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[Fircoal]

Else I still have mixed feelings about Aage that keeps defending himself from voting Drew day 2 apparently...

Drew thinks it was scummy, I try to point out that he was the one who was scummy. Don't see anything odd about that. Except the fact that Drew apparently believes that randomly lynching people is great.

Where do you get this fromzel?

[aage]

Here:

I'm sure we have some good candidates from the earlier bandwagon on me still around.

Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton, jeraado, aage

[aage]

And here:

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

[Fircoal]

Here:

I'm sure we have some good candidates from the earlier bandwagon on me still around.

Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton, jeraado, aage

Um, that sounds like he thinks those people are better candiates for lynch not that he wants to pick someone at random.

[Fircoal]

And here:

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

Quoting from Day 1, surely this doesn't take things out of context.

[DrewDude]

Here:

I'm sure we have some good candidates from the earlier bandwagon on me still around.

Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton, jeraado, aage

Um, that sounds like he thinks those people are better candiates for lynch not that he wants to pick someone at random.

Those are the candidates that are worth pursuing than random lynching. Aage is blowing smoke in thinking I would want to pick one of them out of a hat and random lynch them for just using their democratic right to vote for me.

[aage]

And here:

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch. Either way is acceptable since we're just beating around the bush anyways trying to make sense of other peoples intentions. Let's try to put the pieces to the puzzle together when we actually have pieces to work with tomorrow instead of rambling about who is what and what they may be. Now I'm not against saying you can't have your ideas or opinions on other people and their intentions now, but in my opinion we should either agree on someone or just flat out no lynch. What I can tell so far is no lynch is probably going to be the answer seeing as we all are just pointing fingers at each other already with not a lot of substance to back things up.

I Unvote

Quoting from Day 1, surely this doesn't take things out of context.

Well, since the case against Drew was on day 1, it indeed doesn't take things out of context.

[safariguy5]

True, but I think we've pretty well confirmed Drew is a townie. We can't say the same for the other people under suspicion. And seriously, enough with the submarining, we can't run a game if multiple people don't post.

[aage]

True, but I think we've pretty well confirmed Drew is a townie. We can't say the same for the other people under suspicion. And seriously, enough with the submarining, we can't run a game if multiple people don't post.

I'm not saying he's scum, I'm saying he should start making sense. I tried to do that by justifying my scary bandwagon vote on day 1.

[spiesr]

I'm not saying he's scum, I'm saying he should start making sense. I tried to do that by justifying my scary bandwagon vote on day 1.

Since we have pretty much accepted that he is town, why would you need to justify that vote now? Unless you are scum and are trying to cover that up or something...

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Vote count

xuereb, 3 orders: ga7 spiesr safariguy5
Fircoal, 1 order: Victor Sullivan

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

such a slow day, I'm putting in a deadline for one week from now, anyone not posting do so soon, mass prods going out tomorrow.

[aage]

I'm not saying he's scum, I'm saying he should start making sense. I tried to do that by justifying my scary bandwagon vote on day 1.

Since we have pretty much accepted that he is town, why would you need to justify that vote now? Unless you are scum and are trying to cover that up or something...

Because Drew was adressing it.

Geez.
Every time you guys mention something I respond, then you guys argue the response is scummy and I respond, then you again argue the response is scummy and I respond again, and then you say "oh well then why did you bring it up?" I mean, what the hell.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm not saying he's scum, I'm saying he should start making sense. I tried to do that by justifying my scary bandwagon vote on day 1.

Since we have pretty much accepted that he is town, why would you need to justify that vote now? Unless you are scum and are trying to cover that up or something...

Because Drew was adressing it.

Geez.
Every time you guys mention something I respond, then you guys argue the response is scummy and I respond, then you again argue the response is scummy and I respond again, and then you say "oh well then why did you bring it up?" I mean, what the hell.

lol. I actually agree with this.

I have a still have a hunch on safari but its nothing I can really put into words. I would like to go back and try to piece together a case on him, but I feel that doing so wouldn't make for a strong case and would probably be pretty forced. I'll just try to ignore it until he registers on my scumdar again.

[VioIet]

I really don't have anything new to add, and will need to re-read the thread when I have a little more time. I'm going to keep going off of the lead i had Day 1 and Day 2.

Vote Mr. Squirrel

[ga7]

Hmm ok Aage it's true Drew only focused on his wagon and you had to rehash that again, but the part Drew doesn't focus on is that you didn't vote Flores and were including her in your defense argument the previous day. Hell, you even thought I had a good case at first but then did nothing about it. That's the more fishy part to me.

As for your case, it is solid. Once DrewDude comes back and gives a good reason not to lynch him it defenitely deserves some attention.

unvote
Naturally there's also scum politicians but since we already killed the roleblocker who was not scum it's probably best to believe him.

If I were to vote for anyone I wanted to see lynched it'd be for VioIet because of what I mentioned in that last post, and the fact that she didn't repond to it.
I don't think Drewdude is scum because the only secret vote role I ever played was town.
I don't think Flores is scum because however much ga7 may not like her, I mostly agree with what she says. And

perhaps aage was following my lead because he is my bff, who knows

that too ofc but it has nothing to do with the game. She pursued Herk during day 1, I did so too. I don't think it was scummy to put Herk at L-1 because someone has to but then Drew hammers him practically saying 'I dont agree with this lynch but I'm hammering because I wantz speed'. Reread here:

"Improve your defense right now", by possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned? Doesn't mix very well once you think about it. On the other hand, I'd rather not waste any more time than needed so I will go along with herk.


Vote theherkman

Yes, I added the colours, they're not really in the quote <_<

This is why I pursued Drewdude. Now that he very convincingly claims the secret vote I'm willing to believe him. So the two "bandwagons" out there are not interesting to me.

So what's fishy to me is that you chose to focus on the thing that was common between you and Flores, ie wagonning Drew, but ignored anything else including the lousy defense of Flores. So contrary to what you first said, you didn't really give that case attention after the Drew wagon died. That post was your last post before end of the day, 5 days later btw.
I still want an answer from xeureb as it might clear out something, but I feel suspicion on you is not unwarranted at this point.

Btw Violet, can you point to me at what moment you shared that lead on Squirrel with us? Because I certainly don't recall seeing any case, so I assume it's a hunch, in case which you do have something new to add by explaining if that hunch comes out of thin air or you actually have something to back it...

[Mr. Squirrel]

btw Violet, can you point to me at what moment you shared that lead on Squirrel with us? Because I certainly don't recall seeing any case, so I assume it's a hunch, in case which you do have something new to add by explaining if that hunch comes out of thin air or you actually have something to back it...

Well her post said she was going to reread and post more. I will wait until then to respond. I remember her saying something earlier about me, but I can't remember what exactly.

[aage]

Hmm ok Aage it's true Drew only focused on his wagon and you had to rehash that again, but the part Drew doesn't focus on is that you didn't vote Flores and were including her in your defense argument the previous day. Hell, you even thought I had a good case at first but then did nothing about it. That's the more fishy part to me.

As for your case, it is solid. Once DrewDude comes back and gives a good reason not to lynch him it defenitely deserves some attention.

unvote
Naturally there's also scum politicians but since we already killed the roleblocker who was not scum it's probably best to believe him.

If I were to vote for anyone I wanted to see lynched it'd be for VioIet because of what I mentioned in that last post, and the fact that she didn't repond to it.
I don't think Drewdude is scum because the only secret vote role I ever played was town.
I don't think Flores is scum because however much ga7 may not like her, I mostly agree with what she says. And

perhaps aage was following my lead because he is my bff, who knows

that too ofc but it has nothing to do with the game. She pursued Herk during day 1, I did so too. I don't think it was scummy to put Herk at L-1 because someone has to but then Drew hammers him practically saying 'I dont agree with this lynch but I'm hammering because I wantz speed'. Reread here:

"Improve your defense right now", by possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned? Doesn't mix very well once you think about it. On the other hand, I'd rather not waste any more time than needed so I will go along with herk.


Vote theherkman

Yes, I added the colours, they're not really in the quote <_<

This is why I pursued Drewdude. Now that he very convincingly claims the secret vote I'm willing to believe him. So the two "bandwagons" out there are not interesting to me.

So what's fishy to me is that you chose to focus on the thing that was common between you and Flores, ie wagonning Drew, but ignored anything else including the lousy defense of Flores. So contrary to what you first said, you didn't really give that case attention after the Drew wagon died. That post was your last post before end of the day, 5 days later btw.

Don't you think the amount of posts and the absence of a vote are related?
I think you're better off accusing me of scumarining, which I will gladly submit to because I had an exam on the 5th.

[xuereb]

You make some good points, and you led us in the right direction yesterday, but I will withhold my opinions for now. I'll wait to see how the others respond and what is going on. We were too focused day 2 in my opinion. We focused solely on flores and didn't chase any other leads and now we have very little.

Gee, you make lynching a scum sound like a bad thing It's true there's not much but the voting record can already be helpful at this point.

Ok enough pressure I am quiet because this is my third game ever and Im not really sure which kind half lucid synapse's are considered town
I voted violet because it was a vote i could make with out killing anyone and mostly cause i was prodded it was rash and carried absolutely no weight

And you thought you could catch scum like that? Or you had no intention to catch scum but rather to not get yourself under suspicion? I understand you're a new player but do you think you can reach your win condition playing like this?

Else I still have mixed feelings about Aage that keeps defending himself from voting Drew day 2 apparently...

i am not certain on how i wished to reach my win condition i thought if i just used my character and helped as town that i could get out alive with the rest of town lynching me because that i am inexperienced is understandable but you would be much better off i you lynched someone else that wasn't town
but i can assure you that i am indeed town aligned

[Fircoal]

I'm not saying he's scum, I'm saying he should start making sense. I tried to do that by justifying my scary bandwagon vote on day 1.

Since we have pretty much accepted that he is town, why would you need to justify that vote now? Unless you are scum and are trying to cover that up or something...

Because Drew was adressing it.

Geez.
Every time you guys mention something I respond, then you guys argue the response is scummy and I respond, then you again argue the response is scummy and I respond again, and then you say "oh well then why did you bring it up?" I mean, what the hell.

Maybe it's cause the first thing you said was scummy and nonsensical so any attempt to justify it is too?

[spiesr]

i am not certain on how i wished to reach my win condition i thought if i just used my character and helped as town that i could get out alive with the rest of town lynching me because that i am inexperienced is understandable but you would be much better off i you lynched someone else that wasn't town
but i can assure you that i am indeed town aligned

If your win condition is actually town, then you are usually expected to contribute towards the towns victory. If everyone on the town made their own survival their only priority then no one would take the risk of speaking out and actually hunting scum. Normally, the in order to win as town, you don't have to survive, the scum just have to be eliminated.
A win condition of "survive to the end" does exist, but it is not exactly town aligned.

[xuereb]

i am not certain on how i wished to reach my win condition i thought if i just used my character and helped as town that i could get out alive with the rest of town lynching me because that i am inexperienced is understandable but you would be much better off i you lynched someone else that wasn't town
but i can assure you that i am indeed town aligned

If your win condition is actually town, then you are usually expected to contribute towards the towns victory. If everyone on the town made their own survival their only priority then no one would take the risk of speaking out and actually hunting scum. Normally, the in order to win as town, you don't have to survive, the scum just have to be eliminated.
A win condition of "survive to the end" does exist, but it is not exactly town aligned.

ok but by killing me a townie you are putting yourself and the rest of the town at a lower chance at reaching their win condition

[Haggis_McMutton]

Hmm, re-read this.

Victor sticks out.

He has 21 posts out of those FOUR are actually serious and contributing something. Seriously check it out for yourself.

These 4 are:

Aspiring cook (roleblocker)

EBWOP.

Good enough for you?

That doesn't convince me your town-aligned, though, herk. Aren't roleblockers statistically mafia-aligned? unvote vote theherkman. Maybe my vote will get recorded right this time

This one seriously grabbed my attention. Roleblockers are usually scum? Really?

This is why you all should have voted Mr. Squirrel. I know for a fact he is mafia because of my role PM... Should have listened...

...says theherkman from beyond the grave even though HE'S F*CKING DEAD AND IT'S COMPLETELY IMPROBABLE THAT HE'D BE ABLE TO SPEAK FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!!!!!!!!! Your flesh tasted like chicken, the kind of person you are, dear. It's rather fortunate that you died, I was just preparing the divorce papers. They taste better than your cooking, at least. Sorry, I'm just simply going on a rant and talking to a DEAD PERSON. Anyways, pip pip cheerio and vote DrewDude.

-Sully

P.S. maim what's left of theherkman

Second on the Drew waggon, right behind Flores. As Chu pointed out getting in on a wagon early is a good way to avoid suspicion.

I'm back and it seems people are once again facing my direction as a nice candidate to lynch. Take a good look at those who've been band-wagoning herk and I. I'd bet you'd find the scum votes within them if you looked hard enough. Being inconsistent even when I said I loved being scummy? Sounds like a waste of oxygen to have such a conversation. Instead of looking at the most obvious people you should take a look at who's using the obvious people as a shield. Now did I throw Herk under the bus? Yes. Would my vote have changed much if I didn't vote for him? Probably not. Like I said i'm not a fan of wasting time so if you wish to know anymore about me before a lynch occurs feel free to ask. You should investigate more before you decide to put the noose around my neck.

For my vote I'll go for the person that voted me first for this day.

Vote FloresDelMal

This is not a claim...

This was after about 3 pages of talking about Drew's double voter thing ...

We have two choices I can see. Decide to lynch Flores or pick up a no lynch. No one else is scummy enough in my eyes and nor do I think a case could really be developed in time. Besides I think it's pretty clear, at least to me that Flores is scummeh!

Vote: Flores

Sorry for the lull in my commenting, but Ive read up and agree with Fircoal: unvote, vote flores

this was putting Flores at L-1. This might seem to prove his innocence but imo:
0. There may well me other anti-town factions(especially if we give any weight to the last scene)
1. It was pretty clear Flores would get lynched. At this point it was her or a no lynch, and how many no lynches do we usually have around here?
2. After being scummates with Victor in Briasburg I can totally see him pulling this move.(we switched our roles telling the other scums that he's the godfather instead of me, just in case we had an usurper or something, also in one of his first Pm's he was already suggesting we sacrifice someone later on to improve our standing with town, ah, good times )

Victor seems the best bet to me: vote Victor

[Victor Sullivan]

Those were good times, eh, Haggis? Ah... Anyways, back to the business at hand. I disagree with your points, but arguing against them would just be pointless, as these arguments would be based on pure opinion and little fact. Still investigating who to suspect for a lynch.

[Fircoal]

Those were good times, eh, Haggis? Ah... Anyways, back to the business at hand. I disagree with your points, but arguing against them would just be pointless, as these arguments would be based on pure opinion and little fact. Still investigating who to suspect for a lynch.

That sounds like something a lazy scum would say. You should argue anyway. IT's YOUR life at risk.

[Victor Sullivan]

Those were good times, eh, Haggis? Ah... Anyways, back to the business at hand. I disagree with your points, but arguing against them would just be pointless, as these arguments would be based on pure opinion and little fact. Still investigating who to suspect for a lynch.

That sounds like something a lazy scum would say. You should argue anyway. IT's YOUR life at risk.

True, but false.