Eight Thoughts [Quenched]

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:55 am

AndyDufresne wrote:I'll give this topic a proper look over tomorrow most likely. Storms coming here!

Really? I thought Zihuatanejo was paradise.

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:01 am

ClessAlvein wrote:Maybe make the text say "-1 for Mind without Reason" instead of just enumerating the penalty? The play on words is rather nice

I like this plan. I don't know if it's really necessary to enumerate that if you have mind and reason, you don't get the neg. bonus.
And... I, along with many others, really hate the new impassable barriers. I actually didn't see huge problems with the old ones, but the new ones are... disgusting.

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:10 pm

Bumpity bump bump.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:55 pm

Well here are the old borders and toned down colored territory borders.

I added the +0 for Mind with reason to make sure everyone knows that there is still not a penalty if you have both.

EvilOtto · Post by **EvilOtto** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:56 pm

KEYOGI wrote:I'm still not sure the Allied bonus system is worded clearly enough. I realise it's a hard part to get right, but I think it's a pretty important part of the map.

I agree this could be better. At one time, we discussed naming the "symbol territories" seats of the continents. For example "Seat of Death" or "Seat of Law". If that were the case we could simplify the instructions by simply refering to them collectively as "Seats".

Any Alliance +2
(diagram)
An Alliance requires 3 seats: any Seat plus the opposite Seat's two neighbors.

Isn't that shorter/simpler/clearer?

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:07 pm

Ya, I think that EvilOtto. It makes a lot of sense. I like it, anybody else?

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:11 pm

If no one has any issues with this I will update it for tomorrow.

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:41 am

I'm not sure I like having to rename a bunch of territories, but oh well.

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:28 am

Eh... it's worth having a look at it, I suppose... but I think the current instructions are fairly clear.

Captain Crash · Post by **Captain Crash** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:46 am

I still think you can do a much better skull than that WM. It looks lopside and bigheaded.

anamainiacks · Post by **anamainiacks** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:35 am

Yea... I think the cast shadow on the right side of the skull makes it look wonky. And the skull looks like he's smiling...

sam_levi_11 · Post by **sam_levi_11** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:40 am

just seen this and i havwe only two thoughts
wow and wheres andy

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:39 am

Captain Crash wrote:I still think you can do a much better skull than that WM. It looks lopside and bigheaded.

Well I did change it and others liked the way this one looked. However I will exlain why the skull looks like this. The ENTIRE 8 Thoughts map is done in photoshop with black paint. ONLY BALCK PAINT! All color you see is done with layer style/blending effects. I was trying to make (to see if I could do it) an entire map like this for two reasons. 1) To see if it could be done. Can I make a map only using black paint and the power of photoshop s effects and blending? 2) If I can then others might get a better idea of its power. All of the texture and blending and layering, all of that is done with black paint.

The map was an exercise in photoshop. With all of the other map makers out there I wanted to show them that with a little work you can make a good looking map with only black paint and your imagination.

Still. I will look into making new skull and we can vote.

Captain Crash · Post by **Captain Crash** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:55 am

WidowMakers wrote:
Captain Crash wrote:I still think you can do a much better skull than that WM. It looks lopside and bigheaded.

Well I did change it and others liked the way this one looked.

And this is better than the one with the wonky jaw but, from the graphics you have produced already, I really think that you can improve the skull some more!

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:03 pm

Should there be a bonus effect on the center countries?

Yes, +1 if you hold both Mind & Reason.
52% [ 47 ]
Yes, -1 if you hold Mind
7% [ 7 ]
Yes, -1 if you hold both Mind & Reason.
6% [ 6 ]
No!
32% [ 29 ]

Total Votes : 89

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 2:31 pm

ahhh, the power of black paint!

while your map WM looks great because its over the top with blending options i really dont want to see every map maker start over using them. as it is, I am already a little sick of all the sloppy beveling and profuse outer glow.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:45 pm

Here are the two styles related to the current poll about bonus text wording

Plus I fixed the skull.

New Style SEATS

Old Style

Captain Crash · Post by **Captain Crash** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:12 am

Now that's a skull!

See I told you you could do better!

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:34 am

WM, you're going to want to shoot me, but... regarding the new skull... I can't get past the feeling that the black shading on the left side is something growing on it, or tarred on, or something... not an actual part of the skull. I like the shape much better than the old one, but I like the clean white look of the old one better. Can you get rid of the black goop?

Coleman · Post by **Coleman** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:46 am

Nikolai wrote:WM, you're going to want to shoot me, but... regarding the new skull... I can't get past the feeling that the black shading on the left side is something growing on it, or tarred on, or something... not an actual part of the skull. I like the shape much better than the old one, but I like the clean white look of the old one better. Can you get rid of the black goop?

I couldn't disagree more, but whatever.

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:13 am

Hey, it's your map. You don't have to listen to me.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:17 am

Nikolai wrote:Hey, it's your map. You don't have to listen to me.

We know. The skull stays as is. The black left side is called shading.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:56 am

i don't understand how you make an alliance

anamainiacks · Post by **anamainiacks** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:00 am

I think the Seats make it easier to explain the Alliance thing. But it makes the territories look more cluttered.

Captain Crash · Post by **Captain Crash** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:09 am

Nikolai wrote:WM, you're going to want to shoot me, but... regarding the new skull... I can't get past the feeling that the black shading on the left side is something growing on it, or tarred on, or something... not an actual part of the skull. I like the shape much better than the old one, but I like the clean white look of the old one better. Can you get rid of the black goop?

The black 'goop' looks, IMO, like it's emerging from a shadow, and is very cool!