General Fog of War Poll

[eddie2]

Ditto. One turn doesn't really change that much.

one round i agree doesnt make that much of a change. but why make all members wait 1 extra round to play when there is only a select few that use it. how many are there maybe 100 players use this thing out of how many on the site. also since this is going to affect the whole site should this not be in the sugs forum, or at least general disscusions it seems to me you are pushing to implement something to the site in a area that the majority of players that use it will post. and since it affects all players it should be in a forum that non clan players will read it.

[Chariot of Fire]

I think the suggestion Eddie was to make it a site-wide fix just for fog games, in which the game wouldn't start for 24 hours after initialization (as it is with manual). Therefore it wouldn't affect everyone and all the games, but just the 100 or so players (that you quote) that play with fog.

Personally I think it's a good idea. It would sure save all the messing around and delaying to join fog games last in order to see the drop.

[eddie2]

I think the suggestion Eddie was to make it a site-wide fix just for fog games, in which the game wouldn't start for 24 hours after initialization (as it is with manual). Therefore it wouldn't affect everyone and all the games, but just the 100 or so players (that you quote) that play with fog.

Personally I think it's a good idea. It would sure save all the messing around and delaying to join fog games last in order to see the drop.

cof what i was meaning was people are asking for a site fix for a style that only about 100 players want (these are all clan players) fair enough you want the fix but it is a fix that will delay games so the whole site should have a chance to view this and comment not just members of the clan community as it affects everyone. So this should be in a public forum such as sugs or general discussion because only clan players use the clan forum pages. if it was to get implemented from here it would not be a fair poll.

[angola]

I selected "I like the rule and use it", but on the flip side of what others are saying would not want a site solution.

I think it should be left up to each clan. I think that fog of war is a very valuable addition to this site and don't want it to be bastardized anymore than we, as clans, have already done.

It is the luck of the draw (just like my shitty dice ) as to who gets to go first and, therefore, who gets first look at the map. But that is ConquerClub at its root. Luck.

So leave it be is my vote.

[angola]

I think the suggestion Eddie was to make it a site-wide fix just for fog games, in which the game wouldn't start for 24 hours after initialization (as it is with manual). Therefore it wouldn't affect everyone and all the games, but just the 100 or so players (that you quote) that play with fog.

Personally I think it's a good idea. It would sure save all the messing around and delaying to join fog games last in order to see the drop.

cof what i was meaning was people are asking for a site fix for a style that only about 100 players want (these are all clan players) fair enough you want the fix but it is a fix that will delay games so the whole site should have a chance to view this and comment not just members of the clan community as it affects everyone. So this should be in a public forum such as sugs or general discussion because only clan players use the clan forum pages. if it was to get implemented from here it would not be a fair poll.

If it does get implemented from here, I hope it can somehow be worked out to be a team-game only rule.

[Namor]

cof what i was meaning was people are asking for a site fix for a style that only about 100 players want (these are all clan players) fair enough you want the fix but it is a fix that will delay games so the whole site should have a chance to view this and comment not just members of the clan community as it affects everyone. So this should be in a public forum such as sugs or general discussion because only clan players use the clan forum pages. if it was to get implemented from here it would not be a fair poll.

Firstly, I'd love to know where you sourced your information, to come up with a figure of 100. There are 20,000+ on the site and you think only 0.5% of them play fog.

Secondly, I'm sure that, if it was added as an option, then you could just join the games that aren't set up with it. As for the clan games, if we are waiting 12hrs ATM, then what's another 12hrs in a game that's likely to last 1-4 weeks. A lot of clans spend around 20hrs taking most of the other turns anyway.

[eddie2]

cof what i was meaning was people are asking for a site fix for a style that only about 100 players want (these are all clan players) fair enough you want the fix but it is a fix that will delay games so the whole site should have a chance to view this and comment not just members of the clan community as it affects everyone. So this should be in a public forum such as sugs or general discussion because only clan players use the clan forum pages. if it was to get implemented from here it would not be a fair poll.

Firstly, I'd love to know where you sourced your information, to come up with a figure of 100. There are 20,000+ on the site and you think only 0.5% of them play fog.

Secondly, I'm sure that, if it was added as an option, then you could just join the games that aren't set up with it. As for the clan games, if we are waiting 12hrs ATM, then what's another 12hrs in a game that's likely to last 1-4 weeks. A lot of clans spend around 20hrs taking most of the other turns anyway.

lol easy to work the figure of 100, this is a clan incorperated thing there are about 4 or 5 clans that use it average clan size is 20 so that makes 100. and from the way i read it (might be wrong). the thing would be added to the fog option making it that all fog games would need to have this function.

[Chariot of Fire]

In truth the only people who should even care about this are those who play FoW (the 100 people, lol). If you don't play it then it obviously has no bearing on your enjoyment of CC.

[jpcloet]

In truth the only people who should even care about this are those who play FoW (the 100 people, lol). If you don't play it then it obviously has no bearing on your enjoyment of CC.

Right now the poll tells me about 60% of the general clan population would like the rule and/or site solution. Clan represent just over 1000 players, so my math says that would be about 600 people.

[eddie2]

In truth the only people who should even care about this are those who play FoW (the 100 people, lol). If you don't play it then it obviously has no bearing on your enjoyment of CC.

Right now the poll tells me about 60% of the general clan population would like the rule and/or site solution. Clan represent just over 1000 players, so my math says that would be about 600 people.

wow you only have 50 votes jp and that averages 2 and a half clans voted out of the 30 plus clans that there is.

[jpcloet]

You'd be surprised how many players just want to play the game. I just post the polls, I don't spam inboxes to get participation.

[Chariot of Fire]

52 votes from the '100 players' who you reckon play this format is pretty bloody good.

[eddie2]

52 votes from the '100 players' who you reckon play this format is pretty bloody good.

there is only 31 who agree with it. ow look your clan has 25 of them.

[MichelSableheart]

I kind of find myself agreeing with eddie. Outside of clan wars, the 12H fog rule isn't widely used, as far as I know. The majority of the population of this site are relative casual players. I doubt they would be happy to have to wait 24 hours to start playing their fog game, solely because some of the more competitive players like to have the small strategic advantage of being able to see the board at the start of the game.

[Gold Knight]

52 votes from the '100 players' who you reckon play this format is pretty bloody good.

there is only 31 who agree with it. ow look your clan has 25 of them.

If the other people in clans dont have 5 seconds to select an option and submit their opinion, then they that's their loss and they are at the whim of the people who do take the time. If representatives from one of the sides didnt speak up, a decision would be implemented based on the results acquired and everyone would be pissy afterwards that they didnt get their way. If players really care about this, they should be bringing this up to everyone to participate.

[Namor]

I kind of find myself agreeing with eddie. Outside of clan wars, the 12H fog rule isn't widely used, as far as I know. The majority of the population of this site are relative casual players. I doubt they would be happy to have to wait 24 hours to start playing their fog game, solely because some of the more competitive players like to have the small strategic advantage of being able to see the board at the start of the game.

If the 24hr wait, was an option at creation, then those that don't care about seeing the opening field, can simply join any game that doesn't have the option selected.

This won't harm non fog players and needn't harm fog players that don't want to wait, so the only players that would be affected, are those that WANT to wait 12 hrs... just means they'd have to wait 24 instead. I for one, wouldn't complain about that.

[Chariot of Fire]

Outside of the clan world there are many tourneys that use fog settings. Two examples, each of which has a unique reason for having a delayed start:

Lindax's TLO - quite a few maps throughout this year-long tourney come with foggy settings. It causes delay in joining games because of course the team joining last are guaranteed a view of the map.

lufsen's Bring It On - another long tourney with every map on CC being played on numerous times. Many holders of maps have foggy settings and the challenger is obliged to join first (a definite disadvantage). Lufsen does ask that players wait before taking their turn simply out of courtesy, but this rarely ever happens.

So you see, even tourney organisers outside of the clan world have every good reason to support a site-wide implementation of a 'false' Round 1 whereby both players/teams get to see the drop.

[eddie2]

Outside of the clan world there are many tourneys that use fog settings. Two examples, each of which has a unique reason for having a delayed start:

Lindax's TLO - quite a few maps throughout this year-long tourney come with foggy settings. It causes delay in joining games because of course the team joining last are guaranteed a view of the map.

lufsen's Bring It On - another long tourney with every map on CC being played on numerous times. Many holders of maps have foggy settings and the challenger is obliged to join first (a definite disadvantage). Lufsen does ask that players wait before taking their turn simply out of courtesy, but this rarely ever happens.

So you see, even tourney organisers outside of the clan world have every good reason to support a site-wide implementation of a 'false' Round 1 whereby both players/teams get to see the drop.

well this brings up another one of my points why is this in clan pages only it should be in the sugs forum.

also have there been any complaints about this in tourneys. or even have any tourney organisers even used the 12 hour fog thing. it seems to me that the higher up clans are the ones that want this were your skill should be able to let you know where has been attacked.

[Namor]

also have there been any complaints about this in tourneys. or even have any tourney organisers even used the 12 hour fog thing. it seems to me that the higher up clans are the ones that want this were your skill should be able to let you know where has been attacked.

CoF just told you that some organisers had asked for a courteous delay, but it was ignored most times.


How in hell can you apply skill, to determine which of a series of ?????? was once your territory.

This is all being suggested for the benefit of those that would like to use the Fog rule between themselves. If it is something you don't want, then you don't need to use it, so you needn't concern yourself with this thread.

[jpcloet]

well this brings up another one of my points why is this in clan pages only it should be in the sugs forum.

Because this is simply a poll, there are several suggestions within the thread, but not enough depth or clarity or details as to what the suggestion would be.

[peanutsdad]

if there was a possibility of the site fix so that there was a snapshot at the beginning i'd go for that, but with out that option, i vote do away with it completely, creates to much drama and people whining all the time about you played too early.. whaaaaaaaaaaa..... it's a game people, play it and shut up....

[jackin_u_up]

if there was a possibility of the site fix so that there was a snapshot at the beginning i'd go for that, but with out that option, i vote do away with it completely, creates to much drama and people whining all the time about you played too early.. whaaaaaaaaaaa..... it's a game people, play it and shut up....

I'm with Paddy...play the game.
Sometimes Fogs of war may give you a slight advantage at the start.
But even without the snapshot a good team should be able to overcome it.

[Namor]

if there was a possibility of the site fix so that there was a snapshot at the beginning i'd go for that, but with out that option, i vote do away with it completely, creates to much drama and people whining all the time about you played too early.. whaaaaaaaaaaa..... it's a game people, play it and shut up....

I'm with Paddy...play the game.
Sometimes Fogs of war may give you a slight advantage at the start.
But even without the snapshot a good team should be able to overcome it.

You're right, a "good team" COULD overcome it... against an ordinary team.

However, against another "good team" it would require some lucky dice to pull back. This is why two clans, that have faith in their strategy, would like to start on a level playing field.

[Gypsys Kiss]

This is all being suggested for the benefit of those that would like to use the Fog rule between themselves. If it is something you don't want, then you don't need to use it, so you needn't concern yourself with this thread.

If that is the case, then whats the point of the poll? It is already negotiated 'between themselves' at the start of a war

If, however, it becomes a clan war policy, it does affect affect Eddie and everybody else who doesn't want to use it

[jefjef]

Negotiate a "fog rule" for the war if you're clan really can't handle it.

I vote NO.