Calidrmr / avatar abuse [closed]lv

[Royal Panda]

There are clear rules about avatars in the Forum Guidelines. See: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785

# Avatar Abuse

* If an avatar is not within the above Guidelines or includes someone's personal information (whether it's true or not), a user will first receive a Warning along with having the avatar removed. If the Warning is not heeded, avatar use will be disabled for 1 week. If the disabling is not heeded, avatar use will be disabled indefinitely.

Please point out where in the guidelines it says swearing is against the rules?

[trapyoung]

In Owen's defense, avatars have been forced to be changed before for being lewd, offensive, etc.

In CC's defense, the rules policy talks about live chat, general chat, game chat etc. and Night Strike explicitly mentions that you can encounter curse words and you should foe and move on.

In Owen's defense, at one time you could not foe mods (not sure if still the policy) and therefore he would be forced to see the avatar he continues to view as offensive.

In CC's defense, owen's being a pain in the ass.

In Owen's defense, he deserves to be a pain in the ass for his ban on questionable grounds and deserves a legitimate ruling on this issue.

In CC's defense, mods are volunteers and can post as such outside of their official capacity. I guess one could also argue they should be able to represent themselves in whatever capacity they chose as well...

But in Owen's defense, as a moderator you should at least represent the site ideals that are claimed to be promoted. Also, calling his last post a flame is pretty weak at best and just seems to back up his belief that the site enforces the rules when they want and not evenly.

As jefjef said, Owen deserves a site ruling on this. Who gives a shit if he's being a pain in the ass, he served his ban and should be given the ability to contribute and have his concerns addressed like other paying customers. Any reprimand and you become a lower class citizen who just gets ignored is not the precedent that should be set here. Address his claim, for better or worse, and stop deciding cases on whether you find someone annoying or friendly.

[trapyoung]

Offensive words contained therein.

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[owenshooter]

I can't be bothered to read 19 pages - explain to me how this is against the rules. You haven't done this yet.

i don't expect you to read 19 pages, that would involve you actually learning something about CC and the rules (apparently no longer a requirement for volunteers)... and i have spelled it out countless times if you would be bothered to even read a post in this thread. other members have been forced to remove avatars with the same word in them. hell, an avatar of a close up of a non-descript nipple was forcibly removed by team CC, despite the fact that nobody knew if it was a male or a females. it was just PORN. in this case, CC auto-edits the word f*ck when typed in the forums and live chat. thus, CC has deemed f*ck offensive. why then is any CC member allowed to have that word in their avatar without it being edited as it is by CC? since CC has deemed the word offensive, the Avatar is offensive...-the black jesus

p.s.-i especially loved the part where you declared this was an adult site, after CC ran around for over a year cleaning this site up declaring it was a family friendly site. you should really sit down and learn a few things about CC and the rules before you bound about as if you are an authority on any subject, which you clearly are not in this case.

[Royal Panda]

In Owen's defense, at one time you could not foe mods (not sure if still the policy) and therefore he would be forced to see the avatar he continues to view as offensive.

Mods can be foed. Owen is welcome to foe Calidrmr.

But in Owen's defense, as a moderator you should at least represent the site ideals that are claimed to be promoted. Also, calling his last post a flame is pretty weak at best and just seems to back up his belief that the site enforces the rules when they want and not evenly.

I do attempt to abide by the rules, Owen attacked my person and that is against the rules. It is called a flame. Calidrmr's avatar is not against the rules, this is a fact. Many people have let owen know this already, and he really is not helping himself by creating spurious threads and being intentionally annoying.

As jefjef said, Owen deserves a site ruling on this. Who gives a shit if he's being a pain in the ass, he served his ban and should be given the ability to contribute and have his concerns addressed like other paying customers. Any reprimand and you become a lower class citizen who just gets ignored is not the precedent that should be set here. Address his claim, for better or worse, and stop deciding cases on whether you find someone annoying or friendly.

Owen does deserve a ruling, and I am not deciding the case, merely letting owen know what I think of his report (as is my right as a forum-user). If I wanted to, I could report owen for being offensive to religion signing all his posts claiming he is Jesus. But I'm not religious so I don't find this offensive at all.

[Royal Panda]

I can't be bothered to read 19 pages - explain to me how this is against the rules. You haven't done this yet.

i don't expect you to read 19 pages, that would involve you actually learning something about CC and the rules (apparently no longer a requirement for volunteers)... and i have spelled it out countless times if you would be bothered to even read a post in this thread. other members have been forced to remove avatars with the same word in them. hell, an avatar of a close up of a non-descript nipple was forcibly removed by team CC, despite the fact that nobody knew if it was a male or a females. it was just PORN. in this case, CC auto-edits the word f*ck when typed in the forums and live chat. thus, CC has deemed f*ck offensive. why then is any CC member allowed to have that word in their avatar without it being edited as it is by CC? since CC has deemed the word offensive, the Avatar is offensive...-the black jesus

p.s.-i especially loved the part where you declared this was an adult site, after CC ran around for over a year cleaning this site up declaring it was a family friendly site. you should really sit down and learn a few things about CC and the rules before you bound about as if you are an authority on any subject, which you clearly are not in this case.

OFFENSIVE avatars are removed, when the avatar is specifically designed to be offensive. This clearly isn't the case with this avatar. Swearing is acceptable in the forum, in gamechat and in live chat. If you don't like swearing then FAMO. And maybe don't use the forum at all in fact...

[owenshooter]

I do attempt to abide by the rules, Owen attacked my person and that is against the rules. It is called a flame. Calidrmr's avatar is not against the rules, this is a fact. Many people have let owen know this already, and he really is not helping himself by creating spurious threads and being intentionally annoying.

1. you do not know the rules or understand the written rule. in no way did i flame you. read it a bit closer, maybe you will understand it better the second time.

2. i find it laughable that you are stating it is a FACT Cal's avatar is not offensive. others have had to remove avatar's for the same reason. and i bet CC would take great issue with avatar's and sigs cropping up with f*ck in them. if the word is not offensive, why is it auto-edited by CC? and again, this is a FAMILY FRIENDLY SITE, it is not adults only.

3. this is not a spurious report. as andy stated in the thread you can not be bothered to read, if you find an avatar that is offensive, take it to C&A for a ruling. i find the avatar offensive, i have taken it to C&A, how is this spurious? CC edits the word f*ck, i do not understand how it can thus be used in an avatar without it also being deemed offensive. logic, try to use it.

4. because i report one of your friends i am intentionally annoying? because i dare to report a volunteer i am intentionally annoying? because i dare to ask a question about an avatar i am intentionally annoying?

you are truly setting a poor example as a volunteer with your obtuse thinking, poor grasp of the rules, and your declaring that a users valid question/complaint is a spurious report. again, andy encourages any and all members to report offensive avatars and usernames. i have done this on multiple occasions and have never been accused of a spurious report by any of the mods involved. why don't you grab a pop from your fridge, sit down, and browse that thread. you just might realize how truly wrong you are...-the black jesus

[owenshooter]

OFFENSIVE avatars are removed, when the avatar is specifically designed to be offensive. This clearly isn't the case with this avatar. Swearing is acceptable in the forum, in gamechat and in live chat. If you don't like swearing then FAMO. And maybe don't use the forum at all in fact...

again, people have had to remove avatars with the same word in them. andy you have not read the thread i sighted so your not grasping the entire picture. swearing may be acceptable, but it is EDITED by CC's software. please explain to me why f*ck is edited if CC does not find it offensive? please explain that to me!!! it is edited in live chat and the forums because it is OFFENSIVE and this is a FAMILY FRIENDLY SITE. and wonderful suggestion that i not use the forums because i have found an avatar offensive. an avatar that is visible in the forums and contains a word AUTO-EDITED by CC's software, BECAUSE IT IS OFFENSIVE!! please think before you post, you are not stating any valid reasons as to why this is not offensive other than the fact that your friend is the person named in the complaint... the fact that you are a volunteer does not make you right and you are not a mod within this forum and i highly doubt you will be asked for your opinion when this ruling is made...-the black jesus

[MrBenn]

Here's my stance on the matter....

I don't believe Calidrmr's avatar to be abusive (the alleged breach of rules is avatar abuse).

I do believe that a Team CC volunteer should take efforts to stand out from the CC masses, and take care not to infringe (or perceive to infringe) the forum guidelines. With that in mind, I think it would be appropriate to request that the avatar is amended; this would seem to be in keeping with the spirit of the law, even if there may/not be any specific letter of the law to follow.

[Royal Panda]

1. you do not know the rules or understand the written rule. in no way did i flame you. read it a bit closer, maybe you will understand it better the second time.

Read the definition of flaming please.

2. i find it laughable that you are stating it is a FACT Cal's avatar is not offensive. others have had to remove avatar's for the same reason. and i bet CC would take great issue with avatar's and sigs cropping up with f*ck in them. if the word is not offensive, why is it auto-edited by CC? and again, this is a FAMILY FRIENDLY SITE, it is not adults only.

If you find that avatar offensive, so be it. I'm pretty sure the C&A moderators won't agree. Calidrmr's avatar is not INTENTIONALLY offensive to anyone, the same as yours. THAT is why she will be cleared to use it, and why it isn't against the rules.

3. this is not a spurious report. as andy stated in the thread you can not be bothered to read, if you find an avatar that is offensive, take it to C&A for a ruling. i find the avatar offensive, i have taken it to C&A, how is this spurious? CC edits the word f*ck, i do not understand how it can thus be used in an avatar without it also being deemed offensive. logic, try to use it.

4. because i report one of your friends i am intentionally annoying? because i dare to report a volunteer i am intentionally annoying? because i dare to ask a question about an avatar i am intentionally annoying?

Maybe you really DO find this avatar offensive... In which case, good luck to you!

you are truly setting a poor example as a volunteer with your obtuse thinking, poor grasp of the rules, and your declaring that a users valid question/complaint is a spurious report. again, andy encourages any and all members to report offensive avatars and usernames. i have done this on multiple occasions and have never been accused of a spurious report by any of the mods involved. why don't you grab a pop from your fridge, sit down, and browse that thread. you just might realize how truly wrong you are...-the black jesus

If you have a problem with me trying to help out the C&A mods not having to read threads like this, and saving their time, then please report me to an admin.

[mpjh]

That is entirely up to calidrmr.

However, even it that resolved the alleged complaint, there remains the flaming and vindictive nature of owenshooter's conduct in this thread.

[owenshooter]

Here's my stance on the matter....

I don't believe Calidrmr's avatar to be abusive (the alleged breach of rules is avatar abuse).

I do believe that a Team CC volunteer should take efforts to stand out from the CC masses, and take care not to infringe (or perceive to infringe) the forum guidelines. With that in mind, I think it would be appropriate to request that the avatar is amended; this would seem to be in keeping with the spirit of the law, even if there may/not be any specific letter of the law to follow.

this is a very lucid and sound response from a senior member of team CC that seems to be able to grasp the situation at hand. even though i do not agree that this avatar is not a breach of the rules, i do agree with his solution. it is actually one i made earlier in the thread before all the name calling and flaming started. nice post MrBenn, thanks for your very valid input...-the black jesus

p.s.-this is how you further discourse... i hope some other volunteers take note...

[owenshooter]

That is entirely up to calidrmr.

However, even it that resolved the alleged complaint, there remains the flaming and vindictive nature of owenshooter's conduct in this thread.

1. it is not up to Cal... it is up to the C&A mods and admins. there are rules and precedents that have been set. again, if it is not offensive, then why is it auto-edited by CC's software?

2. i have not flamed or baited anyone in this thread, i do believe that you have and you have been reported. i did not break any rule in any of my posts. it is not my fault if my ability to manipulate the written word makes you feel as if you have been flamed, but you have not. i have not flamed anyone and you have yet to explain or sight how this thread is vindictive. i invite you to do so, because you can not.

the black jesus has spoken...-the black jesus

[MrBenn]

On a side note, I also believe that there has been enough baiting from both sides of the CC camp so far in this thread. I would like to take this opportunity to prescribe a remedy:

[owenshooter]

in case someone missed this due to mpjh's further trolling of this thread. nice post MrBenn...-the black jesus

Here's my stance on the matter....

I don't believe Calidrmr's avatar to be abusive (the alleged breach of rules is avatar abuse).

I do believe that a Team CC volunteer should take efforts to stand out from the CC masses, and take care not to infringe (or perceive to infringe) the forum guidelines. With that in mind, I think it would be appropriate to request that the avatar is amended; this would seem to be in keeping with the spirit of the law, even if there may/not be any specific letter of the law to follow.

[Royal Panda]

Here's my stance on the matter....

I don't believe Calidrmr's avatar to be abusive (the alleged breach of rules is avatar abuse).

I do believe that a Team CC volunteer should take efforts to stand out from the CC masses, and take care not to infringe (or perceive to infringe) the forum guidelines. With that in mind, I think it would be appropriate to request that the avatar is amended; this would seem to be in keeping with the spirit of the law, even if there may/not be any specific letter of the law to follow.

this is a very lucid and sound response from a senior member of team CC that seems to be able to grasp the situation at hand. even though i do not agree that this avatar is not a breach of the rules, i do agree with his solution. it is actually one i made earlier in the thread before all the name calling and flaming started. nice post MrBenn, thanks for your very valid input...-the black jesus

p.s.-this is how you further discourse... i hope some other volunteers take note...

MrBenn has made his opinion on the matter clear, which he is entitled to as a CC user. I have made my opinion clear as well, as has mpjh. I fail to see the difference in discourses, merely that one opinion is closer to your own, so therefore you appreciate it more.

[jbrettlip]

I can't decide if my new avatar should read "I f*ck little kids" or "I fucked Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha". Can someone help me set up a poll?

[Royal Panda]

I can't decide if my new avatar should read "I f*ck little kids" or "I fucked Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha". Can someone help me set up a poll?

Wow, someone was on the ball. I went to report this post and it had already been done!

[owenshooter]

I can't decide if my new avatar should read "I f*ck little kids" or "I fucked Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha". Can someone help me set up a poll?

Wow, someone was on the ball. I went to report this post and it had already been done!

why? according to you, f*ck is not offensive in any way, despite being edited by CC's software. brett didn't flame anyone in his post, so it can't be that... and if you go to off topics there is a thread about Jesus' penis and a poll about it's possible length going on right now, so it can't be his mentioning of Mo, Jesus and Buddha!! you are clearly not a very well versed in CC and it's rules. that isn't so shocking considering the quality of the new Jr. Mint Squad that is running about trolling the forums... again, the avatar is offensive, it uses language that CC has deemed offensive and has even gone so far as to have it auto-corrected within the forums and live chat. nobody has explained or given a valid reason as to why i should not find the word f*ck in an avatar offensive. again, if it is not offensive, why is it auto-corrected. and let's not forget, despite Pander's ignorant statement that this is an ADULT site, CC promotes itself as a family friendly site...-the black jesus

[Royal Panda]

If we all posted a C&A report about everything we each found offensive, the servers would probably crash! If you foe Calidrmr, you don't have to look at her avatar any more. You know full well why jbrettlip's post will not be tolerated; why must you be difficult? The first bit in quotations of his post is just a bit different from a giraffe saying "f*ck" as an expression of annoyance, isn't it?

[notyou2]

I have been on this site for 1.5 years. I believe, but I am not certain, that Cali has had that avatar the whole time. I bet, if I looked, I could find threads that Cali and OS both posted in. I find it strange that since Cali became a tech mod about 6 weeks ago, OS now makes a complaint about her avatar.

OS, please enlighten us, the unwashed masses.

[lord voldemort]

Ok,

Lets all take mr benn's chill pill and relax a lil...Its just turning into a pissing contest.

I do not believe that her avatar is breaking forum guidelines. I think mrbenn hit the nail in the head...That team cc has to stray further from the line to just avoid confusion. if the avatar was in bad taste. Ie jbrett's obsurd proposal to have i f*ck lil kids then i think we could force a remove. But her avatar is a joke. And i honestly do not believe for a second that it truly bothers you owen. Or anyone else for a matter.

So I am closing and locking this. Personally as a friend of cali i will prolly recommend she removes it. But nothing will be forcefully removed.

lv