehar made his point concisely:

1 v 1s
This could be increased to best-of-5 to ensure a greater skill requirement.
Combining his other point about more focus on doubles, how about this as a minor amendment to cover both points:

1 v 1s are best-of-4. Winner gains 1 point. If there is a 2-2 draw then neither clan gains a point.

Feel free to make further suggestions for minor tinkering, especially if you are joining.

And feel free to register without an essay.