Dukefleed farming new recruits [noted]

by **shocked439** on Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:11 pm

Accused:

dukefleed

The accused are suspected of:

Other: farming new recruits

Game number(s):Game 8339488 Game 8339486 Game 8317126
Game 8303719

Comments: a friend of mine joined the site and I wanted to invite him to some private games to teach him how to play. I looked at his active games to see how many open he had and I noticed his one other active game is with a colonel and 4 ?'s I looked at the colonels game list and the entire first page is 5 player Montreal and Canada everygame has a new recruit if not 4 of em in it.

by **hmsps** on Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:21 pm

unless he is sending them invites then i cannot see how anyone has any control over who joins their games

by **ljex** on Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:26 pm

hmsps wrote:unless he is sending them invites then i cannot see how anyone has any control over who joins their games

he will be held accountable because he is creating games that are ? magnets, if i remember correctly he has already been warned about this in the past

by **IcePack** on Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:57 pm

ljex wrote:
hmsps wrote:unless he is sending them invites then i cannot see how anyone has any control over who joins their games

he will be held accountable because he is creating games that are ? magnets, if i remember correctly he has already been warned about this in the past

viewtopic.php?f=239&t=117129&hilit=dukefleed

by **hmsps** on Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:03 pm

well thats just complete bullshit, if i want to set up games on any map i will thats what i pay my money for

by **MNDuke** on Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:46 pm

hmsps wrote:well thats just complete bullshit, if i want to set up games on any map i will thats what i pay my money for

Agreed. It should be up to CC to set up parameters to disallow this. Such as only allowing people with only so much experience to be able to play each other. Why this happened yet is beyond me....and isn't it rather hypocritical for someone like ijex to be calling for someone to be held accountable for something he is just as guilty of? =D>

by **anonymus** on Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:53 pm

ljex wrote:
hmsps wrote:unless he is sending them invites then i cannot see how anyone has any control over who joins their games

he will be held accountable because he is creating games that are ? magnets, if i remember correctly he has already been warned about this in the past

its just plain wrong..

/

by **shocked439** on Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:01 pm

hmsps wrote:well thats just complete bullshit, if i want to set up games on any map i will thats what i pay my money for

Seriously the issue is not you and what games you're creating. Go pull up dukefleeds game list and tell me there isn't something wrong when there are that many question marks in his active games.

I would think a player would question why they only play against question marks. I also wonder how he only wins 50% of these games when 65% of his opponents deadbeat. But that's off topic

by **anonymus** on Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:47 pm

Game 8359549
ok so how about we fill thisone.. ( i ahte freestyle but might be fun)
/ :?:

by **ljex** on Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:53 pm

anonymus wrote:
ljex wrote:
hmsps wrote:unless he is sending them invites then i cannot see how anyone has any control over who joins their games

he will be held accountable because he is creating games that are ? magnets, if i remember correctly he has already been warned about this in the past

its just plain wrong..

/

only problem with your logic is the games i am playing are not against the rules, his are. If my games were said to be against the rules i would stop, he has already been warned and hasn't stopped.

by **shocked439** on Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:23 pm

ljex wrote:
anonymus wrote:
ljex wrote:
hmsps wrote:unless he is sending them invites then i cannot see how anyone has any control over who joins their games

he will be held accountable because he is creating games that are ? magnets, if i remember correctly he has already been warned about this in the past

its just plain wrong..

/

only problem with your logic is the games i am playing are not against the rules, his are. If my games were said to be against the rules i would stop, he has already been warned and hasn't stopped.

I agree, yours are 8 players, team, and difficult maps, all things preventing new players from joining. LJEX also plays with lower recruits, probably so if he loses it doesn't hurt as much and if he wins he wins a bit more, but he's actually helping the lower ranked players. If you play with good players you are going to be a better player.

by **dukefleed** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:42 am

Wow, I didn't know I was drawing that much attention....

So I'm being accused of "farming" you call it. This is ridiculous... how can I control who join the game I create.

I like to play certain type of game so I create them, isn't is what we are supposed to do?

A few month ago, a guy send me a message to tell me that he would reset my rank and points if I keep creating games with identical parameters. After a few message where I tried to explain that his points were senseless, I agree to modify the game I created once in a while. This solution appear to satisfy him, even if how you set the game has nothing to do with how rookie are the players who join.

Anyway, I agree to play games that I did not like once in a while to show good intention. Now I see that it did't work.
If you want a solution to this farming problem, don't blame the ones that create games, they don't have control on this.

However, why don't you set a new parameter when you create a game. This new parameter would set the maximum number of rookie in this game, with a maximum value of N-1 or N-2. For example, I create a game for 5 where I set this new value to N-2. For the 4 other players, there would be a maximum of 2 rookie players that could get in the game. I could have set the to N-3 to have only one rookie player but N and N-1 are not available.

That's just an idea, I'm sure other solution could be put in place.

Thanks for IcePack that put a link to this forum in one of my game.

All this being said, I play this free game for fun. There is nothing more than that. I set games according to how I want to play them, not according to who will join.

I don't care about the ranks and points, if an admin is seeing this. Please reset my points to 0 and my rank to whatever you want, I don't care. I just like to play risk online... That's all there is to it. Reset my numbers every month and let me play games that I like.

Thank you

Christian Barrette
DukeFleed

by **hmsps** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:25 am

Well said, this is by no means any worse than whether you set games up fairly knowing that low rankers will join on difficult maps or joining low rankers games. either let everyone just play the games or have more structure to the rules/games being set up. It does seem on here that certain people can get away with a lot more than others.

by **dukefleed** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:36 pm

I just learned about the "6 players so the noobs don't see the game" rules...

Assuming that it's true :

Are you kidding me? Why no one told me before instead assuming that I was cheating?

You guys are so prompt to find cheaters that you even didn't think that it was possible to have honest players who just did not know...

From now on, I'll put 6 players in my game... so you guys can sleep at night

by **TheForgivenOne** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:58 pm

hmsps wrote:unless he is sending them invites then i cannot see how anyone has any control over who joins their games

Then why was Aalameida warned for this exact same thing?

viewtopic.php?t=104379

How is it not farming if you create the same batch of games OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER and all you get is New Recruits?

And to quote king achilles

Aalmeida17 has been warned not to create these kind of games (Manual Freestyle with Montreal and Portugal) for the meantime and encouraged to play and/or create games with different settings from those mentioned above.

by **shocked439** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:17 pm

after joining a game with dukefleed and discussing the report in game chat it looks like the source of the problem was identified. Duke fleed really didn't know that new recruits were limited as described in the scores ranks and medals

New Recruits must earn a promotion to join Assassin games, Terminator games, team games, large games (6 or more players) and games on complex maps (they will be hidden from Join A Game and Game Finder listings). These restrictions do not apply to private games.

He has begun making the games with 6 players to prevent his games from having all new recruits.

by **IcePack** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:26 pm

dukefleed wrote:Wow, I didn't know I was drawing that much attention....

So I'm being accused of "farming" you call it. This is ridiculous... how can I control who join the game I create.

I like to play certain type of game so I create them, isn't is what we are supposed to do?

A few month ago, a guy send me a message to tell me that he would reset my rank and points if I keep creating games with identical parameters. After a few message where I tried to explain that his points were senseless, I agree to modify the game I created once in a while. This solution appear to satisfy him, even if how you set the game has nothing to do with how rookie are the players who join.

Anyway, I agree to play games that I did not like once in a while to show good intention. Now I see that it did't work.
If you want a solution to this farming problem, don't blame the ones that create games, they don't have control on this.

However, why don't you set a new parameter when you create a game. This new parameter would set the maximum number of rookie in this game, with a maximum value of N-1 or N-2. For example, I create a game for 5 where I set this new value to N-2. For the 4 other players, there would be a maximum of 2 rookie players that could get in the game. I could have set the to N-3 to have only one rookie player but N and N-1 are not available.

That's just an idea, I'm sure other solution could be put in place.

Thanks for IcePack that put a link to this forum in one of my game.

All this being said, I play this free game for fun. There is nothing more than that. I set games according to how I want to play them, not according to who will join.

I don't care about the ranks and points, if an admin is seeing this. Please reset my points to 0 and my rank to whatever you want, I don't care. I just like to play risk online... That's all there is to it. Reset my numbers every month and let me play games that I like.

Thank you

Christian Barrette
DukeFleed

No problem mate, I don't like a witch hunt without giving the guy a chance to defend himself.

Cheers, and good luck. 8-)

IcePack

by **hmsps** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:00 pm

mods be constructive dont give your personal opions as really it adds nothing

by **shocked439** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:25 pm

hmsps wrote:mods be constructive dont give your personal opions as really it adds nothing

This whole forum is derived from our personal opinions why would they be excluded from having one? If in my opinion something fishy with duke hadn't been going on this thread wouldn't exist.

by **ljex** on Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:57 pm

hmsps wrote:mods be constructive dont give your personal opions as really it adds nothing

I find this post comical...

Also dukefleed seems to have learned to stop "farming" by making the games 6 players which makes me think he shouldnt get a ban as long as long as he maintains creating 6 player games. Its up to the multi hunters now, but either way you should know that continually creating games that attract ?'s is farming by CC rules...

by **king achilles** on Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:01 am

ljex wrote:...Also dukefleed seems to have learned to stop "farming" by making the games 6 players which makes me think he shouldnt get a ban as long as long as he maintains creating 6 player games. Its up to the multi hunters now, but either way you should know that continually creating games that attract ?'s is farming by CC rules...

If this is now what he is doing, then we can move forward from this already. Dukefleed, since you now know that new recruits are attracted to your settings, do limit or lessen your 5-player games so they won't join it. Don't risk something like this again.