Clan Wars Rankings Ladder - 2 Year Weighted RPI

[TheMissionary]

I look at the league, just like I look at any league from any sport. You play to win, and the ones who win the championship each season are the top clan until the next season. It shouldn't be calculated into the ladder. There should be a separate system for each. Make the clan challenge ladder more based on challenges that help kind of see how the league might play out each season. Kind of like exhibition games.

[Blitzaholic]

I look at the league, just like I look at any league from any sport. You play to win, and the ones who win the championship each season are the top clan until the next season. It shouldn't be calculated into the ladder. There should be a separate system for each. Make the clan challenge ladder more based on challenges that help kind of see how the league might play out each season. Kind of like exhibition games.

exactly, TheMissionary, you are 100% on target here, I suggested this already that they should be separate as clan seasons are a format of 8 forced games against one clan and some clans can manipulate this by saving up some of their better players for stronger competition of other clans, so these little small samples of 8 games (while being over 100 games total against like 10 different clans) is no where in the same ball park as playing a clan challenge of say 80 games against one clan with negotiations. This is where the DEPTH of a clan plays more of a factor, then a small portion of players on a small set of clan season games. Take Fat mermaids for example, they have some strong players, if they knew they were going to play Thota in week 3 of clan season, they could save up there games and play their strongest players against us in those 8 games and could beat us, as where you take a clan challenge of 80 games and all in the total clan have to participate, well, it shows the depth and filters out more of the luck factor.

Playing one clan 80 games as opposed to 8 (it is 10X stronger). My last thing I suggested is no clan should get penalized or hindered from winning strong clan challenges longer than 2 years ago, those were important then and should have impact on the ladder. So the birth of each clan, all clan challenges should be factored in, so, some clan will have 9 clan challenges completed, others 5, some 3, whatever, they all should be counted if they are 40 games or more, some like myself are suggesting all new clan challenges from here on forward should be 60 games minimum, but, the ones that were already 40 games in the past, would be grandfathered in and all clan challenges would count as long as JP can verify the win-loss record for them for accuracy. I suggest JP factor this in as a mock trial to himself and see where the results lie from this experiment.

2 fold

1. separate the clan season/cup tourney formats from the clan challenges.
2. count all clan challenges for all the years if there is threads to show the measurable outcomes and JP can verify them and meet the 40 game minimum requirement, hoping to be 60 soon.


the last option, which , I don't like as much , but will throw out as an idea, is to count the clan seasons but their value on a much lower scale, so for example a clan challenge of 80 games counts from 1 to 100 as 100%, and a clan season match up of 8 games would count from 1 to 100 around 10%. I am not sure about this, but, maybe something like that. I really rather have them separated and use only clan challenges of 60+ games count towards the ladder only. The clan season can be viewed like pro bowls, you get respected and great awards but this is separate from the season and post season if anyone knows football, usa football that is, not soccer.

[Namor]

This has probably already been suggested and thrown out;

How about a simple league that's calculated on the results only (ie. points are simply wins-loses), but when each challenge begins, the higher clan starts with a golfing type handicap that's based purely on the two clans current positions in the league at the time.

[waseemalim]

exactly, TheMissionary, you are 100% on target here, I suggested this already that they should be separate as clan seasons are a format of 8 forced games against one clan and some clans can manipulate this by saving up some of their better players for stronger competition of other clans, so these little small samples of 8 games (while being over 100 games total against like 10 different clans) is no where in the same ball park as playing a clan challenge of say 80 games against one clan with negotiations. This is where the DEPTH of a clan plays more of a factor, then a small portion of players on a small set of clan season games. Take Fat mermaids for example, they have some strong players, if they knew they were going to play Thota in week 3 of clan season, they could save up there games and play their strongest players against us in those 8 games and could beat us, as where you take a clan challenge of 80 games and all in the total clan have to participate, well, it shows the depth and filters out more of the luck factor.

Of course the league was "manipulated" because THOTA performed so poorly. And of course the league should have a less weight, because its so insignificant to THOTA that they didn't feel like putting the best foot forward. Saving up games is a good strategy too -- the question really is why the hell did THOTA not save up its games as well? Everyone plays within the same rules blitz.

With the exception of BpB in the semis, I find no basis for your so called "manipulation". I'd like you to point me to any clan in the top 4 of Division 1 who has concentrated their play on their top 5 players during the regular season. Just because its theoretically possible, doesn't mean that people do it. People have better things to do than play in 70 games for the sake of winning an online league.

Frankly, I find your attitude of trivializing things that you are not good at sickening. We KNOW THOTA is a good clan, what you guys have achieved over the last 2-3 years is very commendable. But do you really need to stroke your ego continuously?

[jpcloet]

THOTA is no1 until someone(not necessary TOFU) beats them. period. end of discussion.

and true ladder? here it is:
1. THOTA - 1.17 - 0.38
2. TSM - 2.47 - 2.04
2. TOFU - 3.78 - 1.17
3. EMPIRE - 4.67 - 1.85
4. IA - 4.78 - 1.44
5. Low - 6.44 - 2.23
6. KORT - 6.72 - 2.52
7. ID - 7.50 - 2.66
8. Nemesis - 10.28 - 3.44
9. BSS - 11.22 - 2.84
10. The Legion - 11.28 - 3.36
11. G1 - 11.61 - 3.42
12. O&H - 12.11 - 2.81
13. AoC - 13.72 - 3.61
14. Mythology - 14.61 - 3.09
15. DD - 15.17 - 3.42
15. BotFM - 15.33 - 3.58
16. L4D - 15.67 - 2.79
17. DVDLL - 15.89 - 2.73
18. EE - 17.50 - 2.04
19. LotZ - 18.72 - 2.19

voted mostly by clan leaders and lads who knows what a hell they are talking(with exception of me and maybe Luba if Empire let him vote...). all those formulas jp finds are funny and exciting, but game can not be measured through statistics...

ps. i agree with blitz!!! TOFU is nothing but bunch of low life losers who paid jp(some male strippers were involved, Dakos personal escort if word is right) so they can feel good about themselves even thou they all have small "penetration tools"(and yes, i mean drillers for oil which price will go rocket high again... oil price, not drillers price...)

You missed AOD lol.

[Blitzaholic]

exactly, TheMissionary, you are 100% on target here, I suggested this already that they should be separate as clan seasons are a format of 8 forced games against one clan and some clans can manipulate this by saving up some of their better players for stronger competition of other clans, so these little small samples of 8 games (while being over 100 games total against like 10 different clans) is no where in the same ball park as playing a clan challenge of say 80 games against one clan with negotiations. This is where the DEPTH of a clan plays more of a factor, then a small portion of players on a small set of clan season games. Take Fat mermaids for example, they have some strong players, if they knew they were going to play Thota in week 3 of clan season, they could save up there games and play their strongest players against us in those 8 games and could beat us, as where you take a clan challenge of 80 games and all in the total clan have to participate, well, it shows the depth and filters out more of the luck factor.

Of course the league was "manipulated" because THOTA performed so poorly. And of course the league should have a less weight, because its so insignificant to THOTA that they didn't feel like putting the best foot forward. Saving up games is a good strategy too -- the question really is why the hell did THOTA not save up its games as well? Everyone plays within the same rules blitz.

With the exception of BpB in the semis, I find no basis for your so called "manipulation". I'd like you to point me to any clan in the top 4 of Division 1 who has concentrated their play on their top 5 players during the regular season. Just because its theoretically possible, doesn't mean that people do it. People have better things to do than play in 70 games for the sake of winning an online league.

Frankly, I find your attitude of trivializing things that you are not good at sickening. We KNOW THOTA is a good clan, what you guys have achieved over the last 2-3 years is very commendable. But do you really need to stroke your ego continuously?

I used the manipulation word as an example, I did not say it was done, I was suggesting it could be done and playing a clan 8 games vs the same clan 80 games is no where near the same ball park wass. It is not ego stroking, it is the facts. Did you forget we were clan season 1 champions? I do not want that counted either and be separated from clan challenges and the ladder. I suggested this long ago, you just do not know about it. This is not something new I just made up. Just as I suggested not limiting clan challenges to last 2 years only, but, factor in all the years as long as they can be verified and meet the requirements.

The ladder more than anything wants to show and demonstrate skill, and more games against the same clan, the better to match this conception. If many feel strongly about the clan season, I suggest they are more games than 8 or even 16 as they are too small a sample against one clan, and if not, then separate them and have 2 ladders, one for clan challenges and one for clan seasons.

[Fruitcake]

.....But do you really need to stroke your ego continuously?

ahhh...the rhetorical question.

[jcstriker]

this ranking system has become a joke, im sorry but its a joke,
the minute thota dropped to 3rd place without losing a clan war it became a joke.
the minute legion was named 18th i never laughed so hard in my life
this ranking system is a big FAIL.

[jpcloet]

The 2 clans you mentioned were affected by season 2. Remind me where legion ended up again?

[Lubawski]

The 2 clans you mentioned were affected by season 2. Remind me where legion ended up again?

So one bad showing in a league drops a clan who has proven themselves in large challenges? Since when do 8 game snapshots indicate a clan's strength. The league has been a shitty set up two years running. Can't wait for round 3 when the masses opinions are ignored again. And look at the teams above Legion. ID is ranked 6th? They did poor in Season 2 as well, and more importantly their win-loss record in challenges is poor. Legion are 9-4, ID 2-4 according to the post. So 7 more wins in actual challenges is weighted less than a few extra wins in the league? Bull shit. f*ck the ladder. That is the most ridiculous looking thing yet. If your intention was to show how shitty an RPI looks when you skew the results by over-valuing bullshit like individual game win% and undervaluing things like the actual win, then you succeeded.

Here's the ratio that will yield the best results: 55% whether you won or lost 35% opponents strength (at time of challenge) 10% individual game win percentage.

[grifftron]

this ranking system has become a joke, im sorry but its a joke,
the minute thota dropped to 3rd place without losing a clan war it became a joke.
the minute legion was named 18th i never laughed so hard in my life
this ranking system is a big FAIL.

I agree with jc here, I know you all have the drama on why THOTA is 3rd which i don't agree with either as they have never lost a challenge, but why is Memento Mori below any of those clans in that class, they should be at top, better win %, more games won, more challenges won and more challenges played!

-griff

[reptile]

ok for the love of god.... for all of you that want to argue about the CLA League not meaning shit or should be weighed so much less because they are 8 game challenges basically.... LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE!!!! there is not A SINGLE CLAN THAT WE PLAYED LESS THAN 16 games against... not 8!!!! Nor anyone else for that matter ... at least in division 1.

Oh and guess what else, if you do good in the 100+ games (not 8 ) then you get more than 16 games against the better clans (or those that did better as well)... Surprise!!!

Of course clans like THOTA want the league not to matter as much, because it is MORE THAN OBVIOUS (looking at however the hell ID is ranked higher than LoW) that the strength of schedule for clan challenges is FAR more important (some-how) than the end result... whatever it may be. There fore THOTA can hide at #1 and wait for a team to be ranked in the top 3 before they even get a shot at THOTA in a challenge. Therefore no matter the result they can't fall all that far. A loss to a higher ranked clan is much better than destroying a lower ranked clan. I am not necessarily arguing that point, just pointing out that that is the reasoning behind the higher ranked clans not wanting the CLA to matter. Otherwise they would be forced to play against the lower ranked clans more often, and heaven forbid if they lose.

I think THOTA prob should be #1, but at the same time i can't blame any ladder that drops them because if they can not hold their own against all clans in the CLA (not individually, but collectively. - because that is what the CLA is, not only mini challenges but a big huge season... no not exhibition...SEASON!!! that is why they call the end PLAYOFFS!!!). But i dont know who i would put above them right now, so that is why i would still have them #1. FYI all you Horsemen, i am not attacking THOTA, just using you guys as an example (obviously you finished 1st last year).

Is everyone so biast and un-fair just to keep their clan ranked higher by saying that a challenge of 40 games should weigh much more than a Season of over 100 games just because they can not do as well unless they can make all the settings fit their clan? The point of the CLA is to see how well rounded clans are against as many other clans as possible. I know a few of our challenges, we ended up playing basically the entire challenge based on the other clans preferences which were complete bull in some cases. Now how can you say that is fair? the CLA has preset rules, if you think you are good enough then you should play and do well. If you are worried about your little clan ranking falling, then dont participate.

And whoever said that the CLA League was run poorly and was saying the ladder was crap ... i have a question... what are you still doing in the CLA then? i disagree with the ladder, but love the CLA League because it lets all clans have an equal chance at each other instead of just hiding behind their ranking.

[Dai_atan]

Is everyone so biast and un-fair just to keep their clan ranked higher by saying that a challenge of 40 games should weigh much more than a Season of over 100 games just because they can not do as well unless they can make all the settings fit their clan? The point of the CLA is to see how well rounded clans are against as many other clans as possible. I know a few of our challenges, we ended up playing basically the entire challenge based on the other clans preferences which were complete bull in some cases. Now how can you say that is fair? the CLA has preset rules, if you think you are good enough then you should play and do well. If you are worried about your little clan ranking falling, then dont participate.

If you're silly enough to set up games that allow for your opponent to decide the majority of the maps you deserve your loss

And whoever said that the CLA League was run poorly and was saying the ladder was crap ... i have a question... what are you still doing in the CLA then? i disagree with the ladder, but love the CLA League because it lets all clans have an equal chance at each other instead of just hiding behind their ranking.

Actually you're wrong, it does't give every clan equal footing, it is split up into divisions, which is one of the reasons the Ladder suffers because the divisions are supposed to represent skill levels of the clans playing in them and therefore mean that the guys who do the ladder weight their results differently.

For the CLA to give everyone an equal opportunity it would need to be an open format that meant every team competing, no matter what division would play in one large pool.

And just from my PoV you're a bit of an ass for saying "If you don't like it then don't compete." People have a right to dissent and express their opinions, if you want to tell people "AGREE WITH ME OR GET OUT!" then you're a bigoted fool.

[reptile]

If you're silly enough to set up games that allow for your opponent to decide the majority of the maps you deserve your loss

Maps... when did i say anything about maps. I said preferences and/or settings!!! lol big difference. And there are clans out there that wont even accept a challenge unless everything is done by their rules. i will not mention any names, however if you have not experienced this then i won't fault you for not understanding.

Actually you're wrong, it does't give every clan equal footing, it is split up into divisions, which is one of the reasons the Ladder suffers because the divisions are supposed to represent skill levels of the clans playing in them and therefore mean that the guys who do the ladder weight their results differently.

For the CLA to give everyone an equal opportunity it would need to be an open format that meant every team competing, no matter what division would play in one large pool.

I hate spelling things out, but sometimes you just have to The CLA League gives everyone an equal footing more than any challenge does is what i am saying. Otherwise try and talk THOTA into accepting a challenge from anyone that is not in the top 5 clans (I am sure there are more clans, but just to use them as an example). Look into it and you will find that LoW was thrown on the floor like a dust rug for accepting a challenge from a clan that might not have deserved to play a top clan... is that what an "equal playing field" is to you dai-atan?

And just from my PoV you're a bit of an ass for saying "If you don't like it then don't compete." People have a right to dissent and express their opinions, if you want to tell people "AGREE WITH ME OR GET OUT!" then you're a bigoted fool.

I am not saying that by any means Dai_atan lmao have you not been reading anything here and just been playing with the crayolas on the keyboard again? If you read my posts here i am actually arguing the ladder, but thanking jpcloet for his time and effort into it. Likewise i am saying that i like the CLA League and think it is enjoyable. And how can i say "agree with me or get out" when i am not even a CLA rep let alone run the thing LMFAO again!!!! Quite frankly, i dont care if you think i am an ass, but just to set the record straight... the feeling is mutual. Strange how you would pick me out of everyone and think that i am saying something even close or similar to that.

Also, i may be a bigoted fool as you put it, but at least i dont change around what ppl say just for the hell of it and then call them names. but while we are at it....

By my previous post i was merely trying to point out that i have read ppl's posts so many times about 8 game challenges in the CLA when the absolute minimum for division 1 anyway is twice that. also wanted to mention why ppl want to keep the cla to no weight compared to a clan challenge is bull. (keeps them ranked where they are.. not because of their performance specifically, but more so because it allows for only top clans to play top clans ... therefor not falling or falling minimally on the ladder ... its like limit holdem... what is the point when you have no limit hold em. I better clarify that before it gets switched around though.. not that someone should fall to last place if they lose, just that there should be an opportunity for other clans to be ABLE to move up in other ways than only thru challenges set to specific preferences. My previous post was not to attack anyone in particular, just to make a few simple points clear that ppl dont seem to grasp. if anyone was offended other than this dai_atan guy then i apologize. It is a privileged to be attacked like that from someone who has so few posts though...

Oh, and by the way, am i allowed to express my opinions Dai_Atan? what if i highlight mine in red? ... or is that too much?

[Dai_atan]

If you're silly enough to set up games that allow for your opponent to decide the majority of the maps you deserve your loss

Maps... when did i say anything about maps. I said preferences and/or settings!!! lol big difference. And there are clans out there that wont even accept a challenge unless everything is done by their rules. i will not mention any names, however if you have not experienced this then i won't fault you for not understanding.

Maps/preferences/Settings... apart from Freestyle, Manual and Nuclear, most clans will let you pick your own settings, if they aren't then don't vs them.

Actually you're wrong, it doesn't give every clan equal footing, it is split up into divisions, which is one of the reasons the Ladder suffers because the divisions are supposed to represent skill levels of the clans playing in them and therefore mean that the guys who do the ladder weight their results differently.

For the CLA to give everyone an equal opportunity it would need to be an open format that meant every team competing, no matter what division would play in one large pool.

I hate spelling things out, but sometimes you just have to The CLA League gives everyone an equal footing more than any challenge does is what i am saying. Otherwise try and talk THOTA into accepting a challenge from anyone that is not in the top 5 clans (I am sure there are more clans, but just to use them as an example). Look into it and you will find that LoW was thrown on the floor like a dust rug for accepting a challenge from a clan that might not have deserved to play a top clan... is that what an "equal playing field" is to you dai-atan?

No you're wrong still. You can't have more of an equal footing if it is not actually equal. In the same way that there is no such thing as a bigger half.
I know what you meant but as I said it would never truly be equal unless there are not Separate divisions.

If you want to use mathematical terms in a statement you better know what they mean. Equal means the equivalent. In the same way 1+2 doesnt equal 4, your statement does not add up.

And just from my PoV you're a bit of an ass for saying "If you don't like it then don't compete." People have a right to dissent and express their opinions, if you want to tell people "AGREE WITH ME OR GET OUT!" then you're a bigoted fool.

I am not saying that by any means Dai_atan lmao have you not been reading anything here and just been playing with the crayolas on the keyboard again? If you read my posts here i am actually arguing the ladder, but thanking jpcloet for his time and effort into it. Likewise i am saying that i like the CLA League and think it is enjoyable. And how can i say "agree with me or get out" when i am not even a CLA rep let alone run the thing LMFAO again!!!! Quite frankly, i dont care if you think i am an ass, but just to set the record straight... the feeling is mutual. Strange how you would pick me out of everyone and think that i am saying something even close or similar to that.

I don't care what side of the argument you're on, I take issue with your attitude towards the other posters whom were simply expressing themselves.
Still, okay I'll Quote your exact words...

If you are worried about your little clan ranking falling, then dont participate.

and

i have a question... what are you still doing in the CLA then?

Both of these statements led me to believe your argument was that if people don't like it they shouldn't be here, but since you don't seem to type what you really mean but more throw words out and see what happens I'll accept that this isn't what you intended to say.

Also, i may be a bigoted fool as you put it, but at least i dont change around what ppl say just for the hell of it and then call them names. but while we are at it....

I never changed around what you said, I merely attempted to discern your remarks by the standards of the English language. Though by the way I quoted every piece of text I was responding to, how is that twisting your words?

By my previous post i was merely trying to point out that i have read ppl's posts so many times about 8 game challenges in the CLA when the absolute minimum for division 1 anyway is twice that. also wanted to mention why ppl want to keep the cla to no weight compared to a clan challenge is bull.

It is not bull for people to want to see the ladder based more on wars which all challengers take seriously rather than a weekly cacophony that most players don't keep up with, it is just a matter of preference.

(keeps them ranked where they are.. not because of their performance specifically, but more so because it allows for only top clans to play top clans ... therefor not falling or falling minimally on the ladder ... its like limit holdem... what is the point when you have no limit hold em. I better clarify that before it gets switched around though.. not that someone should fall to last place if they lose, just that there should be an opportunity for other clans to be ABLE to move up in other ways than only thru challenges set to specific preferences. My previous post was not to attack anyone in particular, just to make a few simple points clear that ppl dont seem to grasp. if anyone was offended other than this dai_atan guy then i apologize. It is a privileged to be attacked like that from someone who has so few posts though...

Yes, Forgive me for not spamming. When I post I post substance.

Oh, and by the way, am i allowed to express my opinions Dai_Atan? what if i highlight mine in red? ... or is that too much?

nope.

[Incandenza]

The 2 clans you mentioned were affected by season 2. Remind me where legion ended up again?

Pray tell, what sort of bump did the clan with the best record against the stiffest competition get? Oh, a completely negligible one? Maybe LoW would've been better off massacring Division 2. (sorry, Si, not a shot at you or your non-meat-based fellowship)

Look, it's not that I have a problem with including the league in the ladder. But it seems to be so randomly applied as to be basically nonsensical (beyond all the other issues with clan placement). Besides, there's a big difference between "including the league in the ladder" and "the league weighs far more than an equivalent challenge game load".

[jcstriker]

so being in division 2 in the league and versing bunny teams is gold, ok got it so glad we not in division 1 then next season yay

[freakns]

THOTA is no1 until someone(not necessary TOFU) beats them. period. end of discussion.

and true ladder? here it is:
1. THOTA - 1.17 - 0.38
2. TSM - 2.47 - 2.04
2. TOFU - 3.78 - 1.17
3. EMPIRE - 4.67 - 1.85
4. IA - 4.78 - 1.44
5. Low - 6.44 - 2.23
6. KORT - 6.72 - 2.52
7. ID - 7.50 - 2.66
8. Nemesis - 10.28 - 3.44
9. BSS - 11.22 - 2.84
10. The Legion - 11.28 - 3.36
11. G1 - 11.61 - 3.42
12. O&H - 12.11 - 2.81
13. AoC - 13.72 - 3.61
14. Mythology - 14.61 - 3.09
15. DD - 15.17 - 3.42
15. BotFM - 15.33 - 3.58
16. L4D - 15.67 - 2.79
17. DVDLL - 15.89 - 2.73
18. EE - 17.50 - 2.04
19. LotZ - 18.72 - 2.19

voted mostly by clan leaders and lads who knows what a hell they are talking(with exception of me and maybe Luba if Empire let him vote...). all those formulas jp finds are funny and exciting, but game can not be measured through statistics...

ps. i agree with blitz!!! TOFU is nothing but bunch of low life losers who paid jp(some male strippers were involved, Dakos personal escort if word is right) so they can feel good about themselves even thou they all have small "penetration tools"(and yes, i mean drillers for oil which price will go rocket high again... oil price, not drillers price...)

I guess the clan league stood for complete shit then

you may guess whatever you want... those are results of what clan leaders think of you. well, not you actually, as you havent entered the contest... but outside of you and AoD all other clans are in...
other then that, i agree with you. clan league is most important contest. and considering that, i am one of the best players on this site. by far better then CoF for example. should i mention how well did i score against BPB? or how whole Nemesis went against BPB for that matter...

[Dako]

Yes, please. This is a bragging topic, please go ahead and tell us your underrated stripper story :P.

[freakns]

Yes, please. This is a bragging topic, please go ahead and tell us your underrated stripper story .

it all started one lonely saturday night... i have just finished raping BPB for 4th time in a row, and decided to take a walk. my phone rang. ive answered, it was unfamiliar voice with heavy Russian accent offering me huge amount of money. firstly, i was skeptic. i mean, out of nowhere someone is calling me, offering me 10K euros per night for easy work. why me? why not offering it to someone else? then explanation came out. he told me most of his clients are heavy CC players whod like nothing more but to watch striptease from someone who just stripped them on battlefield. so, naturally, i agree to try it out.
my first show was easy one. i have installed web cam and open skype acc(some of you might know me as CCQueen) and waited for my first client. it was some american, his nickname was Big Drink Small Brain Horseman. not sure who is that on CC, but i have my doubts... anyhow, he asked me to go on all four and wriggle my behind infront of camera... from his side ive heard grumbling sounds and something like "yeah, wait for me to jump onto you... you little pony..." crazy shit... unfortunately, i havent receive any payment for this as Da-Ko(name of my employee, again i have my doubts who is that from CC, but cant put my finger...) explained he needed that money to pay up for skype acc... and it went like that... ive received strange request from numerous clients(like some guy called Fruitcock, he asked me to attack Greenland from China, saying "those little bastards are everywhere, im sure they can attack Greenalnd... then went off when i start saying how he got all 6s while defending Greenland from Chineese attack...")... anyhow, after receiving no money at all for my stripping services i decided to take the matter in my own hands and told Da-Ko i will not work anymore if i dont get any money... he agree it is only right and told me to go visit his business partner in Hong Kong who is guarding my bank account... i went to Hong kong hoping i will finally get my money... escort waited me on airport and escorted my to their boss club called The Orient Flying Union, telling me its a club for gentleman to relax... friendly face welcome me, and introduce him self as Chariot of Ice(again, i think its someone from CC...) and gave me a drink. and to cut long story short, after that drink i fainted, got into some lazy bordel in Mexico and now im nothing but cheap whore for guys calling themself Chuck(although he was gently, but doesnt understand my current employee Lx is not looking friendly on love letters i got from him...)

sad story, indeed

[Dai_atan]

it all started one lonely saturday night... i have just finished raping BPR for 4th time in a row, and decided to take a walk. my phone rang. ive answered, it was unfamiliar voice with heavy Russian accent offering me huge amount of money. firstly, i was skeptic. i mean, out of nowhere someone is calling me, offering me 10K euros per night for easy work. why me? why not offering it to someone else? then explanation came out. he told me most of his clients are heavy CC players whod like nothing more but to watch striptease from someone who just stripped them on battlefield. so, naturally, i agree to try it out.
my first show was easy one. i have installed web cam and open skype acc(some of you might know me as CCQueen) and waited for my first client. it was some american, his nickname was Big Drink Small Brain Horseman. not sure who is that on CC, but i have my doubts... anyhow, he asked me to go on all four and wriggle my behind infront of camera... from his side ive heard grumbling sounds and something like "yeah, wait for me to jump onto you... you little pony..." crazy shit... unfortunately, i havent receive any payment for this as Da-Ko(name of my employee, again i have my doubts who is that from CC, but cant put my finger...) explained he needed that money to pay up for skype acc... and it went like that... ive received strange request from numerous clients(like some guy called Fruitcock, he asked me to attack Greenland from China, saying "those little bastards are everywhere, im sure they can attack Greenalnd... then went off when i start saying how he got all 6s while defending Greenland from Chineese attack...")... anyhow, after receiving no money at all for my stripping services i decided to take the matter in my own hands and told Da-Ko i will not work anymore if i dont get any money... he agree it is only right and told me to go visit his business partner in Hong Kong who is guarding my bank account... i went to Hong kong hoping i will finally get my money... escort waited me on airport and escorted my to their boss club called The Orient Flying Union, telling me its a club for gentleman to relax... friendly face welcome me, and introduce him self as Chariot of Ice(again, i think its someone from CC...) and gave me a drink. and to cut long story short, after that drink i fainted, got into some lazy bordel in Mexico and now im nothing but cheap whore for guys calling themself Chuck(although he was gently, but doesnt understand my current employee Lx is not looking friendly on love letters i got from him...)

sad story, indeed

You make this site more enjoyable for me. Just wanted you to know that

[Dako]

Oh my, that is NSFW - I was barely able not to laugh after that. *applause*

[khazalid]

you sure have an 'active' imagination freakns

[TheBro]

Why does anyone care about the ladder? I mean really, it's an unofficial ladder put together by one guy nobody here even knows. Who gives two shits? I don't mean to rag on JP, because obv a lot of you fellows like the idea of a ladder, but of course it will never be unanimous.

You're all number one in my book.

But especially you Blitzy, because I think you need this ego boost... Mainly because we're on top of you in the ladder, sucker!)

[Chariot of Fire]

Without the ladder we wouldn't have had freakns most excellent post

I laughed so hard I fell off the back of my butler.