Napoleonic Europe 1812 - Ver 41/44 [Quenched]

[ender516]

updated versions with army circles

I don't like... too opaque. Makes it look like the map is full of holes... or like someone had went at it with an eraser.

Nooooo Natty, that's just to help Ender inserting the army numbers

Thanks for these versions. I will check the coordinates as soon as I deal with the Illyria override. I haven't had time to think that through yet, and I'm afraid there may be a lot of special cases to deal with. Hmm, I have a germ of an idea as I am typing. I'll sort this out soon.

[Kabanellas]

Thank you for the spelling correction. We will deal with it.

As to the legibility of the legends on the small map, I think the writing and symbols are very clear and legible, despite the fact that they are small.

Well - I don't think that they are... the script - especially in the bottom right hand legend is hard to read on the small map.

C.

Soooooooo - that'll be another of my comments that you've ignored.

C.

I didn't

but I agree with Rask there

[ender516]

So okay, let's itemize all these:

1. The Poland bonus overrides the Warsaw w/Prussia bonus. YES
2. The Confederation of the Rhine overrides the Saxony and Hessen w/Prussia bonus. YES
3. The Poland bonus also overrides the Krakow w/Austrian Empire bonus. YES
4. The Gibraltar and Malta bonuses with the United Kingdom do not participate in any other bonuses, so we have nothing to override there. YES
5. The same is true of the Orient w/Ottoman Empire bonus, but ... YES
6. the Russian Empire bonus overrides the Bessarabia w/Ottoman Empire bonus. ie if the Russian Empire and Ottoman Empire are held by the same player, Bessarabia is part only of the Russian Empire bonus and does not give an additional one for the Ottoman Empire: YES
7. The France bonus should override the Rome and Piedmont w/Kingdom of Naples and Sicily bonus. ie the Empire bonus. France bonus is limited to original France. If a player owns France, Rome, Piedmont and K of N and S, he will get the Empire bonus for Rome and Piedmont, as well as the normal K of N and S bonus, but not the exta bonus K of N and S would get if it would control Rome and Piedmont: YES.

Does that cover everything?

EDIT: I would say it does, except that Illyria can contribute to L'Empire as well as to the Illyria w/Austrian Empire bonus. How do you want to break that down? Same as 7. The Empire bonus overrides the Austria with Illyria bonus. So: if a player owns France, Rome, Illyria and the Austrian Empire, he will get the French bonus, the Empire bonus for Rome and Illyria, the Austiran bonus, but not the Illyrian bonus that would be given to someone controlling just the Austrian Empire.

Thank you!

Our phrasing may be a little different , but I think we are on the same page with number 7.
Just to be clear about Illyria: If a player holds France, Belgium, Holland and the Austrian Empire, the bonus is 5 for France, plus 1 for 2 regions of L'Empire, plus 4 for Austrian Empire, for a total of 10. If the player then takes Illyria, is the total the same because the L'Empire bonus is still 1 for 3 regions, and the Illyria w/ Austrian Empire bonus is overridden?

EDIT: Well, presuming the answer to that last question is yes, I hereby present

Napoleonic_Europe_V1.0.xml

I think it is as correct as we could hope for right now, but when I try to play it in the XML Wizard, very strange things happen. I will look at this further and be in touch with chipv if need be.

By the way, on the large map with the solid white ovals, Boulogne, St. Vincent, and Copenhagen are missing their labels. The image in the first post seems okay, so I hope that when the labels were lost, nothing else moved.

[Raskholnikov]

The answer is Yes!

wow that looks .... amazing! Thank you for doing this!

R

[Kabanellas]

Great work Ender!!!!

I'll insert the XML in the first page and test it a bit

[Raskholnikov]

how? can i join?

[Kabanellas]

you need to go to this link: http://www.conquerclub.com/mapmaker/index.php

and insert the xml and the map files

[Kabanellas]

last files:


XML - http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/11/9/2644838/Napoleonic_Europe_V1.0.xml
Large map - http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Kabanellas/NapoleonicEurope_V34_Image.png
Small map - http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Kabanellas/NapoleonicEurope_V34_Image_small.png

[Kabanellas]

from what I could test in the small map, much of them need to be taken down a pixel and moved to the right another pixel

(don't mind the SW circle I've just moved it for the next update)

Click image to enlarge.

[Kabanellas]

Changes for the SMALL map:

-all Sea battle numbers need to go down 1 pixel and need to be moved to the right another pixel

also - 1 pixel down and 1 pixel to the right:

-Oporto
-Aquitaine
-Gibraltar
-Rome
-Illyria
-Italy
-Wales
-Sardinia
-Malta
-Bavaria
-Hollande
-Norway
-Malmo
-Warsaw
-Galicia
-Hungary
-Vienna
-Istambul
-Anatolia
-Palestine
-Crimea
-Odessa
-Borodino
-Moscow

there are some numbers that will require different directions but I just don't have the time atm to check them all

[ender516]

I suspect that this systemic skew is an artifact of the XML Wizard, a marvelous tool overall. There has been some discussion in the tool's thread about the placement of numbers, and while using it, you can see a shift as the numbers change colour. Still, I wouldn't want to do this work without it. I can do a bulk shift down and to the right of all small map coordinates as a first step, then we can recheck. The few that Kabanellas think need different shifts can be isolated and corrected on the next pass.

[Kabanellas]

Ok, sounds good! We'll deal with the remainder after that first pass.

I'll take a look at the large map now

[Kabanellas]

Ender, you can repeat the same drill for the large map too

[ender516]

Yes, I suppose I should have expected that. I will let you know when I have a new version.

[ender516]

Okay, here is a new version with every coordinate moved one down and one to the right: Napoleonic_Europe_V1.1.xml

[Raskholnikov]

looks great to me! thanks!

[Industrial Helix]

Wow... looking at the small map I'm glad I play large map style.

[MrBenn]

I haven't checked in here for a while... at some point I think the "uniqueness" has been lost on this map...

[Kabanellas]

could there be a Napoleonic map without Europe?

Click image to enlarge.

[Kabanellas]

Okay, here is a new version with every coordinate moved one down and one to the right: Napoleonic_Europe_V1.1.xml

Thanks Ender, I'll test it tomorrow.

[Raskholnikov]

I haven't checked in here for a while... at some point I think the "uniqueness" has been lost on this map...

Was that before or after your "unique" attempt at a modern Europe map and gameplay?

[the.killing.44]

He made Europa before any of those maps, so after.

Also, your small map is a straight up clusterfuck of text and outer glow.

[Raskholnikov]

We already know you totally disapprove of this map's "artistic direction". Any constructive comments?

[Kabanellas]

Killing, I’m so glad that there are a lot of other people with a different opinion from yours. They’re the reason for me to keep hanging here in the foundry, spending my time and dedication.

FYI.This is probably one of the best maps i've seen come through the foundry in the past couple years. It's georgous, creative, and unique. I really hope that you both stick with it. Please. If it reaches beta, the other 99% of conquer club who don't visit the map foundry will be blown away, and you will be a celebrity around here

I'd say this should be at main foundry already... the graphics are amazing...

This is the most excited I've been about a map in a long time. Beautiful artwork so far.

This map is hot shit. Well done gentlemen.

Great work! Looking forward to it!

Ah this looks great. I'm so excited to play it!

...the graphics are awesome!

Just taken my first look at this map and looking forward to it immensely, it is a fine piece of work.

Hey!! This map looks fantastic, it's going to be a splendid addition to our embarrassment of riches here.

I can't wait to play this map...

This map is wonderful, and a brilliant adaptation of a large number of epic historical events.
(...) Again, excellent work and I can't wait to play it.

This map looks great! Fast-track-it, lol!

just great
I must say it

I can't believe this map isn't forged yet. It's georgous.

The graphics look really nice. This is one masterpiece of a map...

[natty dread]

Yay, I got quoted twice!