EMPIRE vs TSM (Pre-Game)

[Lubawski]

yes merry christmas all...good luck in our little contest...may the dice and drops and first turns and baby sitting be fair

lol. I'm sure it will be. TSM is a top notch clan and we are...well, at least half of it will be fair.

And we are the underdog. We're here to prove we are what we think we are (Insert video clip of Dennis Green after the challenge ends).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc

[jalen45]

....................and we let em off the hook!!!!

good luck guys (and gals)!

we're surely have a fun time playing this challenge.

[Foxglove]

I think I've gotta go TSM on this one! But good luck and merry wishes and fantastic hugs and super new-year's luck and all of that to everyone involved!

xoxo,
Foxyawesomesocks

[Eyestone]

first of all, good luck Empire, i´m happy we managed to find a compromise for the setup. i´m looking forward to this challenge , will be very interesting, Empire is a very good clan, lot of respect for them.

now about all the discussions about the setup.

Actually I was serious. Most "modern" challenges are weighted more on trips and quads as most people have found out it's a better way to proove the quality of team play. Dubs are far more relying on luck when it comes to drop and first turn advantage (dice goes without saying). I don't know much about your pre-setup discussion with the Monkis, but it seems like I am on your side, Dick

haha, good joke .... wait ... are you really serious?

ok, let´s see the some facts:

our last clan war was against Thota, 80 games, 32 doubles, 24 triples , 24 quads
that´s 40% doubles, 30% triples, 30% quads
i can´t remember anybody said that would be a lot of doubles.
now we have 22/19/19, that´s 36,7% doubles

so 40% is ok, but 36,7% is too much?

oh, and doubles are about luck? have you looked at the setup of the "modern clan wars"? many of them include 1v1 games. Do 1v1 games show better team play ability of a clan? Is 1v1 less about luck than doubles?

One more question: have you ever played quads on small standard maps? THAT is more about luck imo than doubles on small maps.
And if you talk about big maps: i think they are less about luck than small maps. Doodle quad is lottery, World 2.1 double gives an advantage to the team which goes first, but it´s not an autowin. You don´t lose just to the start advantage on such a map in a double.
But in a quad on small maps, first round kills are possible with lucky dice.

Maybe some people didn´t notice that it was TSM who tried to ban the luck options from clan war first.
In the beginning, we tried to do to much here and banned too small maps from clan wars, but we got a lot of shit for that, and i guess it should be possible indeed to play all maps.
It was me who invented the 12 hour fog rule to give same chances to both teams in fog games, so it´s less about the going first and having first look advantage. Don´t tell us that we try to pick options which are based on luck primary. That´s simply ridiculous, and i think nobody of Empire believes that we try to beat them with luck based games.

And, seriously, where have you been last winter if you believe 40% doubles is too much and all about luck? Oh, and should we add 1v1 games to prove our teamplay ability?

You can make your own thread about your opinion about clan war settings, luck options etc, but don´t use this thread for it please. Empire and TSM agreed to these rules, it´s not against any rules, so we will do it with these rules, no matter if other people believe we asked for these rules to make best use of our luck. But why should we ban "manual" then?


now, merry x-mas to everybody, and a great clan war in january.

Why so upset? I did only say "whoah that's alot of dubs" and later explained my opinions behind the remark as Lubawski thought I was trolling.

I was talking about "modern" challenges. Your last challenge was set up in October 2009 (which is 1 year and 3 months ago for those who suck at math). Since then the clans that actually has been playing challenges ( ) has started to put more weight into larger team games. Perfect example: Clan League 2 was played by the format of 4 dubs, 2 trips and 2 quads. This year it was changed after interest from the clans into 2 dubs, 3 trips and 4 quads.

Of course there are large maps you can setup which are less affected by first turn advantage for dubs and vice versa for quads on small maps that are more affected by drop and first turn - but let's face it: Neither of you will use such a strategy.

My point was merely that no other recent clan challenges played by that are viewed as top clans has been played with more dubs than trips and quads. You guys are playing it the old school way, that's all.

Have fun!

PS: Cudos to the 'Fog of War'-rule. I like that a lot.

[Lubawski]

I don't know what trolling is, but I'm sure I do it a lot too. Please feel free to enter here and troll often. Sounds like fun. Shrek was a pretty good movie, and he was a troll, so it can't be all bad.

I think Seul just gets excited when he's around so many attractive non-Monkis. No worries. And hey, who can blame him?

[Seulessliathan]

i just already got a lot of shit because of these 22 doubles, from different sides. So i´m tired off that discussion. Andi´m not sure if 36,7% doubles is really old school. First clan season was 100% doubles, maybe that was old school.
I still don´t think that dubs are more based on luck than quad, but that will depend on map and all the other settings.

Btw, i´m not upset, i guess frustrated is the better word here. It seems like i have lost my partner because of this conversation, which is very sad news for TSM. I´m not sure if other monkis prefer not to talk about this, but everybody can see the member list, so it´s no secret any more. I will play in this challenge anyway if monkis need me and ask me to do so, otherwise i will step back and just watch.
If you read this Scott: This challenge will be only have fun without you.

[clapper011]

i just already got a lot of shit because of these 22 doubles, from different sides. So i´m tired off that discussion. Andi´m not sure if 36,7% doubles is really old school. First clan season was 100% doubles, maybe that was old school.
I still don´t think that dubs are more based on luck than quad, but that will depend on map and all the other settings.

Btw, i´m not upset, i guess frustrated is the better word here. It seems like i have lost my partner because of this conversation, which is very sad news for TSM. I´m not sure if other monkis prefer not to talk about this, but everybody can see the member list, so it´s no secret any more. I will play in this challenge anyway if monkis need me and ask me to do so, otherwise i will step back and just watch.
If you read this Scott: This challenge will be only have fun without you.

unfortunately we have lost 2 valuable members to TSM...not all because of this clan war..but it definitely contributed to their leaving. They will be greatly missed..but we have to move forward so good luck to both clans in January.

[jj3044]

i just already got a lot of shit because of these 22 doubles, from different sides. So i´m tired off that discussion. Andi´m not sure if 36,7% doubles is really old school. First clan season was 100% doubles, maybe that was old school.
I still don´t think that dubs are more based on luck than quad, but that will depend on map and all the other settings.

Btw, i´m not upset, i guess frustrated is the better word here. It seems like i have lost my partner because of this conversation, which is very sad news for TSM. I´m not sure if other monkis prefer not to talk about this, but everybody can see the member list, so it´s no secret any more. I will play in this challenge anyway if monkis need me and ask me to do so, otherwise i will step back and just watch.
If you read this Scott: This challenge will be only have fun without you.

unfortunately we have lost 2 valuable members to TSM...not all because of this clan war..but it definitely contributed to their leaving. They will be greatly missed..but we have to move forward so good luck to both clans in January.

I find it hard to believe members would leave TSM regarding this conversation... which is amounting to a few people expressing their opinion, been an honest and respectful conversation thus far... This time of year there always seems to be a mass exodus because of other (personal) reasons... so I don't think it is appropriate blaming this (proposed) challenge for a few players leaving. Unless us at EMPIRE smell or something... than I can understand it (but hey, we all shower, I swear!!

[clapper011]

i just already got a lot of shit because of these 22 doubles, from different sides. So i´m tired off that discussion. Andi´m not sure if 36,7% doubles is really old school. First clan season was 100% doubles, maybe that was old school.
I still don´t think that dubs are more based on luck than quad, but that will depend on map and all the other settings.

Btw, i´m not upset, i guess frustrated is the better word here. It seems like i have lost my partner because of this conversation, which is very sad news for TSM. I´m not sure if other monkis prefer not to talk about this, but everybody can see the member list, so it´s no secret any more. I will play in this challenge anyway if monkis need me and ask me to do so, otherwise i will step back and just watch.
If you read this Scott: This challenge will be only have fun without you.

unfortunately we have lost 2 valuable members to TSM...not all because of this clan war..but it definitely contributed to their leaving. They will be greatly missed..but we have to move forward so good luck to both clans in January.

I find it hard to believe members would leave TSM regarding this conversation... which is amounting to a few people expressing their opinion, been an honest and respectful conversation thus far... This time of year there always seems to be a mass exodus because of other (personal) reasons... so I don't think it is appropriate blaming this (proposed) challenge for a few players leaving. Unless us at EMPIRE smell or something... than I can understand it (but hey, we all shower, I swear!!

[kratos644]

i just already got a lot of shit because of these 22 doubles, from different sides. So i´m tired off that discussion. Andi´m not sure if 36,7% doubles is really old school. First clan season was 100% doubles, maybe that was old school.
I still don´t think that dubs are more based on luck than quad, but that will depend on map and all the other settings.

Btw, i´m not upset, i guess frustrated is the better word here. It seems like i have lost my partner because of this conversation, which is very sad news for TSM. I´m not sure if other monkis prefer not to talk about this, but everybody can see the member list, so it´s no secret any more. I will play in this challenge anyway if monkis need me and ask me to do so, otherwise i will step back and just watch.
If you read this Scott: This challenge will be only have fun without you.

unfortunately we have lost 2 valuable members to TSM...not all because of this clan war..but it definitely contributed to their leaving. They will be greatly missed..but we have to move forward so good luck to both clans in January.

I find it hard to believe members would leave TSM regarding this conversation... which is amounting to a few people expressing their opinion, been an honest and respectful conversation thus far... This time of year there always seems to be a mass exodus because of other (personal) reasons... so I don't think it is appropriate blaming this (proposed) challenge for a few players leaving. Unless us at EMPIRE smell or something... than I can understand it (but hey, we all shower, I swear!!

You can only see the public threads so...

[Lubawski]

Wow. Sorry to hear you lost a couple members. Though this time of year does cause people to make fruitless resolutions like cutting back on CC (which we should all know is not possible), I don't think we (at EMPIRE) can think we understand what has happened inside the Monkis to cause their leaving. I hope we didn't have anything to do with it. I don't see how we could have, but if we did, please send me a PM so I can understand what happened and I'll try to correct the situation.

Perhaps I can tease Scott a little and make him want to come back for vengeance (though that would be foolish on my part...so never mind).

[jj3044]

i just already got a lot of shit because of these 22 doubles, from different sides. So i´m tired off that discussion. Andi´m not sure if 36,7% doubles is really old school. First clan season was 100% doubles, maybe that was old school.
I still don´t think that dubs are more based on luck than quad, but that will depend on map and all the other settings.

Btw, i´m not upset, i guess frustrated is the better word here. It seems like i have lost my partner because of this conversation, which is very sad news for TSM. I´m not sure if other monkis prefer not to talk about this, but everybody can see the member list, so it´s no secret any more. I will play in this challenge anyway if monkis need me and ask me to do so, otherwise i will step back and just watch.
If you read this Scott: This challenge will be only have fun without you.

unfortunately we have lost 2 valuable members to TSM...not all because of this clan war..but it definitely contributed to their leaving. They will be greatly missed..but we have to move forward so good luck to both clans in January.

I find it hard to believe members would leave TSM regarding this conversation... which is amounting to a few people expressing their opinion, been an honest and respectful conversation thus far... This time of year there always seems to be a mass exodus because of other (personal) reasons... so I don't think it is appropriate blaming this (proposed) challenge for a few players leaving. Unless us at EMPIRE smell or something... than I can understand it (but hey, we all shower, I swear!!

Yes, that is the point I was referring to. I don't understand why this challenge would contribute to players leaving TSM. Did they join TSM under the assumption that you would be a social clan only, not playing in clan challenges? Is the idea of a clan challenge offensive for some reason? I'm just confused is all, there isn't any bad blood between TSM and EMPIRE, we have never had an issue, and only have had a healthy respect for each other.

[Lubawski]

If they want to discuss it, they will. It's really not our place to ask for a public explanation. Disregard JJ's comments, and if you want to share, let me know via PM and I can explain it to EMPIRE confidentially. We certainly don't need an explanation though. It's really none of our business.

[jj3044]

If they want to discuss it, they will. It's really not our place to ask for a public explanation. Disregard JJ's comments, and if you want to share, let me know via PM and I can explain it to EMPIRE confidentially. We certainly don't need an explanation though. It's really none of our business.

Mike, go shower.

He's right, we don't need an explanation. I just don't like being confused!

I hope everyone had a great Christmas!

[lord voldemort]

scott matee...i was looking forward to finally confronting you in a team game environment

[lord voldemort]

If they want to discuss it, they will. It's really not our place to ask for a public explanation. Disregard JJ's comments, and if you want to share, let me know via PM and I can explain it to EMPIRE confidentially. We certainly don't need an explanation though. It's really none of our business.

Mike, go shower.

He's right, we don't need an explanation. I just don't like being confused!

I hope everyone had a great Christmas!

i blame this whole situation on you cancelling your gig...i was flying in and everything man

[InsomniaRed]

I'm betting my tofu bucks on EMPIRE for this one. 36-24 EMPIRE.

Good luck to both clans!

[Lubawski]

If they want to discuss it, they will. It's really not our place to ask for a public explanation. Disregard JJ's comments, and if you want to share, let me know via PM and I can explain it to EMPIRE confidentially. We certainly don't need an explanation though. It's really none of our business.

Mike, go shower.

He's right, we don't need an explanation. I just don't like being confused!

I hope everyone had a great Christmas!

i blame this whole situation on you cancelling your gig...i was flying in and everything man

First of all, everyone should go see JJ's show. Bad Larry is awesome. It is rescheduled for Jan. 8th. I'm sure you can reschedule the flight from Aussie up here considering the blizzard we are having and all.

[larsin]

Whoah, that's a lot of dubs. Kind of a retro setup if you ask me...

lol. Dick.

Edit: After seeing the set up for some other recent challenges, it strikes me that you might be serious, not just giving me a hard time because the amount of doubles was a point of contention in getting this set up.

Actually I was serious. Most "modern" challenges are weighted more on trips and quads as most people have found out it's a better way to proove the quality of team play. Dubs are far more relying on luck when it comes to drop and first turn advantage (dice goes without saying). I don't know much about your pre-setup discussion with the Monkis, but it seems like I am on your side, Dick

Its how you play the dubs Eyestone, i can understand you hate dubs with your poor luck/play? lol

[Eyestone]

Whoah, that's a lot of dubs. Kind of a retro setup if you ask me...

lol. Dick.

Edit: After seeing the set up for some other recent challenges, it strikes me that you might be serious, not just giving me a hard time because the amount of doubles was a point of contention in getting this set up.

Actually I was serious. Most "modern" challenges are weighted more on trips and quads as most people have found out it's a better way to proove the quality of team play. Dubs are far more relying on luck when it comes to drop and first turn advantage (dice goes without saying). I don't know much about your pre-setup discussion with the Monkis, but it seems like I am on your side, Dick

Its how you play the dubs Eyestone, i can understand you hate dubs with your poor luck/play? lol

Haha, I should've known you would come up with this. Even with my crap record against you (all dubs), my highest win-rate is still in dubs and quads - trips are slightly behind. Actually I like to play dubs for fun as they are quicker, but they are also the most frustrating games when you don't have the flow as you don't have much time to get back into the game before it's all over.

[TheMissionary]

Good luck all.

Regards to the monki's on the losses. It shouldn't effect much.

[Scott-Land]

Good luck all.

Regards to the monki's on the losses. It shouldn't effect much.

You underestimate Lx's ability to play complex maps, Mission-- however I do agree about the other ex-monki. Perhaps you blame either him or myself for not getting in but I never vote anyone in or out of the clan. I've always left it to the others.

Just wanted to clarify the gossip-- it wasn't any one thing nor was it Empire's challenge. I've been strapped for time for awhile now and thought it would be a good time to exit. Prolly not the best way to handle things but sometimes it's the only way to stop playing this addicting game is to sever ties. I have no ill will towards any Monki. They are one of the best if not the best on the site-- I have had a great time being part of it all. I wish em well in the challenge and hope they kick some Empire ass!

[lord voldemort]

i think its a relief lx is gone.....now all i have to worry about it being distracted by tisha...

[Lubawski]

Good luck in retirement Scott. If you find the secret, let us know. Though I would think Lack has a way of blocking that. I don't know how he got the crack into my keyboard in the first place. All I know is I can't get away.

[lord voldemort]

I am so eager for this to begin already