Pokemon Endgame: Mafia Victory + jonty

[Rodion]

Hmm it's not that onix couldn't be placed as a lyncher, however odd that may be, it's the fact that the lyncher usually wins as soon as he lynches his target. Although there are exceptions I will not name them to let him claim that's what he meant. Him being a lyncher is also not what I pinned his role as being which brings me back to this.

Guys, Fissk did nothing wrong, get off his back.

FOS jimfinn and evilchaos for bandwagonning

FOS freezie for defending those two. I'm really curious as to if they're all working together...

Alright. I'm convinced that AOG and Fissk have characters that are somehow linked. Be it by lovers, best friends, masons, mafia, or maybe some other third party. This blind I must defend fissk attitude seems pretty proving of this. The question will certainly be which though. I guess we'll find out when fissk claims though. If fissk turns out to be scum I know who I'll be looking into on day 2 though. Actually if fissk is scum I guess a cop checking out AOG could be helpful. Unless we feel that there would be enough evidence not to waste the cop investigation on AOG and try one of the other suspicious parties like hank or jonty.

So either AOG is truly just blindly defending fissk or fissk lied in his claim and they are mafia together. The next question that rises for me is why is AOG just blindly defending fissk if fissk is telling the truth? I'm going to keep my vote on AOG because I'm quite suspicious of him right now.

If you think AoG is mafia trying to defend another mafia (Fissk), you can simply vote on Fissk (the mafia that is closer to being lynched).

[kratos644]

Like I said I was asking if we should take the quick lynch on day 1 when we still have 16 days til the deadline or if we should try to force one of the other suspicious people to role claim first. If we just want to lynch and move on I'll vote fissk but I'm waiting to find out. I mean which is considered more beneficial for the town? A quick lynch on someone you're pretty sure is scum or forcing another potential scum to role claim then lynching whichever one you choose. Granted the lynch on fissk will give us some information because if he turns up mafia then AOG becomes extremely suspicious. Just my thoughts.

[evilchaos]

Like I said I was asking if we should take the quick lynch on day 1 when we still have 16 days til the deadline or if we should try to force one of the other suspicious people to role claim first. If we just want to lynch and move on I'll vote fissk but I'm waiting to find out. I mean which is considered more beneficial for the town? A quick lynch on someone you're pretty sure is scum or forcing another potential scum to role claim then lynching whichever one you choose. Granted the lynch on fissk will give us some information because if he turns up mafia then AOG becomes extremely suspicious. Just my thoughts.

We can't force them to role claim. Role claims will only happen if it's beneficial to them (i.e. needed to prevent a lynching or to get scum lynched). Besides, if we go around forcing role claims from everyone who is suspicious, we might accidently reveal a cop or doctor who would promptly be killed by the real scum.

[naxus]

I say we lynch fissk right now. His claim of lyncher and his own wording seem to give him away. Vote Fissk

AOG activity is usual with him. this is his third time(I think) trying to get into mafia. He usually does some suspicous things then goes inactive. No big worry.

On a side note Yellow is king followed by silver then ruby

[evilchaos]

In response to the above, Crystal was better than Silver.

[kratos644]

Like I said I was asking if we should take the quick lynch on day 1 when we still have 16 days til the deadline or if we should try to force one of the other suspicious people to role claim first. If we just want to lynch and move on I'll vote fissk but I'm waiting to find out. I mean which is considered more beneficial for the town? A quick lynch on someone you're pretty sure is scum or forcing another potential scum to role claim then lynching whichever one you choose. Granted the lynch on fissk will give us some information because if he turns up mafia then AOG becomes extremely suspicious. Just my thoughts.

We can't force them to role claim. Role claims will only happen if it's beneficial to them (i.e. needed to prevent a lynching or to get scum lynched). Besides, if we go around forcing role claims from everyone who is suspicious, we might accidently reveal a cop or doctor who would promptly be killed by the real scum.

This is a very good point and like I said the lynch on fissk will give some information on what action should be taken against AOG.

Unvote Vote fissk

[kratos644]

By my count fissk is at L-2 after streaker's unvote and the 2 new votes on fissk

[evilchaos]

@Mod - Could you do an official vote count? Thanks.

[DoomYoshi]

In a hurry, he is at L-1.

[Victor Sullivan]

Screw it, he's not town and I don't feel like dragging this day on any longer: unvote vote Fissk

-Sully

[TheFissk]

Fissk, I think it's time for you to roleclaim.

I'm Onix, a Lyncher. basically I'm looking for a Pokemon, once i've found him/her, i've got to try me hardest to get him lynched, i win if i make to the end and he doesn't

it seems this is creating some confusion so i will reword it closer to the original PM.

i win if at the end i'm alive, i cannot win if my target is still alive

also i left out this detail. my target knows i'm out their and will try get me killed

for that reason i will point my FoS at naxus because

I say we lynch fissk right now. His claim of lyncher and his own wording seem to give him away.

that is one of the worst reasons i've heard so far. plus it is your first real post so far, it may be because you lack the means or because you are scum, and my target.

[nagerous]

Screw it, he's not town and I don't feel like dragging this day on any longer: unvote vote Fissk

-Sully

So, you just went ahead and gave someone the win? Nice one...

He was 3rd party we didn't need to lynch him, we could've hunted a better lead.

FOS Victor for his quick hammer and lack of contribution else where.

[evilchaos]

Screw it, he's not town and I don't feel like dragging this day on any longer: unvote vote Fissk

-Sully

So, you just went ahead and gave someone the win? Nice one...

He was 3rd party we didn't need to lynch him, we could've hunted a better lead.

FOS Victor for his quick hammer and lack of contribution else where.

We don't know if he was actually 3rd party or not. We need to wait and see what Yoshi posts in the death scene.

[nagerous]

Screw it, he's not town and I don't feel like dragging this day on any longer: unvote vote Fissk

-Sully

So, you just went ahead and gave someone the win? Nice one...

He was 3rd party we didn't need to lynch him, we could've hunted a better lead.

FOS Victor for his quick hammer and lack of contribution else where.

We don't know if he was actually 3rd party or not. We need to wait and see what Yoshi posts in the death scene.

I'm gonna hazard a guess that he is, I don't think this guy would be clever enough to fake a claim and if he was clever enough to fake a claim why would he fake claim 3rd party that would make no sense whatsoever and wouldn't help his cause at all.

[evilchaos]

Screw it, he's not town and I don't feel like dragging this day on any longer: unvote vote Fissk

-Sully

So, you just went ahead and gave someone the win? Nice one...

He was 3rd party we didn't need to lynch him, we could've hunted a better lead.

FOS Victor for his quick hammer and lack of contribution else where.

We don't know if he was actually 3rd party or not. We need to wait and see what Yoshi posts in the death scene.

I'm gonna hazard a guess that he is, I don't think this guy would be clever enough to fake a claim and if he was clever enough to fake a claim why would he fake claim 3rd party that would make no sense whatsoever and wouldn't help his cause at all.

This is kind of WIFOM. If he read up on Game Theory a little bit on the Mafia Wiki, he might think to claim 3rd party as everyone expects scum to claim town.

[evilchaos]

EBWOP: And I'm not saying the quick trigger wasn't suspicious, I'm just saying that we shouldn't make conclusions until we know for sure whether or not Fissk made a false claim.

[nagerous]

EBWOP: And I'm not saying the quick trigger wasn't suspicious, I'm just saying that we shouldn't make conclusions until we know for sure whether or not Fissk made a false claim.

I'd rather put my thoughts down now thanks than stay silent.. I don't know whether I will make the night and if I happen to be wrong then the thoughts can later be discarded.

[evilchaos]

I'd rather put my thoughts down now thanks than stay silent.. I don't know whether I will make the night and if I happen to be wrong then the thoughts can later be discarded.

This is a valid point, I hadn't been thinking about it that way.

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry, in my earlier haste I had missed Streaker's unvote. This is the official vote count.

Fircoal (1) - shieldgenerator7
kratos644 (1) - Army of God
jonty125 (1) - nagerous
Mr. Squirrel (1) - sheepofdumb
nagerous (1) - Fircoal
TheFissk (10) - naxus, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, ???, shaggydan, kratos644, jonty125, jimfinn, freezie, evilchaos L-1

[kratos644]

Sorry, in my earlier haste I had missed Streaker's unvote. This is the official vote count.

Fircoal (1) - shieldgenerator7
kratos644 (1) - Army of God
jonty125 (1) - nagerous
Mr. Squirrel (1) - sheepofdumb
nagerous (1) - Fircoal
TheFissk (10) - naxus, Victor Sullivan, Rodion, ???, shaggydan, kratos644, jonty125, jimfinn, freezie, evilchaos L-1

Told you it was L-2 before

[Army of GOD]

Guys, stop with the bandwaggoning. You're all looking like shit right now.

[Streaker]

Guys, stop with the bandwaggoning. You're all looking like shit right now.

Another brilliant defence of Fissk right here

Ok, we have plenty of time left for the day, and we can explore other options.
I believe Fissk somewhat with his new role explanation, and we can be fairly sure that he isn't a big threat atm.

Vote AOg for his shit attempts at protecting Fissk. If we lynch aog and get scum, we can hang Fissk afterwards.

[naxus]

I say we lynch fissk right now. His claim of lyncher and his own wording seem to give him away.

that is one of the worst reasons i've heard so far. plus it is your first real post so far, it may be because you lack the means or because you are scum, and my target.

1.This was my first real post because I replaced Karel.
2. You being lyncher means that you HAVE TO LYNCH YOUR TARGET to win, not just survive to the end with someone else killing your target
3. If I was your target, I wouldn't know it. Only you know who your target is.
4. Your at L-1 and making even weaker defenses of yourself and random weak cases against people.

[Fircoal]

Here's the way I see it. Fissk is obviously either scum or 3rd party. He's not town unless he's a moron. Secondly, that 's not how a lyncher works, so either Fissk is trying to read the wiki and infer how or Yoshi is being weird with his setup. I don't see any reason to keep Fissk around. By learning whether his claim is true or not we can infer what the mafia thought of him as. If he was a lyncher, the mafia would have seen him as town, and thusly the prime bandwagonners should be under suspicion. Honestly I think this lynch should happen just to see this information.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Here's the way I see it. Fissk is obviously either scum or 3rd party. He's not town unless he's a moron. Secondly, that 's not how a lyncher works, so either Fissk is trying to read the wiki and infer how or Yoshi is being weird with his setup. I don't see any reason to keep Fissk around. By learning whether his claim is true or not we can infer what the mafia thought of him as. If he was a lyncher, the mafia would have seen him as town, and thusly the prime bandwagonners should be under suspicion. Honestly I think this lynch should happen just to see this information.

QFT