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[aage]

We're not getting anywhere with this discussion about the meaning of NV. Back to the actual case. With Victor clearly not here and contributing, let's get rid of the dead weight.

Nobody is really helping so what makes you have less weight than him?

I'm confirmed town by aage? If anything, I should have more weight than him.

Your saying that you have more dead weight and are therefor more useless than him?

Filthy word twister

I guess I made this sound too much like a joke but these practices of word twisting and trying to frame a confirmed towny into making some stupid vocabulary mistake is too scummy to ignore IMHO. This deserved my cop power tonight if nothing more.

[spiesr]

I guess I made this sound too much like a joke but these practices of word twisting and trying to frame a confirmed towny into making some stupid vocabulary mistake is too scummy to ignore IMHO. This deserved my cop power tonight if nothing more.

My joke was scummy? I could see that being the case if I had either done something like that with a serious statement, or implied that my joke itself was a serious statement.

I think my opinion has more weight, but apparently nobody else thinks so. So I'll just let frenchie boss everyone around some more.

As for ga7, the way I see it. Either he really is town and probably has among the best chances of finding and his opinions should be given good consideration. Or he is the godfather, in that case we have probably already basically lost.

Now for the case at hand. Should we lynch Victor? By my count he currently has like 3 votes. /'s Vote count says 7 are needed for a lynch, but I only count 11 people alive which would mean only 6 votes are required. As for Victor's activity, he has been logging in and has posted elsewhere, but appears to have no intent to continue this or any other mafia games. Could he be replaced? I really want to hear some things from him before I he would be lynched. I can imagine it would be hard to get someone to replace a player in this situation though. I need to hear Victor's role claim before I a completely comfortable lynching him at this point. I can through my vote on him as pressure if you guys think I should, but I doubt that will make him return to the thread...

[ga7]

And again is rehashed the BS that I could be GF. Seriously, dunno if you noticed over the years but my moves use logic, hell I even weirdly WIFOM as mafia, and I got a scum lynched out of fucking nowhere. Flores was active at the time too and could have been easily replaced if needed. You're looking more scummy by the post with this kind of already discussed conjectures, especially with your sudden urge to get Victor replaced.
Yes, it's quite possible we will not get a post from Victor, and yes he is scum so no townie should care about that.

[safariguy5]

Maybe a quick pm from to mod to see if he's gonna come back or not? Otherwise, let's just get the lynch over with and move to night. I'm not seeing anyone offer a better alternate than victor.

[VioIet]

Aage and ga7, I really think investigating spiesr would be a wasted investigation, as he has already been investigated. Just call it a strong hunch if you like.

I think Victor should be replaced. I volunteer commander9 to replace Victor. His campus is closed this week, so he has enough time

[Mr. Squirrel]

Although I feel it is a pointless discussion, I feel that ga7 is town and I trust him. He has done nothing but help town so far and I see no reason to think he would be anything otherwise.

I would rather see victor replaced than lynched, but we will see what the mod wants to do there.

And if I now know what I think i know, then I should lay off you a bit. Perhaps I got you all wrong.

Think nothing of it. But just know, you probably ruined your chances at a second one.

[VioIet]

Think nothing of it. But just know, you probably ruined your chances at a second one.

LOL that's quite alright. I hate cheese anyway. And cream. Just be sure that you don't give it to scum.

[Victor Sullivan]

I would rather see victor replaced than lynched.

I agree, I have to lessen my responsibilities, so I must regretfully ask to be replaced.

[/]

tailgunner has replaced victor.

Vote count

Victor 3 votes: Haggis, GA, safariguy5
fir 2 votes: spiesr and vio

prodding xuereb and sending angry letters to non-voters

deadline this saturday

[TA1LGUNN3R]

hey all confirm. I will have to read this thread, give me a day.

-Tails

[Fircoal]

tailgunner has replaced victor.

Vote count

Victor 3 votes: Haggis, GA, safariguy5
fir 2 votes: spiesr and vio

prodding xuereb and sending angry letters to non-voters

deadline this saturday

I wanna hear TAils speak before I do any voting of any kindzel.

[Mr. Squirrel]

tailgunner has replaced victor.

Vote count

Victor 3 votes: Haggis, GA, safariguy5
fir 2 votes: spiesr and vio

prodding xuereb and sending angry letters to non-voters

deadline this saturday

I wanna hear TAils speak before I do any voting of any kindzel.

Samezel

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Okay WHEW that was quite a power-read. I forgot herk was in this game, that's always entertaining.

I wanna hear TAils speak before I do any voting of any kindzel.

And I want you to update Roll Mafia.

Time to Unvote Vote Victor, most likely to have missed actions, scummiest, lousiest defense a few pages back, and most expandable as opposed to people harder to read/needing investigating.

So would everyone agree that this is the case on Vic/me? I can't account for his inactivity, but he did work in the interest of town. I can understand if that's hard to believe, it is Victor we're talking about. He didn't miss any actions, which I found to be the most unbelievable. It's hard to defend Vic's actions, apart from general inactivity, so if y'all wish to keep me as lead suspect that's fine, but please give me individual incidents that I can address one at a time. I mean I think it was Haggis who pointed out that he only had like 4 serious posts, and I'm of the opinion he probably only did those because people were complaining about his lack of serious posts. He had 27 posts in this game, so 4 of 27 isn't a lot to get an actual read on somebody. But like I said, I'm more than willing to address points one at a time.

As for the scummiest in my book: spiesr and vio. Ga7 has already stated his suspicions of spiesr, and I agree with him. First:

As for ga7, the way I see it. Either he really is town and probably has among the best chances of finding and his opinions should be given good consideration. Or he is the godfather, in that case we have probably already basically lost.

I think at this point it's apparent ga7 is town.

Aage and ga7, I really think investigating spiesr would be a wasted investigation, as he has already been investigated. Just call it a strong hunch if you like.

Unabashed defense of spiesr. And this isn't the first post doing so from her. Pardon the meta, but Vio can't seem to separate feelings from logic in mafia, so I don't see her ever selling her scummate down river for her own benefit (sorry but I would do this in a heartbeat, but then I'm a bastard like that). I think she would either stay silent on the matter or try and defend them, regardless of the consequences.

@aage--I can understand your investigation of ga7 earlier on, but why did you choose to investigate Haggis and Saf? Any particular reasons, or just playing the numbers?

-Tails

[DrewDude]

Maybe a vote on someone random like aage would be appropriate.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Maybe a vote on someone random like aage would be appropriate.

You're the one with two votes...make it happen. Also, do you steal others votes, or do you just have two?

-Tails

[safariguy5]

Maybe a vote on someone random like aage would be appropriate.

Way to suggest voting the cop there...

[aage]

@aage--I can understand your investigation of ga7 earlier on, but why did you choose to investigate Haggis and Saf? Any particular reasons, or just playing the numbers?

-Tails

I needed people that were posting, but who also would be alive in endgame. I don't view either Haggis or Safariguy as a potential mafia target. Then again, I do think ga7 would attract some gunfire... I guess I just had to be sure he was town first

[spiesr]

So would everyone agree that this is the case on Vic/me? I can't account for his inactivity, but he did work in the interest of town. I can understand if that's hard to believe, it is Victor we're talking about. He didn't miss any actions, which I found to be the most unbelievable. It's hard to defend Vic's actions, apart from general inactivity, so if y'all wish to keep me as lead suspect that's fine, but please give me individual incidents that I can address one at a time.

Yeah, I don't know what you can really do in this situation. The case against victor doesn't really have that much for points that could be answered to. I personally would think that a roleclaim might be the only this that could convince me either way at this point.

As for ga7, the way I see it. Either he really is town and probably has among the best chances of finding and his opinions should be given good consideration. Or he is the godfather, in that case we have probably already basically lost.

I think at this point it's apparent ga7 is town.

My intent with that post wasn't to advocate any theory about ga7 being town, but rather to point out that it would be a waste of time to pursue that avenue, as if he is he will be unbeatable at this point. We have to assume that he isn't as it is the only possibility that could lead to a town victory. On a related note, in every game that I am in with him, I am constantly suspecting and moreover fearing that he might be in some such role.

[Mr. Squirrel]

So would everyone agree that this is the case on Vic/me? I can't account for his inactivity, but he did work in the interest of town. I can understand if that's hard to believe, it is Victor we're talking about. He didn't miss any actions, which I found to be the most unbelievable. It's hard to defend Vic's actions, apart from general inactivity, so if y'all wish to keep me as lead suspect that's fine, but please give me individual incidents that I can address one at a time.

Yeah, I don't know what you can really do in this situation. The case against victor doesn't really have that much for points that could be answered to. I personally would think that a roleclaim might be the only this that could convince me either way at this point.

This is just rolefishing. If there are no real ways for him to defend himself (the wagon was weak to begin with) that doesn't mean he should just claim. Claiming is a last resort, not something you just do whenever there is the slightest suspicion of you.

As for ga7, the way I see it. Either he really is town and probably has among the best chances of finding and his opinions should be given good consideration. Or he is the godfather, in that case we have probably already basically lost.

I think at this point it's apparent ga7 is town.

My intent with that post wasn't to advocate any theory about ga7 being town, but rather to point out that it would be a waste of time to pursue that avenue, as if he is he will be unbeatable at this point. We have to assume that he isn't as it is the only possibility that could lead to a town victory. On a related note, in every game that I am in with him, I am constantly suspecting and moreover fearing that he might be in some such role.

If there is no evidence against ga7, then why would you investigate him? Being cautious is one thing, but this just sounds paranoid. You don't investigate people whom you believe to be town. You investigate possible scum. I thought this became common sense after 2 games of mafia or so.

[spiesr]

As for ga7, the way I see it. Either he really is town and probably has among the best chances of finding and his opinions should be given good consideration. Or he is the godfather, in that case we have probably already basically lost.

I think at this point it's apparent ga7 is town.

My intent with that post wasn't to advocate any theory about ga7 being town, but rather to point out that it would be a waste of time to pursue that avenue, as if he is he will be unbeatable at this point. We have to assume that he isn't as it is the only possibility that could lead to a town victory. On a related note, in every game that I am in with him, I am constantly suspecting and moreover fearing that he might be in some such role.

If there is no evidence against ga7, then why would you investigate him? Being cautious is one thing, but this just sounds paranoid. You don't investigate people whom you believe to be town. You investigate possible scum. I thought this became common sense after 2 games of mafia or so.

Where in my post did I say anything about investigating ga7?

[Fircoal]

Okay WHEW that was quite a power-read. I forgot herk was in this game, that's always entertaining.

I wanna hear TAils speak before I do any voting of any kindzel.

And I want you to update Roll Mafia.

BEEN DONE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCH

Time to Unvote Vote Victor, most likely to have missed actions, scummiest, lousiest defense a few pages back, and most expandable as opposed to people harder to read/needing investigating.

So would everyone agree that this is the case on Vic/me? I can't account for his inactivity, but he did work in the interest of town. I can understand if that's hard to believe, it is Victor we're talking about. He didn't miss any actions, which I found to be the most unbelievable.

I don't believe it....

As for the scummiest in my book: spiesr and vio. Ga7 has already stated his suspicions of spiesr, and I agree with him. First:

Unabashed defense of spiesr. And this isn't the first post doing so from her. Pardon the meta, but Vio can't seem to separate feelings from logic in mafia, so I don't see her ever selling her scummate down river for her own benefit (sorry but I would do this in a heartbeat, but then I'm a bastard like that). I think she would either stay silent on the matter or try and defend them, regardless of the consequences.

I have to agree with you. I think quite a bit of us have some suspicion of spiesr. The note about Violet is very interesting. That would match up with her behavior, and I think if we lynch one and they're scum the other might also be scumzel. With no leads it might be something worth pursueing.

[safariguy5]

Yeah, I think we all just got happy with lynching an inactive over actually looking for a good case. Unless ga7 can find some stronger evidence, I don't think we can put tails to the rope just yet.

unvote

[Mr. Squirrel]

As for ga7, the way I see it. Either he really is town and probably has among the best chances of finding and his opinions should be given good consideration. Or he is the godfather, in that case we have probably already basically lost.

I think at this point it's apparent ga7 is town.

My intent with that post wasn't to advocate any theory about ga7 being town, but rather to point out that it would be a waste of time to pursue that avenue, as if he is he will be unbeatable at this point. We have to assume that he isn't as it is the only possibility that could lead to a town victory. On a related note, in every game that I am in with him, I am constantly suspecting and moreover fearing that he might be in some such role.

If there is no evidence against ga7, then why would you investigate him? Being cautious is one thing, but this just sounds paranoid. You don't investigate people whom you believe to be town. You investigate possible scum. I thought this became common sense after 2 games of mafia or so.

Where in my post did I say anything about investigating ga7?

Whoops! Sorry, I got confused. I thought at some point you said that you wanted him investigated. I haven't played this many games at once in a very long time so I'm starting to get confused. My bad.
unvote vote squirrel for skimming

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I personally would think that a roleclaim might be the only this that could convince me either way at this point.

I'm not gonna claim on such weak evidence. Here's about the scummiest thing Victor said:

Those were good times, eh, Haggis? Ah... Anyways, back to the business at hand. I disagree with your points, but arguing against them would just be pointless, as these arguments would be based on pure opinion and little fact. Still investigating who to suspect for a lynch.

When Haggis made a case against Vic, this was his response. Basically he does nothing to defend himself. Fircoal also asks him to defend himself, and he still doesn't. It's hard to say what Vic what do, but imo any person who is scum would at least try and come up with some half-assed excuses. Maybe that's wifom but there you go.

To continue with my thoughts from earlier: vote spiesr.

-Tails

[VioIet]

My gosh. You guys just can't seem to read through the lines. I want to see another vote count before I talk more.