Platoon Mafia - VC lynched! Survivors win!

[safariguy5]

Whoa, lot's of stuff going down here. I had better post up...
First of all, I am Elias. I have was not told who or how many people are allied with me. I was told that I have enemies within the platoon though.
As for Mandy, I have no way to verify whether his claim is legit or not. The VC supposedly have fake claims and he could be one of them. On the other hand, it would strike me as possibly unbalanced for the VC to be told the identity of a potentially important role. Of course, it is possible that they could have done some sort of investigation to find out this info. I can't verify ga7 either, with him there is the additional possibility of him not having known my identity and fakeclaiming after Mandy mentioned it.

That's really wierd if that is a mechanic of the game. It would make sense for Barnes and Elias to know the identities of all of their supporters and also for their supporters to not know anyone but Elias or Barnes, but doesn't make a lot of sense vice versa. While I still feel like Mandy costing us a townie was bad, I'm more concerned about this whole spiesr versus talapus thing. For now, I'll unvote

[strike wolf]

Given the fact that Talapus didn't seem to be previously aware of the town's factions and is obviously not a survivor I can't verify for everyone but Mandy has claimed Survivor, I know I am and Ga7 has claimed so as well (I believe him as he seems to have had prior knowledge to the survivor role), plus the fact that Tal is pushing for a counter-claim (a smarter way of trying to convince town that he does not believe mandy is town) I think we have found our first VC. vote talapus

[strike wolf]

VOTE COUNT


Mandy (3) Safariguy, Pancake, /
Safariguy (1) Ga7
Pancake (1) Mandy
Talapus (1) Spiesr

with 11 alive it is 6 to lynch

Ga switched his vote to Tal...

[strike wolf]

Whoa, lot's of stuff going down here. I had better post up...
First of all, I am Elias. I have was not told who or how many people are allied with me. I was told that I have enemies within the platoon though.
As for Mandy, I have no way to verify whether his claim is legit or not. The VC supposedly have fake claims and he could be one of them. On the other hand, it would strike me as possibly unbalanced for the VC to be told the identity of a potentially important role. Of course, it is possible that they could have done some sort of investigation to find out this info. I can't verify ga7 either, with him there is the additional possibility of him not having known my identity and fakeclaiming after Mandy mentioned it.

That's really wierd if that is a mechanic of the game. It would make sense for Barnes and Elias to know the identities of all of their supporters and also for their supporters to not know anyone but Elias or Barnes, but doesn't make a lot of sense vice versa. While I still feel like Mandy costing us a townie was bad, I'm more concerned about this whole spiesr versus talapus thing. For now, I'll unvote

Maybe a weird dynamic but given what I know about my sgt that I am allied under and his voting pattern from Day 1 that is the dynamic as he did vote for at least one of the people who are allied under him.

[Talapus]

Given the fact that Talapus didn't seem to be previously aware of the town's factions and is obviously not a survivor I can't verify for everyone but Mandy has claimed Survivor, I know I am and Ga7 has claimed so as well (I believe him as he seems to have had prior knowledge to the survivor role), plus the fact that Tal is pushing for a counter-claim (a smarter way of trying to convince town that he does not believe mandy is town) I think we have found our first VC. vote talapus

I wouldn't exactly say "pushing for a counter claim". But waiting to see if one appears, heck yes. And as the the survivor thing, you are correct. As for the VC thing, you are incorrect. You are the third person to jump on board and vote me so now I pretty much have to claim as I wish to go to bed and not have to worry about being shot in my sleep. I am Big Harold.

Also the fact that you are saying everyone so far is claiming survivor does nothing to ease my mind as the only people we've lost so far are soldiers. So ya just because you, mandy, and ga7 say it must be true, doesn't mean I'm buying it. So yes, still waiting to see is someone is going to counterclaim mandy's role.

[ga7]

Whoa, lot's of stuff going down here. I had better post up...
First of all, I am Elias. I have was not told who or how many people are allied with me. I was told that I have enemies within the platoon though.
As for Mandy, I have no way to verify whether his claim is legit or not. The VC supposedly have fake claims and he could be one of them. On the other hand, it would strike me as possibly unbalanced for the VC to be told the identity of a potentially important role. Of course, it is possible that they could have done some sort of investigation to find out this info. I can't verify ga7 either, with him there is the additional possibility of him not having known my identity and fakeclaiming after Mandy mentioned it.

Well I thought my actions spoke for me (oh wait that's assuming anyone reread ). I thought your wagon on day 1 was perfectly valid and worked on AoG for that reason. Seriously man, you gave us too much work and broke Mandy

Anyway again with the BS Tal, you assumed a lot as scum and got caught in your own lie. Big Harold was Elias-affiliated in the movie, small role but still obvious. There's no reason why the role would be any different than us soldiers.

[mandalorian2298]

Ok, I don't get it. Why would Mandy's role be survivor with a claim like that. I mean granted, it's war and it's pretty much get home safetly, to win. But if Mandy's claim is thruthful on both accounts then my earlier assesment is completely inaccurate. I still completely think it feasible that some of us know who others are since we are all fighting and working with eachother in a war setting. However if this survivor claim is legit then that theory is totally bogus. So now, I'm really not sure. Would still love to hear a counter claim at this point if there is one.

Yeah Talapus, unless you have some sort of special role or are scum you really should know that you need to survive to win in this game...
Unvote Vote Talapus

Wow, skim much do we? In your previous post you confirm my line of thinking and then three posts later you vote me for something you just confirm. And both after the post of mine you just quoted. So explain to me how exactly it makes sense that you jump right on board and agree with ga7 without really adding anything to the discussion yourself after already confirming that you know other men are in your platoon? Because I have yet to see a survivor lynched or day killed and everyone we've lost so far is obviously town, so even your reason for voting me sucks. And with that spiesr....you just earned my vote. You answer all those points accuately though and we'll discuss changing that. Vote: spiesr

Apparently we do, since we are revenge voting confirmed townies. Also, as Ga7 pointed out, your character should be Elias-affiliated. This being said: unvote vote Talapus.

[spiesr]

Also the fact that you are saying everyone so far is claiming survivor does nothing to ease my mind as the only people we've lost so far are soldiers. So ya just because you, mandy, and ga7 say it must be true, doesn't mean I'm buying it.

As far as I can tell, every standard soldier in this game has surviving as part of their win condition. So in effect every "town" player is also a survivor. I assume that the two dead people have lost the game as they failed to survive.

Anyhow, I am Survivor (among other things), so if I croak, I don't really care which fraction wins, save the fact that, after the moronic and careless way that he played Day 1, the thought of someone NKing Spiesr gives me a pleasant tingly sensation.

The underlined part here is key. Mandy said that he has survivor as part of his win condition, not that his role is simply survivor.
If you were town it seems like you would know that the soldiers have survivor characteristics...

[Talapus]

Also the fact that you are saying everyone so far is claiming survivor does nothing to ease my mind as the only people we've lost so far are soldiers. So ya just because you, mandy, and ga7 say it must be true, doesn't mean I'm buying it.

As far as I can tell, every standard soldier in this game has surviving as part of their win condition. So in effect every "town" player is also a survivor. I assume that the two dead people have lost the game as they failed to survive.

Anyhow, I am Survivor (among other things), so if I croak, I don't really care which fraction wins, save the fact that, after the moronic and careless way that he played Day 1, the thought of someone NKing Spiesr gives me a pleasant tingly sensation.

The underlined part here is key. Mandy said that he has survivor as part of his win condition, not that his role is simply survivor.
If you were town it seems like you would know that the soldiers have survivor characteristics...

As part of my win condition yes. I just assume it isn't the win condition yet as other soldiers are still alive. Thats why I doubted he was flat out a survivor becuase I don't have that as my role and have yet to see a solid survivor role pop up.

[mandalorian2298]

Also the fact that you are saying everyone so far is claiming survivor does nothing to ease my mind as the only people we've lost so far are soldiers. So ya just because you, mandy, and ga7 say it must be true, doesn't mean I'm buying it.

As far as I can tell, every standard soldier in this game has surviving as part of their win condition. So in effect every "town" player is also a survivor. I assume that the two dead people have lost the game as they failed to survive.

Anyhow, I am Survivor (among other things), so if I croak, I don't really care which fraction wins, save the fact that, after the moronic and careless way that he played Day 1, the thought of someone NKing Spiesr gives me a pleasant tingly sensation.

The underlined part here is key. Mandy said that he has survivor as part of his win condition, not that his role is simply survivor.
If you were town it seems like you would know that the soldiers have survivor characteristics...

As part of my win condition yes. I just assume it isn't the win condition yet as other soldiers are still alive. Thats why I doubted he was flat out a survivor becuase I don't have that as my role and have yet to see a solid survivor role pop up.

To quote Xander Harris: "And on the day when the words 'flimsy excuse' were redefined, we stood in awe and watched..."

And if any amongst you don't know who Xander Harris is, I'm voting that person next.

Seriously Spiesr, while I maintain that you're Day 1 play left a lot to be desired, you are kicking ass on this Day 2 in a totally Elias-worthy way. Great job man.

[safariguy5]

Also the fact that you are saying everyone so far is claiming survivor does nothing to ease my mind as the only people we've lost so far are soldiers. So ya just because you, mandy, and ga7 say it must be true, doesn't mean I'm buying it.

As far as I can tell, every standard soldier in this game has surviving as part of their win condition. So in effect every "town" player is also a survivor. I assume that the two dead people have lost the game as they failed to survive.

Anyhow, I am Survivor (among other things), so if I croak, I don't really care which fraction wins, save the fact that, after the moronic and careless way that he played Day 1, the thought of someone NKing Spiesr gives me a pleasant tingly sensation.

The underlined part here is key. Mandy said that he has survivor as part of his win condition, not that his role is simply survivor.
If you were town it seems like you would know that the soldiers have survivor characteristics...

This "among other things" is interesting, because you are implying that you have another win condition. Care to elaborate?
As part of my win condition yes. I just assume it isn't the win condition yet as other soldiers are still alive. Thats why I doubted he was flat out a survivor becuase I don't have that as my role and have yet to see a solid survivor role pop up.

To quote Xander Harris: "And on the day when the words 'flimsy excuse' were redefined, we stood in awe and watched..."

And if any amongst you don't know who Xander Harris is, I'm voting that person next.

Seriously Spiesr, while I maintain that you're Day 1 play left a lot to be desired, you are kicking ass on this Day 2 in a totally Elias-worthy way. Great job man.

[nagerous]

The mood amongst the soldiers had reached a record low. Furious with the latest developments, the soldiers chanced upon a Vietnamese village, which was suspected of aiding the Viet Cong. Some of the soldiers set upon a chain of destruction, shooting pigs, torching houses and assaulting innocent children.

Sergeant Barnes was noticed to have gone completely insane. In a rage he fired shots, killing an old Vietnamese woman. He then turned to one of the men in the platoon.

"You VC!" he shouted.... "YOU VC!" and fired the pistol shooting Talapus right in the centre of his head


Talapus (Viet Cong) has been shot!



He had struck correctly, but his rampage was not over, he grabbed a little girl and threatened to kill her too and looked like he was about to do it when out of nowhere Sergeant Elias came over and punched him and a fight broke out. Eventually the fight was split up but despite the successes of the village raid with the dead VC a civil war amidst the platoon was brewing.

[spiesr]

So daykilling now? Also, since it is still day, where do we go from here?

[safariguy5]

Well that was interesting. I'm not really sure where to go from here.

[strike wolf]

While I'm glad Tal is dead and we do apparently have power roles (at least Elias and Barnes I would assume) The bad thing is that it happened in such a way that we really didn't get a chance to get some information out of it to the point where we could find any other VCs...

[ga7]

I wonder if Elias & Barnes are really power roles or it's just Nag narrating as the movie actually... First day kill wasn't pointing at anyone at least.
Anyway good job on the Tal lynch everyone who took part, a hard look on the others could be nice, I had started researching yesterday but got an electricity cut and can't be bothered to redo it now -_- We definitely can and need to make good use of our lynch in any case as next day probably won't be so convenient in the daykill department... Not to mention we paid a high price to get Tal. The VC didn't have full detail in their fakeclaim, but now it'll be nigh impossible to catch them red handed in the same way.

[strike wolf]

fos safari and panckamix. I don't see it worth hiding anymore but I am as many of you are probably already assuming barnes aligned. Anyways the relevance here is assuming that eachb town faction has an even number that should leave room for 4 VC barnes and elias and 4 allied townies with possible. So with two barnes aligned townies killed plus me that leaves room for only one other unknown barnes ally. Seeing as pancake was obviously against spiesr day 1 before we knew he was elias and reviewing showing that safari is not a very likely elias aligned it seems very possible that at least one of them is vc.

[strike wolf]

fos safari and panckamix. I don't see it worth hiding anymore but I am as many of you are probably already assuming barnes aligned. Anyways the relevance here is assuming that eachb town faction has an even number that should leave room for 4 VC barnes and elias and 4 allied townies on each side. So with two barnes aligned townies killed plus me that leaves room for only one other unknown barnes ally. Seeing as pancake was obviously against spiesr day 1 before we knew he was elias and reviewing showing that safari is not a very likely elias aligned it seems very possible that at least one of them is vc.

Ebwop

[spiesr]

Elias faction:
4. Spiesr
1. Mandalorian2298 (unless counterclaimed)
14. Ga7


Barnes faction or VC:
6. Pancakemix
8. Strike Wolf
12. cena-rules
9. Safariguy5
10. /

Unknown:
2. Thezzaruz (replacing Lord Voldemort)
3. Talapus
5. Icedagger
13. LSU Tiger Josh

Well, looking back at ga7's list here two of the unknowns have died, the other two haven't posted much lately. Strike is claiming Barnes affiliation, can you give us a little more than that? So which section should we pick from?

[safariguy5]

fos safari and panckamix. I don't see it worth hiding anymore but I am as many of you are probably already assuming barnes aligned. Anyways the relevance here is assuming that eachb town faction has an even number that should leave room for 4 VC barnes and elias and 4 allied townies on each side. So with two barnes aligned townies killed plus me that leaves room for only one other unknown barnes ally. Seeing as pancake was obviously against spiesr day 1 before we knew he was elias and reviewing showing that safari is not a very likely elias aligned it seems very possible that at least one of them is vc.

Ebwop

Well, I claim that I am Barnes aligned. If you go back and read my musings on the hidden faction win condition, I wrote it partly because I was concerned about the Barnes townies dying really quickly. Now, in regards to

Elias faction:
4. Spiesr
1. Mandalorian2298 (unless counterclaimed)
14. Ga7


Barnes faction or VC:
6. Pancakemix
8. Strike Wolf
12. cena-rules
9. Safariguy5
10. /

Unknown:
2. Thezzaruz (replacing Lord Voldemort)
3. Talapus
5. Icedagger
13. LSU Tiger Josh

the lists here, I feel like lynching a possible inactive is not necessarily needed right now. Remember, Night 1 was partially determined by an activity check. So I would assume that any night going forward may have some sort of an activity check and the inactives might die from that. Either way, I feel that hitting someone on the possible VC list would be more useful. Now, I wonder if 4 players on the team includes the actual leader himself. For now, I will assume that there are a total of 5 players on each town faction (4 members +Elias/Barnes).

Lets assume that the Elias members are correct for now. With 1 dead, there's either an inactive or someone from the Barnes/VC alliance who is either an Elias member or Elias himself. With 2 dead from the Barnes faction, that leaves 3 openings for Barnes alliance members. Strike claims 1 and I claim 1. This means that out of PCM, cena, and /, one of them is Barnes. But since strike is pushing for a choice between me or PCM, I'll leave cena and / alone for now.

Granted, this analysis is based on a list that may not be accurate, but assuming that the list is a good indicator of town, then I think PCM should claim a role or alignment so we can maybe look for a counter claim.

FOS PCM

[strike wolf]

Elias faction:
4. Spiesr
1. Mandalorian2298 (unless counterclaimed)
14. Ga7
2. Thezzaruz (replacing Lord Voldemort)

Barnes faction or VC:
6. Pancakemix
8. Strike Wolf
12. cena-rules
9. Safariguy5
10. /

Unknown:

3. Talapus
5. Icedagger
13. LSU Tiger Josh

Well, looking back at ga7's list here two of the unknowns have died, the other two haven't posted much lately. Strike is claiming Barnes affiliation, can you give us a little more than that? So which section should we pick from?

I can give you my role, I am private bunny, barnes-allied townie. other than that I don't think there's anything else you need to know immediately, though at least some of it I would assume will come out as the game goes on. As far as who to look for...

Like I said i am looking at Pancake and safari as potential mafia members. Other than that I am assuming some of the AoG bandwagon including LSU, / and safari (again). I'd also like to hear from LSU seeing as he is in the unknown group, though I don't think he's back from his honey moon yet.

[spiesr]

Going down the list and looking back I see safariguy as the best candidate for the next lynch. I know that he has claimed to be Barnes affiliated, yet I feel some doubt about this.

I have was not told who or how many people are allied with me.

That's really wierd if that is a mechanic of the game. It would make sense for Barnes and Elias to know the identities of all of their supporters and also for their supporters to not know anyone but Elias or Barnes, but doesn't make a lot of sense vice versa. While I still feel like Mandy costing us a townie was bad, I'm more concerned about this whole spiesr versus talapus thing. For now, I'll unvote

What he says he has some potential issues. Why is he confused about how knowledge within the town factions works? If he is who he says he is shouldn't he have a decent idea of how much the faction members know about their fellow members?

In my opinion he also seemed, now potentially suspiciously, somewhat reluctant to lynch talapus. Scum buddy perhaps? He seemed rather attached to the idea of the easy lynch on mandorlian, only switching away from that on the same page as the day kill. Even then, he doesn't show any real animosity towards talapus, just says that me vs talapus was taking over from the mandorlian case.

[nagerous]

where is everyone? I'll send out some prods, disappointed by the lack of activity recently .

[safariguy5]

Going down the list and looking back I see safariguy as the best candidate for the next lynch. I know that he has claimed to be Barnes affiliated, yet I feel some doubt about this.

I have was not told who or how many people are allied with me.

That's really wierd if that is a mechanic of the game. It would make sense for Barnes and Elias to know the identities of all of their supporters and also for their supporters to not know anyone but Elias or Barnes, but doesn't make a lot of sense vice versa. While I still feel like Mandy costing us a townie was bad, I'm more concerned about this whole spiesr versus talapus thing. For now, I'll unvote

What he says he has some potential issues. Why is he confused about how knowledge within the town factions works? If he is who he says he is shouldn't he have a decent idea of how much the faction members know about their fellow members?

In my opinion he also seemed, now potentially suspiciously, somewhat reluctant to lynch talapus. Scum buddy perhaps? He seemed rather attached to the idea of the easy lynch on mandorlian, only switching away from that on the same page as the day kill. Even then, he doesn't show any real animosity towards talapus, just says that me vs talapus was taking over from the mandorlian case.

I'm just saying that if there is a certain mason/cult dynamic to the town factions, even if the members don't know who each other is, the leader should know who everybody is. Incidentally, I'm Private Junior, allied with Barnes. I also happen to know the identity of Barnes, although obviously it wouldn't be prudent to reveal who that is now.

[pancakemix]

fos safari and panckamix. I don't see it worth hiding anymore but I am as many of you are probably already assuming barnes aligned. Anyways the relevance here is assuming that eachb town faction has an even number that should leave room for 4 VC barnes and elias and 4 allied townies with possible. So with two barnes aligned townies killed plus me that leaves room for only one other unknown barnes ally. Seeing as pancake was obviously against spiesr day 1 before we knew he was elias and reviewing showing that safari is not a very likely elias aligned it seems very possible that at least one of them is vc.

You assumed too much about me when you wrote this. One of my main mafia rules is this: never openly affiliate with anyone unless under duress. This game is no different (as my actions will attest), but given the current situation, I feel a claim is in order. I am Private Rhah, Elias allied.