CC has Cheated Me

[Evil Semp]

i think it was in the right place.....give me a good reason this shouldnt be in the "cheating and abuse" reports......should CC not look into this?

Because it was a test of the emergency thread movement system. It was only a test. If it had been a real emergency the thread would have been locked. I repeat this was only a test.

once again our mods showing their class.

An attempt at humor that failed, so crucify me AON.

[owenshooter]

An attempt at humor that failed, so crucify me AON.

hey, that's my schtick! go get your own jokes!-the black jesus

[Master Fenrir]

My question to you, or anyone for that matter, is what was wrong with the old dice?

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to that question. I was unaware there were old dice.

My understanding is that the number string that was 50,000 digits long would get worked through sequentially, a "marker" for the string being moved along with each assault. When it reached the end of the 50,00 sequence, it would start back at the 1st number. The change was that now each assault draws from any random starting point within the entire 50,000 digit chain, instead of working through it sequentially.

I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that's at least mostly accurate.

[ljex]

My question to you, or anyone for that matter, is what was wrong with the old dice?

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to that question. I was unaware there were old dice.

My understanding is that the number string that was 50,000 digits long would get worked through sequentially, a "marker" for the string being moved along with each assault. When it reached the end of the 50,00 sequence, it would start back at the 1st number. The change was that now each assault draws from any random starting point within the entire 50,000 digit chain, instead of working through it sequentially.

I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that's at least mostly accurate.

this is my understanding as well

[squishyg]

math is hard, tee hee!

i liked the old dice better too

[METRO25]

Yes, I agree the Dice do suck at times.

But if the Dice suck for you, they also suck for everyone else also.

The way I have worked around this is to focus on being the defender, rather than the attacker.

The best thing you can do to work with crappy dice is to defend your territories by putting 2 or 3 armies in each region, this way the odds work better for you when your under attack.

Also another good stratagy is to build up your armies and let everyone beat the crap out of each other and then go in for the kill when everyone is weak!

[jackal31]

METRO25 wrote - "But if the Dice suck for you, they also suck for everyone else also."

*bzzzzz* WRONG! It is quite apparent that my opponent has great dice if my dice suck. So not everyone else's are too!

METRO25 wrote - "The best thing you can do to work with crappy dice is to defend your territories by putting 2 or 3 armies in each region, this way the odds work better for you when your under attack."

Wrong again.....when the dice are bad for me....it doesnt matter if you play defense or offense. That is what the "string" theory is all about. Did you read anything up to this point?

METRO25 wrote - "Also another good stratagy is to build up your armies and let everyone beat the crap out of each other and then go in for the kill when everyone is weak!"

Thanks genius! I never really thought of that strategy before. Having been here for 4 years and played enough games, I think I know a little something about strategy. And how to capitalize on mistakes my opponent makes. And that leads back to my original premise: I have a VERY large stack, and I cant defeat a single (F***ING) army, then my opponent should win by playing like a complete moron? So in your argument, he defended with a 1. That was okay though, because he was counting on that 1 to beat up my 20 that came at it.

Rethink your argument.

[L M S]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

[pimphawks70]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

How would this make them more balanced?

[Bboru]

Xerxes had this same complaint about the lousy dice he got at Thermopylae

[MNDuke]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

That is the best idea I've heard since hiring little pakistani boys to roll dice. Seriously it would be a lot better than knowing some asshole took all the good rolls.

[Woodruff]

But if the Dice suck for you, they also suck for everyone else also.

*bzzzzz* WRONG! It is quite apparent that my opponent has great dice if my dice suck. So not everyone else's are too!

So then what you're saying is that the dice themselves DON'T suck. Are you suggesting that the dice are programmed to be better for some than others? Because if not, then I'm not sure what the issue is.

The best thing you can do to work with crappy dice is to defend your territories by putting 2 or 3 armies in each region, this way the odds work better for you when your under attack.

Wrong again.....when the dice are bad for me....it doesnt matter if you play defense or offense. That is what the "string" theory is all about. Did you read anything up to this point?

This is factually incorrect. If the dice are bad for you, playing defense IS the key. Give those "crappy offensive dice" to the next poor sap. If that next guy has great dice, then you would have had great dice - it is unavoidable.

Rethink your argument.

Indeed.

[L M S]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

How would this make them more balanced?

Because then everyones dice would, at some point, be equally balanced? We would all drawing from a pool of numbers that are the same...equal crap dice and equal great dice? The streaks maybe would even out? Just seemed like the only proposal not brought up really...

I understand that over time it all works out but that doesn't really work. The sheer number of dice rolled on CC everyday assures that crazy-ass 63 v 3 losses are going to happen on a regular basis, when in all reality it shouldn't? I guess I'm wondering what would happen if we shrink the dice pool so everyone has the same chance at the "good dice" out of the 50000 string....? Perception is a very large part of reality after all, and my perception is that I get shit dice constantly and consistently, so someone must be pulling the great strings out of the 50000, while I miss them everytime.

I dont know what I'm saying I guess, it were just a thought.

I need more whiskey.

[Woodruff]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

How would this make them more balanced?

Because then everyones dice would, at some point, be equally balanced? We would all drawing from a pool of numbers that are the same...equal crap dice and equal great dice? The streaks maybe would even out? Just seemed like the only proposal not brought up really...

I understand that over time it all works out but that doesn't really work. The sheer number of dice rolled on CC everyday assures that crazy-ass 63 v 3 losses are going to happen on a regular basis, when in all reality it shouldn't? I guess I'm wondering what would happen if we shrink the dice pool so everyone has the same chance at the "good dice" out of the 50000 string....? Perception is a very large part of reality after all, and my perception is that I get shit dice constantly and consistently, so someone must be pulling the great strings out of the 50000, while I miss them everytime.

I dont know what I'm saying I guess, it were just a thought.

I need more whiskey.

It's at least creative thinking on your part, but I don't believe it would resolve the problem. I say this because a 6 on defense is still an auto-win and a 1 on offense is still an auto-loss. The statistics of the numbers 1-6 and them showing up on the offensive three dice or the defensive two dice (with ties) would not be altered in the slightest by this, I don't believe.

[L M S]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

How would this make them more balanced?

Because then everyones dice would, at some point, be equally balanced? We would all drawing from a pool of numbers that are the same...equal crap dice and equal great dice? The streaks maybe would even out? Just seemed like the only proposal not brought up really...

I understand that over time it all works out but that doesn't really work. The sheer number of dice rolled on CC everyday assures that crazy-ass 63 v 3 losses are going to happen on a regular basis, when in all reality it shouldn't? I guess I'm wondering what would happen if we shrink the dice pool so everyone has the same chance at the "good dice" out of the 50000 string....? Perception is a very large part of reality after all, and my perception is that I get shit dice constantly and consistently, so someone must be pulling the great strings out of the 50000, while I miss them everytime.

I dont know what I'm saying I guess, it were just a thought.

I need more whiskey.

It's at least creative thinking on your part, but I don't believe it would resolve the problem. I say this because a 6 on defense is still an auto-win and a 1 on offense is still an auto-loss. The statistics of the numbers 1-6 and them showing up on the offensive three dice or the defensive two dice (with ties) would not be altered in the slightest by this, I don't believe.

I'm not sure it would either but its worth a look even if it never happens. At least that way the perception would be there that you had an even chance...where as now that is non-existent.

[MNDuke]

I would agree. Almost anything is better than the status quo

[Woodruff]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

How would this make them more balanced?

Because then everyones dice would, at some point, be equally balanced? We would all drawing from a pool of numbers that are the same...equal crap dice and equal great dice? The streaks maybe would even out? Just seemed like the only proposal not brought up really...

I understand that over time it all works out but that doesn't really work. The sheer number of dice rolled on CC everyday assures that crazy-ass 63 v 3 losses are going to happen on a regular basis, when in all reality it shouldn't? I guess I'm wondering what would happen if we shrink the dice pool so everyone has the same chance at the "good dice" out of the 50000 string....? Perception is a very large part of reality after all, and my perception is that I get shit dice constantly and consistently, so someone must be pulling the great strings out of the 50000, while I miss them everytime.

I dont know what I'm saying I guess, it were just a thought.

I need more whiskey.

It's at least creative thinking on your part, but I don't believe it would resolve the problem. I say this because a 6 on defense is still an auto-win and a 1 on offense is still an auto-loss. The statistics of the numbers 1-6 and them showing up on the offensive three dice or the defensive two dice (with ties) would not be altered in the slightest by this, I don't believe.

I'm not sure it would either but its worth a look even if it never happens. At least that way the perception would be there that you had an even chance...where as now that is non-existent.

The key word in your statements here is "perception".

[L M S]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

How would this make them more balanced?

Because then everyones dice would, at some point, be equally balanced? We would all drawing from a pool of numbers that are the same...equal crap dice and equal great dice? The streaks maybe would even out? Just seemed like the only proposal not brought up really...

I understand that over time it all works out but that doesn't really work. The sheer number of dice rolled on CC everyday assures that crazy-ass 63 v 3 losses are going to happen on a regular basis, when in all reality it shouldn't? I guess I'm wondering what would happen if we shrink the dice pool so everyone has the same chance at the "good dice" out of the 50000 string....? Perception is a very large part of reality after all, and my perception is that I get shit dice constantly and consistently, so someone must be pulling the great strings out of the 50000, while I miss them everytime.

I dont know what I'm saying I guess, it were just a thought.

I need more whiskey.

It's at least creative thinking on your part, but I don't believe it would resolve the problem. I say this because a 6 on defense is still an auto-win and a 1 on offense is still an auto-loss. The statistics of the numbers 1-6 and them showing up on the offensive three dice or the defensive two dice (with ties) would not be altered in the slightest by this, I don't believe.

I'm not sure it would either but its worth a look even if it never happens. At least that way the perception would be there that you had an even chance...where as now that is non-existent.

The key word in your statements here is "perception".

And I fully admit that Ole' Woody-Wouldrow-Wooderson....but that's what counts for my money bud.
Equality
Balance
the crap=the great..give me that perception and I will be a happy camper.

[hondacbr]

What if we all had our own strings of 50,000 numbers. That way at least the dice would be balanced AND random.

too expensive I suppose.....sigh.

That is the best idea I've heard since hiring little pakistani boys to roll dice. Seriously it would be a lot better than knowing some asshole took all the good rolls.

[elfish_lad]

Dear Lord. CC has cheated me out of hours and hours and hours of real life experiences. The b.s. The un-needed drama. The angst about a virtual, make belief game. I can't believe lackattack (the bastard) and his malicious cronies (a 1950's word... look it up if you need to) burst into my house and forced me to join and continue to join... year after year... the plague that is Conquer Club.

Will it never end?

[DJPatrick]

You joined when? last year...lol...get some time up....Wait till you sneak out from work, take a govt car and head off for an hour or two to check an important game on your home computer...lol...not that that happens...meh...insidious but irresistable if only to amalgamate the world's assoles in one site...lol

[Rozebud]

It was moved because C&A is not the place for a "Dice Bitch" thread.

hmmm.....I dont think I titled this as a "dice bitch" thread......I think i titled this as a ".....cheated...." thread.....thus makes it a different topic.

This is now in a place that the complaint wont get looked at. Should I send in an e-ticket?

Don't bother .. I will join you in your decision to leave this site as a paying member for good as soon as my premium ends on 2011-02-06 11:39:38. Few months to go but hey at last it will be over. And hopefully more people join this trend ..

I couldn't agree more with your good points made and I am just as frustrated as you on the god damned dice engine and the asshole who created such a piece of shit that takes the fun out of the game.

I understand people's frustration but few will ever admit they have had extremely good dice. They feel that they are due those good rolls and the reason they won that game was because the out strategized their opponent not because they got lucky with dice. If someone loses, it's never because they had a lesser strategy it's because the dice screwed them.

I realize sometimes it sucks and I have plenty of games where i say "0-4 again" but I never talk about the 1v1 roll I take and win even though I actually have less than a 42% chance of getting it. (36 possible combinations, attacker wins 15; defender wins 21).

As far as I'm concerned about you guys leaving CC because you feel the site is cheating you and noone else, go for it. I don't know why you think CC would program defensive dice to be stronger then attacking, that is just asinine in my opinion. If you only had horrible dice against the bigger names on the site, then maybe you would have a valid complaint but if you have such horrible dice against everyone, I promise it isn't the site out to get you. And if there is one less person that I have to play against and listen to them bitch about dice during the whole game, that is fine by me. Plenty of other opponents out there to replace you. Go play solitaire and whine about how the cards are stacked against you.

I complain about noobs and the rating system, but I LOVE the dice

My long term experience definitely bears out the mathematical fact that when attacking with 4 armies or more, the attacker has a slight edge

[niMic]

I don't think there's any funky business going on, but it'd be nice if I had good dice on average over a long period. Checking my dice analyzer, 6 is my least thrown offensive die and most thrown defensive die (and, incidentally, 1 is my least thrown defensive die).

I don't think CC is cheating me, but it definitely hates me.

[AndyDufresne]

I don't think CC is cheating me, but it definitely hates me.

Look at it this way---hate is really just an intense love. So really, CC loves you so much. Maybe too much. plx answrs our txts. we ned u babe.


--Andy

[Rozebud]

I don't think CC is cheating me, but it definitely hates me.

Look at it this way---hate is really just an intense love. So really, CC loves you so much. Maybe too much. plx answrs our txts. we ned u babe.


--Andy

All things considered...CC is awesome

I complain sometimes but here I am every day...it's a fun site...