[Split from Cutesy Club 2011]

[krchada]

Or, that there just isn't no God.

Since one can't prove this, then why do people still believe against all odds that their fairly complicated story is true? That is what bugs me. You cannot know that you are right, but nonetheless you will believe in an unlikely story written thousands of years ago by uneducated semitic nomads by which 70% of current population is doomed to eternal suffering. I just don't get it...

Its an irony u say that there is no God but yet u start a discussion on His attribute of love..LOL..we might as well end the topic..

[krchada]

What if your god is imaginary? What then?

What if my God is not imaginary? What then for u?
I tell u the same I said before in my replies..If I am wrong, at least I lived a hopeful, content, peaceful & happy life but if I am right, all the rest we believe after life thanks to our Lord Jesus, like Heaven, etc is a MAJOR BONUS..
However, if u r wrong or right, ur life after death or death itself is a tragic dead-end or worse, hell..So if I were u, I would not rest until I know for sure that God doesn't exist..If so many people claim that there is a God, don't u think it needs to be looked into with more seriousness..or are u god urself that u know everything..come on..

[krchada]

Sure, if you're an ignorant homeschooled fundie who suckles on Andrew Schlafly's metaphorical manboobs, then comprehending stuff like the latest scientifical advances can be a tough nut to crack.
But fear not! Let me again present information to you in a convenient nutshell:
- No one was alive millions of years ago, but with scientifical methods, we have gathered evidence by which we are able to deduce how we have arrived at this point.
- Evolution is a fact. We have the fossil records, DNA sequences, pretty much the entire fields of Biology, Taxonomy, Genetics, etc. etc. Once again, what do you have to prove otherwise?
- There is no evidence of any god, period. If you want to believe in something, it's your business, but don't present it as if it were fact backed by hard evidence.

I wasn't home schooled but I am sure home schooled children don't call the regular school goers ignorant or use filthy words..that be disrespectful & rude..look who was preaching before on being respectful..LOL..
- U mean rigged evolutionary scientific methods..no proof of lab testing or reproducing it..No animal can be evolved into another in a lab of any scientific setting..
- DNA code of a monkey is different from that of a man..when they changed the chromosome in it to match human..it collapsed..read about it urself in genetic experiments of that..Fossils are found..dinosaurs existed, so did humans, apes & other animals before..most dinosaurs except a very few..Crocodiles, Alligators, lizards, komodo dragons either got extinct or killed by humans out of fear or for game..not millions or years ago but only thousands of years..Read Intelligent Design theory online & also Creationism or Creation theory..everything will be clear why Evolution is bogus & wrong..
- There is evidence of God in urself..u have good & bad qualities..u have free will..and u have exactly 5 fingers..2 hands..1 head..etc..just like I do..if we are by chance..we should all look & evolve differently..No set structure in life should exist if its all by chance & everything evolved should be different shaped, since nature has no brain..God has intelligence since He is a creator of structure & beauty..

[krchada]

Now I'll answer some of your questions:
- We have emotions because we evolved that way. They serve a purpose to us as a species. For example, we feel love and the urge to reproduce, so that we would keep reproducing. We feel fear, so that we would know to avoid danger. All this has evolved gradually during millions of years by natural selection.
- For your second question, it's a case of confirmation bias (look it up). Lots of negative things happen when we think positive, and positive things happen even when we think negative. But we as humans have (thanks to evolution) exceptional pattern recognition skills, so we tend to notice only the situations we are looking for.
- We are not the only intelligent animals. (Oh! Did you just say we are animals? What does your bible say about this?) We are the only animals capable of abstract thought, and that is only because we evolved that way. Currently the consensus is that we started using tools with our hands, which developed our brains, which developed our language skills, which further developed our brains, etc. etc. until we arrived here, now.
- Earth is not the only planet we can discover. There are hundreds of other planets discovered already, and many which are theoretically capable of supporting life. We have not discovered life in other planets, because (a) the universe is mind-bogglingly big and (b) all the other planets are too far away, mostly due to (a).

- So u r saying natural selection is a some sort of an intelligent entity to have know to structure it that particular way..So natural selection can be some sort of a creator god to u..LOL..
- I used animals to relate with what ur false evolution theorists state..not that I think we r..lol..if only i heard this the 1s time, i d roll on the floor laughing..we started using tools with hands..so our brains developed..LOL..vice verse would have sounded a lil better..one needs brains to use tools with hands.. ..also one needs brains to develop language skills..not vice verse..come on now..please I cant breathe with so much laughter..
- Name one planet of such that can sustain life that we have discovered..we haven't..may be in movies..LOL..If u study Astronomy some time, u will find that no other planet has been discovered yet that can sustain life in real science..since no proof of such can be found with all our curiosity..LOL..

[krchada]

- For your second question, it's a case of confirmation bias (look it up). Lots of negative things happen when we think positive, and positive things happen even when we think negative. But we as humans have (thanks to evolution) exceptional pattern recognition skills, so we tend to notice only the situations we are looking for.

U say thanks to Evolution like I say thanks to God..LOL..so Evolution must be some sort of a god to u.. Who gave us that exceptional patter recognition..ur god evolution..LOL..hahahah..oh man u making me laugh hard today..

[Haggis_McMutton]

Heh, come on natty, you're talking to him of confirmation bias and the evolution of sentiments? You can't teach calculus to someone who hasn't yet mastered addition. They'll just be like :"an infinite sum? haha that's ridiculous, you'd be standing there adding FOREVER".

Anyway, let's see some discussion more on our fellow fundie's intellectual level:

How did Noah get all the animals on the ark? What about kangaroos and animals like that that only live in some geographic regions? What about microbes and viruses, did he get 2 of each?

How did the whole population come from two people? I knew god's into some perverted shit, but wow, there was some serious incest going on there.

Do you believe that the world is flat(a disk) and that the sun revolves around the earth as the bible teaches us?

Why do virtually all scientists reject the notion of a 6000 year old Earth? Are they part of a conspiracy to persecute christians? Are they all satanists?

Let's talk some bible:
2 Kings 2:23-24
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

Do you think having 42 children mauled by bears is fair punishment for calling someone baldy? Was this an instance of god's kindness, his forgiveness or of his infallible reason?

[krchada]

Heh, come on natty, you're talking to him of confirmation bias and the evolution of sentiments? You can't teach calculus to someone who hasn't yet mastered addition. They'll just be like :"an infinite sum? haha that's ridiculous, you'd be standing there adding FOREVER".

I didn't know u all were trying to teach me mathematics all this time.. ..When both confirmation bias & evolution of sentiments are bogus theories & part of a completely bogus theory of Evolution, why would anyone in their right mind want to learn them?

[krchada]

Anyway, let's see some discussion more on our fellow fundie's intellectual level:
How did Noah get all the animals on the ark? What about kangaroos and animals like that that only live in some geographic regions? What about microbes and viruses, did he get 2 of each?

God, who can do all things, helped him gather all animals..for even animals are obedient to God by nature..Viruses & microbes didn't need a boat or land to survive..Read biology again ur smartness..

[krchada]

How did the whole population come from two people? I knew god's into some perverted shit, but wow, there was some serious incest going on there.

In some cultures even today, people marry their own cousins..so within family marriages are acceptable in some odd cases only..That has nothing to do with perversion or incest..like ur pervert head thought for a min..lol..

[krchada]

Do you believe that the world is flat(a disk) and that the sun revolves around the earth as the bible teaches us?

No where in the Bible is found that the Earth or the world is flat..read it for urself..of course I cant claim that u r ignorant of that or u will be offended.. ..And no where in the Bible does it say the sun revolved around the earth either..People used to assume that with lack of discovery in the past..

[krchada]

Why do virtually all scientists reject the notion of a 6000 year old Earth? Are they part of a conspiracy to persecute christians? Are they all satanists?

No, I don't think they are all satanists but almost all of those scientists who don't believe in God will have it in their mind to disprove God to others in some way or fashion..But many scientists, doctors, researchers & educators who believe in God of course will be more like me & will never ever accept the bogus imaginative theory of Evolution..

[krchada]

Let's talk some bible:
2 Kings 2:23-24
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.

Do you think having 42 children mauled by bears is fair punishment for calling someone baldy? Was this an instance of god's kindness, his forgiveness or of his infallible reason?

Do u know the meaning of Jeered & how many times they kept calling him names etc..There is a theory that Elisha let those boys go a few times before he lost his patience with them..those boys may have had an evil spirit in them..God knows people's hearts better than u & me can ever know..God also commanded the Jews to destroy entire races for their evilness & disobedience towards God & His people..God is the fair judge of all punishment..not u or me..cause He sees everything & knows everything..Who are we to question our creator..All I know is that He is more loving, kind, merciful & forgiving than wrathful or vengeful. Even the best of people we know lose their patience sometime or another mainly when there is a just reason to do so..

[tkr4lf]

Dude...all this stuff you are saying...even the hardcore fundamentalist Christians that I know/have known would call you a nutjob. Your beliefs and ideas are contrary to the majority of Christians. Why do you even bring this crap up? Do you enjoy making yourself look like a fool and a whackjob? Cuz you're succeeding!

Hardcore fundamentalist Christians u know & have known..who u kidding..lol..if u did know them, then u wouldn't be where u are at, lost & confused..I am not the one looking like a fool in God's eyes for sure..And I am not here to please u or ur fellow agnostics..I am here to be witness for God, so one or many of u can realize the Truth & be saved hopefully one day..As of now though..u don't sound that intelligent or civilized either with ur rude & obnoxious comments..lol..

Hey, that's pretty cool how you presume to know anything at all about me or my life. My dad and his entire family are all hardcore Christian fundamentalists. And, my dad forced me to go to a crazy fundamentalist church when I was in my teens. So...YES, I DID, AND STILL DO, KNOW A GOOD NUMBER OF HARDCORE CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS. Thanks for being presumptuous about something you have no idea about.

And also, I don't think you know a goddamned thing about sounding intelligent or civilized. You can't type a clear sentence to save your life. You sound like a 15 year old. Learn to type correctly, learn how to use the English language, learn how to type a clear and coherent sentence, and then, MAYBE, you will be qualified to judge another persons level of intelligence.

And yes, maybe my posts are rude and obnoxious. For that I apologize. BUT, you're the one on here trying to force your beliefs down our throats, and I, as well as many others, would consider that to be VERY rude and obnoxious.

[tkr4lf]

Naw, I actually like this guy because his views are wholly separate from the majority of Christians. While they have been "modernized" for lack of a better term, he maintains a belief in the literal Bible. I find that refreshing.

Well, it's definitely different. But I find it to be even more annoying/dangerous/stupid than Christians who don't interpret the bible literally. Just my thoughts.

So also ur pick is annoying & disturbing every time it pops up with ur msg..

Well, too bad. If you find my avatar offensive, report it the mods so that nothing will happen. There is nothing against the rules in my pic, so they won't make change it. And what's so bad about it, it's a picture of a rather fat lady. Do you hate fat people the way that you hate homosexuals? Does God hate fat people as much as he hates homosexuals? It's pretty funny that the message from most Christians is that God loves all of his children, but the message from fundamentalists like yourself is that God hates homosexuals. So, which is it? Does God hate homos, or doesn't he?

[tkr4lf]

Heh, come on natty, you're talking to him of confirmation bias and the evolution of sentiments? You can't teach calculus to someone who hasn't yet mastered addition. They'll just be like :"an infinite sum? haha that's ridiculous, you'd be standing there adding FOREVER".

I didn't know u all were trying to teach me mathematics all this time.. ..When both confirmation bias & evolution of sentiments are bogus theories & part of a completely bogus theory of Evolution, why would anyone in their right mind want to learn them?

You think confirmation bias is a bogus theory? Seriously? Do you even know what it is? It's been observed and reported over and over again! I suppose you don't believe in the placebo effect either?

[natty dread]

U say thanks to Evolution like I say thanks to God..LOL..so Evolution must be some sort of a god to u..

It's now official. This is the most stupid thing anyone has ever posted on these forums or any others. Congratulations.

Who gave us that exceptional patter recognition..ur god evolution..LOL..hahahah..oh man u making me laugh hard today..

Evolution also gave you the ability to laugh.

Care to present some rational arguments or more badly spelled ranting about your god?

When both confirmation bias & evolution of sentiments are bogus theories

This is a new one. Confirmation bias is a bogus theory? Care to elaborate on this? Do you know what confirmation bias means?

& part of a completely bogus theory of Evolution, why would anyone in their right mind want to learn them?

Confirmation bias is in no way any part of the TOE.
Why would you want to learn about evolution? You don't have to. Unless you start making claims about evolution not being true. To me it seems really stupid to claim something to be bogus if you don't know anything about it.

- So u r saying natural selection is a some sort of an intelligent entity to have know to structure it that particular way..So natural selection can be some sort of a creator god to u..LOL..

Ok, now I'm starting to think you're just trolling. No one is that daft. I hope.

Then again, maybe you're just so indoctrinated into your fundamentalistic religion that you can't think of anything outside the framework of your god-satan-dichotomies?

See, here's the thing: a scientific theory isn't a matter of belief. A scientific theory is backed by evidence. It's not something that I decide to believe because I "hate christians" or "hate god" or "worship satan" or some such nonsense. I'm actually agnostic to the idea of god. I don't believe in the christian god, I don't believe in satan. I'm open to the idea that an entity that we could comprehend as a "god" could exist, but so far, no one has shown me proof of such, so I remain skeptic about it.

The point is, I don't accept a scientifical theory because of belief, and I don't make science into an object of worship.

I don't worship anything. If there is a god, I'm pretty sure it doesn't care a flying f*ck if I worship it or not. Why would an infinitely wise and benevolent being want it's ego stroked by human worship? It doesn't even make any sense. And if there is no god, then it makes even less sense to worship one.

So no, natural selection is not a "creator god" to me. Natural selection is a process that has evidence to back it up. You can cover your eyes and ears all you like, but it won't change the facts. Natural selection is something that occurs over long time. It's not an entity of any kind. It simply means that organisms that are better adapted to their environment are more likely to survive and reproduce, thus carrying on their genes. Does this not make sense to you? When repeated over millions of years, with a pinch of random mutation added to the mix, the result is us.

- I used animals to relate with what ur false evolution theorists state..not that I think we r..lol..if only i heard this the 1s time, i d roll on the floor laughing..we started using tools with hands..so our brains developed..LOL..vice verse would have sounded a lil better..one needs brains to use tools with hands.. ..also one needs brains to develop language skills..not vice verse..come on now..please I cant breathe with so much laughter..

Ah, backtracking already? So now humans aren't animals. What are we then?

Again, just because you don't understand science, doesn't mean that it's wrong. Here's an example. Does the functionality of a turbojet engine make any sense to you if explained in a brief manner? Air is taken in by a rotating fan, a liquid that is distilled from oil is sprinkled in, is ignited and as a result it spins the rotating fan. And this makes airplanes fly.

To me, if I didn't know anything about combustion engines or aerodynamics, such an explanation wouldn't make any sense. So in a way, I understand you. What I don't understand is, how can you dismiss something out of hand when you don't bother even to learn what it is actually about? How can you be so closed-minded, that you never once consider the possibility that the indoctrination that you've been taught might be wrong?

Using tools with hands develops brains. This is not an extraordinary claim. Look up some recent scientifical studies into how the human brain works. Or do you think those are bogus studies as well? If all that science is bogus, how can modern society even function?

- Name one planet of such that can sustain life that we have discovered..we haven't..may be in movies..LOL..If u study Astronomy some time, u will find that no other planet has been discovered yet that can sustain life in real science..since no proof of such can be found with all our curiosity..LOL..

Just one? Gliese 581c.

Lots of exoplanets have been found. Some are theoretically capable of sustaining life. We don't know for sure because they are too far away for us to explore. But what we know of them, based on what we can find out from afar, some of them could be capable of sustaining life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exoplanet

I wasn't home schooled but I am sure home schooled children don't call the regular school goers ignorant or use filthy words..that be disrespectful & rude..look who was preaching before on being respectful..LOL..

Yes they do. For the record, when was I calling homeschooled children anything? I wasn't.

- U mean rigged evolutionary scientific methods..no proof of lab testing or reproducing it..No animal can be evolved into another in a lab of any scientific setting..

Ahem. Richard Lenski proved that evolution is true in a lab experiment where bacteria evolved to use a food source they couldn't use before.

You were wrong. Maybe you're wrong about other things as well, hmm?

- DNA code of a monkey is different from that of a man..

Only by about 2%.

when they changed the chromosome in it to match human..it collapsed..read about it urself in genetic experiments of that..

Read my lips: any current monkeys or apes are not our ancestors. Theory of Evolution does not claim that they are. They evolved from the same ancestors as we did. If their genes are incompatible with ours, it just means they evolved in a different direction - which should be obvious anyway.

most dinosaurs except a very few..Crocodiles, Alligators, lizards, komodo dragons either got extinct or killed by humans out of fear or for game..

LOL, komodo dragons, crocodiles and alligators are not dinosaurs.

Not to mention that dinosaurs and humans never coexisted.

Read Intelligent Design theory online & also Creationism or Creation theory..everything will be clear why Evolution is bogus & wrong..

Intelligent design is a bunch of bullshit by people who don't understand science and try to twist everything to fit their presupposed views, only because they feel that the scientifical facts threaten their religious worldview. I've heard all the arguments of ID proponents, none of them make any sense whatsoever.

- There is evidence of God in urself..u have good & bad qualities..u have free will..and u have exactly 5 fingers..2 hands..1 head..etc..just like I do..

this is comedy gold. How does the amount of my fingers prove god?

if we are by chance..we should all look & evolve differently..

Evolution is not chance. It's not random. It's very specific: the organisms best adapted to their environment survive and pass on their genes.

This is the one thing you YEC people never understand: it all happens gradually, VERY slowly, over a VERY FUCKING LONG time. Try to comprehend it. It's easy if you actually try.

[dijxtra]

Naw, I actually like this guy because his views are wholly separate from the majority of Christians. While they have been "modernized" for lack of a better term, he maintains a belief in the literal Bible. I find that refreshing.

No, it's not refreshing because he very well might be a registered voter in the US and thus have influence on destinies of every single one of us. I mean, I live 8 thousand kilometers from Washington, and I still feel the consequences of USA having an religious nutjob for a president for 8 years. So, no, it's not refreshing at all.

At least in my opinion

[dijxtra]

They are wrong because all those gods never existed, they came out of their imagination & fear..

How do you know that Yeshuah didn't come from your imagination and fear? Why are they wrong and you right? What's so special about your religion that your religion is the only right one in the whole history of mankind, while all others are false? If every religion up until Christianity was false and created by men, then why would Christianity be any different?

[dijxtra]

That doesn't answer my question: if you don't understand something, why does that mean that God did it? What does it have to do with good or bad? I'm asking you a simple question: why is God responsible for everything you don't understand? What if it turns out there is a perfectly reasonable explanation, and you were just ignorant to call it God's work?

Any other perfectly reasonable explanation that may include the evolution of everything from no-matter or an atom will not be sufficient to explain everything for ex: why do we humans have emotions, why do things happen positive when we think positive & negative when we think negative, why are we the only animals with intelligence extreme, why is Earth the only planet with life in the entire Universe we could discover so far, etc..please don't try to answer those questions with evolution cause it will be a bogus explanation already heard..

Who said I support evolution? I didn't mention evolution not once. I asked you a totaly different question. Let me repeat it:

If you don't understand something, why does that mean that God did it?

If I don't know why do we humans have emotions, why do things happen positive when we think positive & negative when we think negative, why are we the only animals with intelligence extreme, why is Earth the only planet with life in the entire Universe we could discover so far, etc.. why does it mean than God did it?

[dijxtra]

But the fact is I do know when it comes to God thanks to Him & His grace..

How do you know that you are not brainwashed? How do you know you are not just imagining?

How do u know u are not brain dead in accepting God or blinded from the Truth?

I don't know. That's why I don't go around and post my opinions on topics about Valentine's day poems.

How do u know that ur imagination is not at work as well?

Because I don't hear voices in my head. I'm not imagining anything.

I d rather have a hopeful Godly loving brainwash than have a hopeless dead end at death..If I am wrong, at least I lived a peaceful, content & happy life but if I am right, the bonus is only mine. If u are right or wrong, its tragic ur end..even if u lived a happy life..

So, what you are saying is that you in fact do not believe in God, but that you just pretend so that if God is real you do not go to hell?

[dijxtra]

Or, that there just isn't no God.

Since one can't prove this, then why do people still believe against all odds that their fairly complicated story is true? That is what bugs me. You cannot know that you are right, but nonetheless you will believe in an unlikely story written thousands of years ago by uneducated semitic nomads by which 70% of current population is doomed to eternal suffering. I just don't get it...

Its an irony u say that there is no God but yet u start a discussion on His attribute of love..LOL..we might as well end the topic..

Where did I say there is no God? I just said that is an option. Do you understand the difference? Because, if you don't, I'll be happy to explain it to you.

[Aradhus]

What if your god is imaginary? What then?

What if my God is not imaginary? What then for u?
I tell u the same I said before in my replies..If I am wrong, at least I lived a hopeful, content, peaceful & happy life but if I am right, all the rest we believe after life thanks to our Lord Jesus, like Heaven, etc is a MAJOR BONUS..
However, if u r wrong or right, ur life after death or death itself is a tragic dead-end or worse, hell..So if I were u, I would not rest until I know for sure that God doesn't exist..If so many people claim that there is a God, don't u think it needs to be looked into with more seriousness..or are u god urself that u know everything..come on..

What if... you're walking down the street, and by chance two serperate glances meet, and I am you and what I see is me, do I take you by the hand
and lead you through the land, help me understand the best I can?

What if.. I am the resurrection and I am the light?

[tkr4lf]

What if your god is imaginary? What then?

What if my God is not imaginary? What then for u?
I tell u the same I said before in my replies..If I am wrong, at least I lived a hopeful, content, peaceful & happy life but if I am right, all the rest we believe after life thanks to our Lord Jesus, like Heaven, etc is a MAJOR BONUS..
However, if u r wrong or right, ur life after death or death itself is a tragic dead-end or worse, hell..So if I were u, I would not rest until I know for sure that God doesn't exist..If so many people claim that there is a God, don't u think it needs to be looked into with more seriousness..or are u god urself that u know everything..come on..

What if... you're walking down the street, and by chance two serperate glances meet, and I am you and what I see is me, do I take you by the hand
and lead you through the land, help me understand the best I can?

What if.. I am the resurrection and I am the light?

hahahahahahaha...You're freakin awesome, Arad!

[Neoteny]

Ha that's in my sig as a joke, dude... all magic men are just as ridiculous as shiva... how am I supposed to tell which is the true god when I'm spitting? They all say the same stupid things. I'm not afraid of your petty magics... Breathe life into me? That's not worth worship... the way you talk about satan makes me think u fear him more than you fear ur magician friend.

LOL..fear satan..what made u even think that..we are on opposite sides & he is my true enemy..With God on my side, what do I have to fear..The way u tell is by thinking like this..cause u cant really spit at an invisible, all powerful, unreachable God or Spirit of this Universe who created it all..

Lol ur right, u can't spit on invisible, all powerdul, unreachable, nonexistent thing... what u see is what you get and I don't see ur god or ur satan anywhere... they are all in ur head... that's why ur afraid of them.

[BigBallinStalin]

But the fact is I do know when it comes to God thanks to Him & His grace..

How do you know that you are not brainwashed? How do you know you are not just imagining?

Well, you don't, and you can't ever know.

One can't prove that there is or isn't a Great Deceiver, or Evil Genius/Demon.

Or, that there just isn't no God.

Since one can't prove this, then why do people still believe against all odds that their fairly complicated story is true? That is what bugs me. You cannot know that you are right, but nonetheless you will believe in an unlikely story written thousands of years ago by uneducated semitic nomads by which 70% of current population is doomed to eternal suffering. I just don't get it...

I never knew scientists were uneducated semitic nomads...

I liked how you presupposing my beliefs too!



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