Robinette wrote:well if true, this certainly seems worse than being a multi... and it looks like the shackles have already been placed on dug...but we must learn to forgive such sins, free ourselves from the ugly anger that this brews in us all, and live our lives with our chins raised high and our eyes fixed on the prize...
In fact, I would suggest that we would all feel quite benelovent if we choose to unshackle dugcar and all the other criminals who have stolen points during the year...
Oh certainly what they have done is despicable, but think of how good we will all feel inside for giving pardons to all.
I say unlock the prison cell doors, swing open wide the gates, and let them all walk freely into the open meadows before them... Ready the archers... NOW! unleash hell
See, doesn't that give you a warm fussy feeling inside for doing the right thing.
Forgiveness should be weighed in the balances if requested, not handed out freely... not everyone lives in California.
a) thank you for another faulty accusation,,,keep guessing bud.
b) that link to the game u posted a few post back .....isnt that the same game when your partner MEDALOFSHAME got caught cheeting, (multi) and u continued to team up with him after he was caught to just attack me and my team? and u thought that it was fair that after your long time partner got caught cheating that u would continue to use him to try to kill me.
dont you think a honorable player would at least wash his hands of that guy on the spot if in fact u 2 were not in cahooots ?
thanks for the post though man,,, it makes u look neat.
a). So why don't u explain why you "paddle" me then?
b). 61% of the CC players would finish the game
66% of players at the table would the same (finish the game). I understand that you want to win by any means possible, including any cheating available.
woh i'm not even gonna attempt to understand the previous 4 pages of this but i do think that after reading the opening accusations that this should simply be investigated by lack.
if its true then dug that is really low and some serious punishment should be involved. if its not true then u guys owe dug a major apology. sure he can be a dick sometimes but no-one deserves to be deliberately falsely accused of something like this.
3)if this makes your special pal blitz think twice before recruiting strangers just because they have a low score so he can abuse the shitty point system my job was more then accomplished.
You know I can't bring myself to strongly disapprove of Dug's actions like the rest of the posters. The only part I find myself disagreeing with is the I'll buy you premium bit. Bribing players to do something like this is low, but if it were entered into with a similar spirit by the other player, it wouldn't be too bad I think. Then again I wouldn't do it myself so maybe there's some condemnation implicit in that.
Frigidus wrote:but now that it's become relatively popular it's suffered the usual downturn in coolness.
i said i didnt deny it. i didnt say those were my exact words, and they could have be easily been changed.
and show what captinkillroy fucking wrote.
and were the f*ck do u get off fireside saying ive been busted as a multi.
i was falsely accused and u suspended my roommates account or a few days.
then u asked my roomate for $$ and said all would be forgiven if u got paid. and when u didnt get your $$ and u realized your mistake then we were cleared.
if u want me to post the emails you guys sent us asking for $$ i will.
JUST LET ME KNOW.
or if u still need proof, this person would pay u with a credit card if they were givin an immediate refund. ,,, So you would finally STFU about it.
CHANGE THE FUCKING POINT SYSTEM NOW
and do u guys really not think i woulda thought that there was about a 90% chance killroy woulda told blitz?
and if he did, i didnt break any rules, and there would be a big stink and people could finally consider changing this point system, that was only copied lazily from chess and placed on CC.
then u bring in doubles and triple games and dont ajust it accordingly?
get off the FUCKING COUCH !
change the point system.
"""BAN DUGCARR AT ONCE! This is ridiculous and in my opinion a violation of rules."""
Kugelblitz22 wrote:Look at the bright side, at least the worthless scoring system is getting some attention.
Look at the desperate measures Dug had to go to to expose the point system for what it is. He's a martyr in my book.
WOW! I don't know if i would go around taking this guys side.
What he did was sneaky and underhanded. For sure, he is twisted!
I love CC like the next guy but the points aren't the point anyway. For me the idea is to log on and have fun challenging each other in new and unique ways.
If your concern for the point system is genuine then post that and argue that. Don't claim that a underhanded attempt to screw over the point system was supposed to be a protest of the point system.
We wouldn't be here if it had gone down as you "planned".
If you were on top you wouldn't think the system is messed up. Only because you fall short of the glory of blitz, do you whine.
Capt killroy has sent the information to Lack and also will give him his password to prove all that was said is true.
The threats are sad,
and the bribe is sickening, and like I said before the rules spell it out..
it is obvious you were planning a secret attack, and it wasn't announced in any chat.
What if Capt would have went along with this? Any form of collusion between opponents must be announced beforehand in the game chat, in English or in a language all players understand. Secret alliances are hard to prove, but if you suspect one please leave negative feedback to the members in question. Should enough people have the same suspicion, we will take corrective action against the individual(s).
Cheaters detract from the gaming experience of all Conquer Club players, and proactive measures are employed to enforce fair-play. Conquer Club reserves the right to suspend accounts and cancel Premium Memberships, with or without warning, of those players who are deemed to have violated the rules.[/i]
I hope the measures are enforced in this circumstance!!
DUG YOU DID BREAK THE RULES!!! YOU PLANNED A ATTACK OUTSIDE OF THE GAME CHAT!!!
dugcarr1 wrote:
and were the f*ck do u get off fireside saying ive been busted as a multi.
i was falsely accused and u suspended my roommates account or a few days.
then u asked my roomate for $$ and said all would be forgiven if u got paid. and when u didnt get your $$ and u realized your mistake then we were cleared.
I *never* asked for $$. I *never* asked for anything. I *never* even talked to you or your "roommate". You'll have to dig up some better facts than this tripe.
Kugelblitz22 wrote:Look at the bright side, at least the worthless scoring system is getting some attention.
Look at the desperate measures Dug had to go to to expose the point system for what it is. He's a martyr in my book.
WOW! I don't know if i would go around taking this guys side.
What he did was sneaky and underhanded. For sure, he is twisted!
I love CC like the next guy but the points aren't the point anyway. For me the idea is to log on and have fun challenging each other in new and unique ways.
If your concern for the point system is genuine then post that and argue that. Don't claim that a underhanded attempt to screw over the point system was supposed to be a protest of the point system.
We wouldn't be here if it had gone down as you "planned".
If you were on top you wouldn't think the system is messed up. Only
because you fall short of the glory of blitz, do you whine.
The winking emoticon was supposed to communicate that it was a tongue in cheek remark. My apologies.
Edit:
Oh and it's not true that I wouldn't disagree with the scoring system if my score were higher. (Just so you know.)
Last edited by Kugelblitz22 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Congrats Dug....you're the first player I've ever put on my ignore list without actually playing a game with them first. Now I know why some mothers eat their young.
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I'm having trouble understanding the precise allegation being made here. Maybe someone can help me out.
Scenario 1:
Game in question:
Player B
Player C
Player D
Player A wants to play with Player B who for whatever reason doesn't want to play Player A.
So Player A is unable to enter the game presumably because he is on Player B's ignore list.
Player A offers an inducement to Player C, who is already in the game with B to allow A to take over C's slot in the game.
Player C acquiesces and allows A to play the game in C's place.
Player A in the guise of C is now getting to play with B.
In this scenario, player A's action in bribing player C, and player C's acceptance of the bribe are clearly illegal, but the harm to the other players in the game is limited because everyone in the game will be playing in their own interests.
If player A offered such a bribe he should be suspended, if player C accepted such a bribe he should be suspended as well. As there was no harm (just attempted harm) to the other players in the game B and D, I don't think this behavior warrants immediate and permanent banishment.
Scenario 2:
Game in question:
Player A
Player B
Player C
Player D
Player A is ALREADY in a game with player B.
Player A offers an inducement to C, to allow A to take over C's slot in the game.
Player C acquiesces and Player A in the guise of C plays in the game.
Essentially Player A has two dogs in the game, himself and player C whose role he has assumed. Players A and C are now effectively multis.
As in the scenario above both A and C have clearly behaved illegally, but in this scenario the harm to the other players in the game B and D is profound because there exists a secret alliance between A and C. This scenario basically violates both of the only two rules in CC simultaneously (no multiple accounts and no secret alliances) and if perpetrated by an experienced player who should know better should result in his immediate and permanent banishment.
So which scenario is alleged to have happened here?
I'm not sure you guys have fully thought this through. There are only 2 rules here, and Fireside can jump on in if I don't have this right (entirely possible).
For a secret alliance, currently the appropriate action is to block the players from playing with each other. I can only imagine dug is already on Capt Killroy's ignore list, so this does nothing.
For a multi, the appropriate action is to ban the multi accounts and give the premium account a warning. If you are really saying dug was using the Capt Killroy account as his multi, the appropriate action is to BAN the Capt Killroy account and give dug his warning. That doesn't seem the least bit fair to me.
(I put that last part in bold because I sure plenty of people will misread this and think I'm siding against Capt Killroy, which I'm not.)
The exception to these is that lack can do whatever he wants. But just to be clear, he's exercising his right to deny service to anyone, not taking action on a direct rules violation.
dug by bribing someone you might as well be a multi. i could just bribe someone to lose all their games against me. thats no different from being a multi really. i think its low and against the way of the site. i'll let lack pass judgement tho
I have read the Art of War and i in NO way remotely consider you a disciple of Sun Tzu. He believed you should only fight for moral victories, and only take up arms in a honorable endeavor.
You are more closely linked to a piss poor terrorist who when found out claims he is fighting the injustice inherent in the system. Why don't you pick up a book once in a while!
Kugelblitz22 wrote:Look at the bright side, at least the worthless scoring system is getting some attention.
Look at the desperate measures Dug had to go to to expose the point system for what it is. He's a martyr in my book.
WOW! I don't know if i would go around taking this guys side.
What he did was sneaky and underhanded. For sure, he is twisted!
I love CC like the next guy but the points aren't the point anyway. For me the idea is to log on and have fun challenging each other in new and unique ways.
If your concern for the point system is genuine then post that and argue that. Don't claim that a underhanded attempt to screw over the point system was supposed to be a protest of the point system.
We wouldn't be here if it had gone down as you "planned".
If you were on top you wouldn't think the system is messed up. Only
because you fall short of the glory of blitz, do you whine.
The winking emoticon was supposed to communicate that it was a tongue in cheek remark. My apologies.
Edit:
Oh and it's not true that I wouldn't disagree with the scoring system if my score were higher. (Just so you know.)
oh... lol. I normally would have picked up on that! lol
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the politically correct way to extortion????
signed anonymous ,,,,,and when i asked who sent this,,,, no response.
only told we were cleared a few days later. rommy never paid and was turned off by this experience.
thanks though fire...any idea who wrote this?
"""BAN DUGCARR AT ONCE! This is ridiculous and in my opinion a violation of rules."""
