Another FARMING thread

[MrMoody]

CC does not want restriction by rank. This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower then major.

No sir, that's not even remotely true, as has been WELL DOCUMENTED in the various anti-farming/pro-rank-restriction threads. There are many ways (one in particular is PERFECT) to limit ranks without making it so that the very top can only play with the very top.

Sadly, this site WANTS to have their cake and be able to eat it too...and they're losing members because of it.

Whats not true? Back that up if you can. CC does not want rank restriction. Show me where that is not true. This whole idea of restriction by rank is mute. Its the same old dead horse over and over again. Not a solution CC wants.

[Aalmeida17]

ok let me try explain what is going on

first to people like The Neon Peon i apologise for my english i try to do my best every day but its hard to write perfecty english when you dont need it every day


1- the rule of life "just the stronger people survive ",(the powerfull stronger is the most intelligent (smart , brainy, informed, watchful)) so what you need to be strong ? r:. to be the powerfull stonger you need a lot of things like : know your opponent , know your opponent weakness , you need to know if you weak than him how to get stronger , Tues moderate shape ....


2- when you thing you stronger - never be a boasts ( display , expose), that was the most jackass way to be stronger .


3- if you are a stronger guy a Intelligent what you try to do? R:.grow in society, make the most of yourself, always be on top of the event, never pass by retarded, summarize be better or perhaps "the" best.


4- the best people never leave the other one knowing what are they thinking , never do the wrong step , never show you they weak point.


5-business- the next step for a smart guy is get in business , business can be a lot of things , like a taxi driver , or even a site manager like the ConquerClub boss.


6 when you a boss what you thing you need to do? R:.never had competion


7- how to never had competion - first you need to be famous be people , second be able to manage , people need to like what you do to spend money with you , never leave people take control of your business.


8-what you can do to keep on pride of yourself even when you see smart people pass over you- well you can do unimaginable things to dont let they pass across over you.


NOW what append in CC first its a lot of smart people everyone try to be the best , everyone dont wanna be the weak guy the

none guy , to dont let the others pass across they , they use forum to report him for absurd reasons , they use ratings to give

the poor rank they can give, they use the "foe bottom" to never more lose against him , they use abusive words to make the

other guy feel bad.

what is the first think a smart guy do when he understand how CC works?
he try to get points faster like doodle ass, aor1 ,city mogul and more another maps you know



example: Brann2006 he see me a lot of times in speed games i know iam a good player and he know i know a lot of "tricks" , i joined a game with him in game finder and the best is check game chat to knoe it better

2009-11-30 17:46:40 - Brann2006: wtf are you doing here!?
2009-11-30 17:48:27 - Aalmeida17: uh?
2009-11-30 17:48:31 - Aalmeida17: lol why?
2009-11-30 17:49:13 - Brann2006: why did you join=
2009-11-30 17:49:14 - Brann2006: ?
2009-11-30 17:49:18 - Beckytheblondie: brann is such a f@g
2009-11-30 17:50:18 - Aalmeida17: i join just for fun
2009-11-30 17:50:24 - Brann2006: f*ck off
2009-11-30 17:50:25 - Brann2006: 0.o
2009-11-30 17:50:39 - Aalmeida17: is that the objective no?!
2009-11-30 17:50:53 - Aalmeida17: i dont understand ur point
2009-11-30 17:51:01 - Brann2006: I dont do friends
2009-11-30 17:51:04 - Brann2006: but as you join
2009-11-30 17:51:11 - Aalmeida17: why u rude man?
2009-11-30 17:51:20 - Brann2006: I could see you dont look upon me a friend
2009-11-30 17:51:22 - Brann2006: good to know!
2009-11-30 17:51:58 - Aalmeida17: stop acting like thati just join one no reason to be like that
2009-11-30 17:52:36 - Aalmeida17: i saw i like a friend but a rude friend =D
2009-11-30 17:52:48 - Brann2006: I dont do 1vs1 against friends
2009-11-30 17:52:50 - Aalmeida17: dont be bitch brann
2009-11-30 17:53:01 - Brann2006: but if your gonna be an arse like that
2009-11-30 17:53:04 - Brann2006: then just f*ck off
2009-11-30 17:53:15 - Aalmeida17: ok will not join anymore ok?!
2009-11-30 17:53:29 - Aalmeida17: lol
2009-11-30 17:53:40 - Aalmeida17: stfu and lmao baby =P
2009-11-30 17:53:44 - Brann2006: just play
2009-11-30 17:53:58 - Aalmeida17: no
2009-11-30 17:54:07 - Aalmeida17: i dont wanna play anymore
2009-11-30 17:54:24 - Aalmeida17: u scares me
2009-11-30 17:54:30 - Aalmeida17: i have fear to play
2009-11-30 17:54:40 - Brann2006: f*ck YOU
2009-11-30 17:54:43 - Brann2006: your foed
2009-11-30 17:55:58 - Aalmeida17: hahaha
2009-11-30 17:56:01 - Aalmeida17: lol
2009-11-30 17:56:08 - Aalmeida17: you so fun
2009-11-30 17:56:19 - Aalmeida17: why are u like that?
2009-11-30 17:56:34 - Aalmeida17: u think foe is best solution?
2009-11-30 17:56:50 - Aalmeida17: so one day u have no more ppl to play
2009-11-30 17:57:34 - Aalmeida17: do whatever u want brann but if u foed me u not my friend 2
2009-11-30 18:22:34 - Brann2006: lol
2009-11-30 18:23:01 - Aalmeida17: shit

another example is the.killing.44 when lanyards was a player the.killing.44 was my friend but the first game we play without lany
Game 5747425
2009-10-14 01:44:28 - the.killing.44: aal
2009-10-14 01:44:32 - the.killing.44: you are the fucking worst player
2009-10-14 01:45:08 - the.killing.44: im foeing you

more examples?! : KraphtOne , i dont know how many times he foed me but i think every game we play toguether independently who wins he foed me , make you laught uh ?! yhea but its true and he is noy on my list.

my last example is the famouse KLOBBER , on his profile you can check this :Location:
----- I have upped my rank -- NOW UP YOURS! -----
but the true is if u win more than 3 or 4 games sometimes just 1 consecutive to him , he foed you
2009-12-15 15:39:36 - bob-o42: klobber; why did you make me a foe?
2009-12-19 02:07:39 - bob-o42: i upped my game.... now its time to up yours
2009-12-19 02:07:51 - bob-o42: instead of just making good players foes
this coment give me an lol time
almost every games you can see this :KLOBBER: May the best man win.


I have played in a lot of online games and one of then is Travian - what append in Travian the smart guys try to farm the noobs as many was they can, what the boss's try to do , made a rule agaist that , what players did? continue farming , but the most part of that farmers as pay costumers and spend money with the game so they cant ban they , what they does now ?
beginning players protection they give X days of a protection from the other users who started first




after you read this I wanna ask you

what is the diference between a NR and a noob for the rules?
what is the diference between u start a game knowing NR's will join or start an city mogul or aor1 you knowing you almost will win ?
why should a active and pay user suffer the consequences about farming if we CAN farming and we are not restricted to play with they?
why people like KraphtOne want to see moderatores give me an reset score if he doing the same "farming" at a few weeks ago?
can someone explain to me what is Getting Farmed?

after all i wana ask you , if you see 5 bucks on the ground you dont take them?
if you have a chance to enter in theater with no pay, you will pay?
if you a little drunk you go on your feet and leave your car in the disco just becauz is against road rules drive drunk?
if you in the bus hungry and with a cheeseburguer in your bag , you dont gonna eat then because its against bus rules?

think about it and answer me

[jefjef]

CC does not want restriction by rank. This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower then major.

No sir, that's not even remotely true, as has been WELL DOCUMENTED in the various anti-farming/pro-rank-restriction threads. There are many ways (one in particular is PERFECT) to limit ranks without making it so that the very top can only play with the very top.

Sadly, this site WANTS to have their cake and be able to eat it too...and they're losing members because of it.

Whats not true? Back that up if you can. CC does not want rank restriction. Show me where that is not true. This whole idea of restriction by rank is mute. Its the same old dead horse over and over again. Not a solution CC wants.

Well it is not a viable solution to limit the games many of us PAY to play. If CC truly wanted to "protect" NR (potential customers) from being farmed then they would take the proper steps to eliminate the possibility. But you can not say that a 5 game block of ?? from playing officers would be detrimental to the site OR to the NR. It's equal to blocking them from maps and settings.

Why is it OK to keep them from maps but not from those who you say cheat by playing against them?

The whole farming thing is absurd and enforcement of it causes a whole slew of issues, confusion and stupid threads like this one.

[KraphtOne]

yeah CC will probably "fix" this the way they "fixed" other problems, and make things better for 1 thing but worse for the majority...

to limit the number of games you can create would be a terrible idea...

i create a batch of games, knowing that it will be at least a week before any of them make it to the front page and actually fill up... if i were only allowed to create 4 or 5 games at a time of the same setting then i would be sitting here twiddling my thumbs 90% of the time, wondering why i paid money to sit and wait for games to fill...

you restrict a map and then they just flock to another... feudal wasnt always a noob magnet until they blocked other maps... now clearly Aal has found a noob magnet map and is exploiting it...

you're telling me it's good business for someone to jump into a game with an officer as soon as they join the site? Go pick out a random yahoo game and see how easily you can jump into a game with someone with a high rank... You have to earn it, and people do... And that's what makes it entertaining...

Rabbiton as conquerer and Aalmeida is a brig... i'm gonna puke...

A lieutenant with an eagle... and only took a couple days of getting free points...

At least with a cook you know they'll at least show up and give it a puncher's chance...

[ronsizzle]

im about to start 50 montreal manual sequential escalating games...

i wonder how many i will win with pure deadbeats?

[MrMoody]

Well it is not a viable solution to limit the games many of us PAY to play.

The limit is all ready in place at 50. changing the limit may not even work. Show me why it wouldn't work. I'm not even saying you couldn't join 50 waiting games. Just reduce the number a member can start. I'm sure most members wouldn't like a change like this. Maybe talking about what could work will lead to a solution.

If CC truly wanted to "protect" NR (potential customers) from being farmed then they would take the proper steps to eliminate the possibility. But you can not say that a 5 game block of ?? from playing officers would be detrimental to the site OR to the NR. It's equal to blocking them from maps and settings.

Blocking new recruits from playing officers only stops officers from farming. What about lower ranks? should they go and farm new recruits? A cook with a doodleass addiction could farm forever under your solution. Stopping farming is not about officers going up the scoreboard. stopping farming is about a new recruits not having a bad experience in his first few games. CC wants these new recruits to return and become regular users. Its about all the other cheap tactics used by farmers that may cause a new recruit to not return. (like taking 23hrs45min to take your turns.) First experiences that may not be fun causing them to leave. CC does not want to start restrictions by points or rank.

Why is it OK to keep them from maps but not from those who you say cheat by playing against them?

These maps were considered difficult. Maps like waterloo, Circus Maximus, Draknor were user by farmers. This was changed so they wouldn't show on "game finder" until a new recruit made rank. What we are seeing is other maps become farming maps now. Question is why? Is it because farmers make 30-40 at a time so the work there way up to page one in game finder? The reason its not okay to block them from the people who "cheat" Is because CC does not want restrictions on what member another member can play. Restrictions of this type have been turned down over and over by Admin.

The whole farming thing is absurd and enforcement of it causes a whole slew of issues, confusion and stupid threads like this one.

This is so correct. Even when looking back to last January when anti farming rules started. The reduction of farming is clear from then to now but we have a long way to go.

i create a batch of games, knowing that it will be at least a week before any of them make it to the front page and actually fill up... if i were only allowed to create 4 or 5 games at a time of the same setting then i would be sitting here twiddling my thumbs 90% of the time, wondering why i paid money to sit and wait for games to fill...

If everyone was reduced to a lower number of games to create who could say that other games wouldn't fill faster. This could result in your games getting to the beloved front page sooner. You may only like one setting or one map. Letting members still have 50 games waiting to start but only create 5-10 could result in all games cycling through game finder faster. You could find your 5-10 games filled every other day and not need to wait a week.

you restrict a map and then they just flock to another... feudal wasnt always a noob magnet until they blocked other maps... now clearly Aal has found a noob magnet map and is exploiting it...

Thank you for this. Go look at his games. He makes 20-30-40 at a time. They don't fill until they make the first page. I would think you could turn any map into a farming map doing this. Solution : reduce the number he can start at one time. Still allow him to join up to 50 waiting games and have unlimited games active. This could end farming.

[jefjef]

Well if a cook is farming than he aint growing much. and if he ever has a crop then he wouldn't be a cook long. AND I do not recall EVER seeing a cook being accused of farming.

Limiting games I'm referring to is a player setting up games on there preferred map and settings. If those settings seem to attract NR the solution is to block them from joining officer games (I believe officers are the only ones accused of farming thus far) Not restricting players from setting up games they want to and pay to play.

We are only talking 5 games before one loses the question mark. Ya defend CC view as if it would be 100 games before noobs could play everyone. We are only talking about FIVE games. And if the NR has a better chance of winning then CC has a better chance of them staying and eventually PAYING.

[MrMoody]

Another solution that may be more simple. Remove the "join a game" button. Seems this farming works because new recruits use "join a game". This gives them a list of games from oldest first. This is why farmers create multiple games to flood the first page. Make them use "Game Finder" and they will need to search out the settings they want. This could reduce the chance of a new recruit joining the first few games they see. Maps like Feudal could be returned for new recruits to play.

[BigBallinStalin]

1. Sorry, I don't know Portuguese, although it would greatly increase our ability to communicate, I'm sure. If you wish to speak in French, Russian, or Ukrainian instead, perhaps I wouldn't be forced to read your poor grammar.

"Ukrainian." Good one, don't you mean "Russian with a slight accent"?

[BigBallinStalin]

CC does not want restriction by rank. This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower then major. Colonels would say they shouldn't need to play with cooks. restriction by rank brings a lot of new problems to the table. CC has always said any player should and can play against any other player. This may be the easy way to stop farming dead in its tracks but I don't believe it will ever be put into use.

Here's that BS snowballing argument. It goes like this on many other issues: Gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because if you give the gays the right to marry then people will eventually get to marry their dogs, and then they'll get to marry 5 year olds, and then --yada yada yada--.

NO, if you prevent ??s from playing the rank mostly held by the majority of noob farmers, then that's fine. No one's going to allow the really high ranks to only have at least colonel ranked players join their open public games. Ahh, but you guys don't want to do that, so what else is there...

How bout stricter enforcement of rules? Many many MANY people have been suspected of noob farming and are obviously doing it, but what's the punishment? It's light or hardly ever given out. Start banning people for a week and see how many of them will try to farm again...

Why not? You guys ban for lesser reasons, so you may as well ban for better reasons. If the rules against noob farming were properly enforced, people would be less likely to noob farm, wouldn't they?

EDIT: Merry Christmas.

[Woodruff]

CC does not want restriction by rank. This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower then major.

No sir, that's not even remotely true, as has been WELL DOCUMENTED in the various anti-farming/pro-rank-restriction threads. There are many ways (one in particular is PERFECT) to limit ranks without making it so that the very top can only play with the very top.

Sadly, this site WANTS to have their cake and be able to eat it too...and they're losing members because of it.

Whats not true? Back that up if you can. CC does not want rank restriction. Show me where that is not true. This whole idea of restriction by rank is mute. Its the same old dead horse over and over again. Not a solution CC wants.

Oh brother. I wasn't saying that CC doesn't want rank restriction...clearly they DO. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

What is definitely NOT true is the implication that "This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower than major", which is the statement I was responding to. As I said, it's well documented within the various threads precisely how the site can AVOID that being a problem, and yet...the site wants to fail. And it definitely is failing in this regard, because they are PROMOTING a problem that they claim they do not want. That's pretty much the definition of failure.

[AAFitz]

another think is the points
oh well the points , if CC never get the NR's points the Conqueror never had more than 2000 and major , colonel , Brigadier , general and fidel marshal never exist , cuz the active players win and LOSE too , if u play always with the same guy from the beginning , u lose all the games and he win all , he get 1999 points u get 1(i think u cant get 0) but if u win one game to him u gonna win more than 50 points , and in last game he wont to u and just get 1 point, can u c my point of view?

can you ask targetman to translate this for us?

He is actually suggesting that if new recruits are not farmed, than no one will ever have more than 2000 points.

[the.killing.44]

Hey, I look at it this way: if aal's cleared, I get Field Marshal. Free points for everyone!

[MrMoody]

CC does not want restriction by rank. This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower then major.

No sir, that's not even remotely true, as has been WELL DOCUMENTED in the various anti-farming/pro-rank-restriction threads. There are many ways (one in particular is PERFECT) to limit ranks without making it so that the very top can only play with the very top.

Sadly, this site WANTS to have their cake and be able to eat it too...and they're losing members because of it.

Whats not true? Back that up if you can. CC does not want rank restriction. Show me where that is not true. This whole idea of restriction by rank is mute. Its the same old dead horse over and over again. Not a solution CC wants.

Oh brother. I wasn't saying that CC doesn't want rank restriction...clearly they DO. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

What is definitely NOT true is the implication that "This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower than major", which is the statement I was responding to. As I said, it's well documented within the various threads precisely how the site can AVOID that being a problem, and yet...the site wants to fail. And it definitely is failing in this regard, because they are PROMOTING a problem that they claim they do not want. That's pretty much the definition of failure.

Any links you feel back this up would be helpful.

[Aalmeida17]

Hey, I look at it this way: if aal's cleared, I get Field Marshal. Free points for everyone!

u pisse me off , can u disapear ?

[hahaha3hahaha]

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[Woodruff]

CC does not want restriction by rank. This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower then major.

No sir, that's not even remotely true, as has been WELL DOCUMENTED in the various anti-farming/pro-rank-restriction threads. There are many ways (one in particular is PERFECT) to limit ranks without making it so that the very top can only play with the very top.

Sadly, this site WANTS to have their cake and be able to eat it too...and they're losing members because of it.

Whats not true? Back that up if you can. CC does not want rank restriction. Show me where that is not true. This whole idea of restriction by rank is mute. Its the same old dead horse over and over again. Not a solution CC wants.

Oh brother. I wasn't saying that CC doesn't want rank restriction...clearly they DO. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

What is definitely NOT true is the implication that "This will only grow into General and Field Marshals who don't want to play with anyone lower than major", which is the statement I was responding to. As I said, it's well documented within the various threads precisely how the site can AVOID that being a problem, and yet...the site wants to fail. And it definitely is failing in this regard, because they are PROMOTING a problem that they claim they do not want. That's pretty much the definition of failure.

Any links you feel back this up would be helpful.

I've gotta be honest...you can do the search just as easily as I can. Unlike you, it's a discussion I have paid a lot of attention to.

Specifically though, you should be looking for the thread that is initiated by a post describing the method of "rank segregating" based on the percentage of the game initiator's score. I don't remember the specifics, but let's pretend it was 50%. Based on that, if a player with a rank of 3,000 started the game, anyone from 1500 through 4500 could join whereas if a player of 900 started the game, then only players from 450 through 1350 could join. And if a conqueror with a score of 5069 started the game, then only players with a rank of 2535 would be able to join (still leaving 250+ players to join their games).

This method would eliminate the entire possibility of farming WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ensuring that newbies/cooks/cadets have reasonably competitive games that will further their enjoyment of the site, causing them to be more likely to invest in it. But that suggestion has been ignored, as so many great ones are around this place. Meanwhile, we get nuclear-freaking-spoils and reorganizations of the screens.

[jefjef]

Another solution that may be more simple. Remove the "join a game" button. Seems this farming works because new recruits use "join a game". This gives them a list of games from oldest first. This is why farmers create multiple games to flood the first page. Make them use "Game Finder" and they will need to search out the settings they want. This could reduce the chance of a new recruit joining the first few games they see. Maps like Feudal could be returned for new recruits to play.

Funny post.

So instead of addressing and correcting you prefer to leave farming and it's enforcement up to "as the wind blows" interpretation. How about CC allow it's established customers to create the games they please and want to play and mostly pay to play.

Because they want to protect 5 game ?? from rank segregation? It can't be rank segregation if they have no rank.

Farming is like the cops selling dope and then busting you for possession.

[MrMoody]

Another solution that may be more simple. Remove the "join a game" button. Seems this farming works because new recruits use "join a game". This gives them a list of games from oldest first. This is why farmers create multiple games to flood the first page. Make them use "Game Finder" and they will need to search out the settings they want. This could reduce the chance of a new recruit joining the first few games they see. Maps like Feudal could be returned for new recruits to play.

Funny post.

So instead of addressing and correcting you prefer to leave farming and it's enforcement up to "as the wind blows" interpretation. How about CC allow it's established customers to create the games they please and want to play and mostly pay to play.

Because they want to protect 5 game ?? from rank segregation? It can't be rank segregation if they have no rank.

Farming is like the cops selling dope and then busting you for possession.

trying to help you think outside the box. I'll stop trying to work with you if you like. Enjoy pushing this idea as long as you like.

[jefjef]

Another solution that may be more simple. Remove the "join a game" button. Seems this farming works because new recruits use "join a game". This gives them a list of games from oldest first. This is why farmers create multiple games to flood the first page. Make them use "Game Finder" and they will need to search out the settings they want. This could reduce the chance of a new recruit joining the first few games they see. Maps like Feudal could be returned for new recruits to play.

Funny post.

So instead of addressing and correcting you prefer to leave farming and it's enforcement up to "as the wind blows" interpretation. How about CC allow it's established customers to create the games they please and want to play and mostly pay to play.

Because they want to protect 5 game ?? from rank segregation? It can't be rank segregation if they have no rank.

Farming is like the cops selling dope and then busting you for possession.

trying to help you think outside the box. I'll stop trying to work with you if you like. Enjoy pushing this idea as long as you like.

Oh. You were serious? Sorry. Remove the join a game button? I just clicked it and searched the first 5 pages or so. Didn't see any farmers or farming games jump out at me. I think it would only make it a little harder for NR to find games.

I've always used Game Finder button myself. Can't say I ever joined a game from the Join Game button.

Well maybe Free style needs to be blocked. It seems most of the "farmers" use freestyle. Maybe that can eliminate some of it.

[The Neon Peon]

Another solution that may be more simple. Remove the "join a game" button. Seems this farming works because new recruits use "join a game". This gives them a list of games from oldest first. This is why farmers create multiple games to flood the first page. Make them use "Game Finder" and they will need to search out the settings they want. This could reduce the chance of a new recruit joining the first few games they see. Maps like Feudal could be returned for new recruits to play.

Might you please read over a post of mine earlier in the thread and respond to it:

3. I have enough of a brain to figure out that if new recruits join the first 100 games on a map and settings, then they will join the next 20 you start.

Could giving up the freedom of starting 50 new games end farming forever? If you could still join unlimited games BUT ONLY START 5 OR 10 farmers couldn't use this. I can only think of one case where this was not part of the method used. That case was not ruled as farming.

Are members willing to give up something like this to help end farming?

Take a look at this case closely. There are not 50 games, as the game waiting limit, but well over 100. And furthermore, he stated that he did not start more than 30 at once.

It is not that he started 50 games that filled up with new recruits. I perfectly understand how that could happen.

But to start 30, watch them fill up with new recruits..
start more 30, watch them fill up with new recruits...
start more 30, watch them fill up with new recruits...
then start more...

I think that it's not a matter of restricting the amount of games at that point. He can farm just as easily in sets of 10 or 20 games.

In other words, it is not a matter of preventing new recruits from joining certain games through various interesting methods. It is simply a matter of banning members that purposely try to make them join their games.

I see no issue with someone starting 50 games, them filling with new recruits, and then gaining several hundred points. That person will then either do one of the following:
1. Stop starting that many of that type of game, seeing as it is obvious that it will fill with new recruits and pick something else.
2. Keep making batches of games on that same map and settings because they are getting easy points.

If the person picks option 1, then his rank will move down to where his skill level is (since the person is gaining less points and losing more than normal).

So isn't the only thing we have to do is to ban the people that continue to make games on a type of map and settings that obviously attract new recruits? I don't understand why you believe farming is a result of inadequate restrictions.

[The Neon Peon]

ok let me try explain what is going on

first to people like The Neon Peon i apologise for my english i try to do my best every day but its hard to write perfecty english when you dont need it every day

My apologies, I was under the impression that you lived in the US. (I hadn't checked your profile)

what is the diference between a NR and a noob for the rules?
what is the diference between u start a game knowing NR's will join or start an city mogul or aor1 you knowing you almost will win ?

To both of these, there is the same answer: new recruits often deadbeat. When you are new to the site, and there are 2 other players in your first game that never take their turn, you are far less likely to stay. That is why the rule was made in the first place.

why should a active and pay user suffer the consequences about farming if we CAN farming and we are not restricted to play with they?

They can't stop you from creating another account since that would be impossible. But they can ban you for it.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

can someone explain to me what is Getting Farmed?

Basically, being one of the new recruits that joins a game where most of the others are new recruits and there is one high ranked player that is taking advantage of them deadbeating.

after all i wana ask you , if you see 5 bucks on the ground you dont take them?

The odds of the owner finding the money is very small. I would take it.

if you have a chance to enter in theater with no pay, you will pay?

Of course I would pay. I'm one of those people that will walk to the sidewalk to cross a deserted street in the middle of nowhere instead of cutting across it.

if you a little drunk you go on your feet and leave your car in the disco just becauz is against road rules drive drunk?

I'll ignore this seeing as my religion forbids drinking, so I would hope to never know the answer.

if you in the bus hungry and with a cheeseburguer in your bag , you dont gonna eat then because its against bus rules?

I don't generally carry food around with me. Can't answer this either, never been put in that position.

I really don't see how the last few questions have anything to do with farming. Are you trying to say that you break the rules because you are capable of doing so?

[MrMoody]

Another solution that may be more simple. Remove the "join a game" button. Seems this farming works because new recruits use "join a game". This gives them a list of games from oldest first. This is why farmers create multiple games to flood the first page. Make them use "Game Finder" and they will need to search out the settings they want. This could reduce the chance of a new recruit joining the first few games they see. Maps like Feudal could be returned for new recruits to play.

Might you please read over a post of mine earlier in the thread and respond to it:

3. I have enough of a brain to figure out that if new recruits join the first 100 games on a map and settings, then they will join the next 20 you start.

Could giving up the freedom of starting 50 new games end farming forever? If you could still join unlimited games BUT ONLY START 5 OR 10 farmers couldn't use this. I can only think of one case where this was not part of the method used. That case was not ruled as farming.

Are members willing to give up something like this to help end farming?

Take a look at this case closely. There are not 50 games, as the game waiting limit, but well over 100. And furthermore, he stated that he did not start more than 30 at once.

It is not that he started 50 games that filled up with new recruits. I perfectly understand how that could happen.

But to start 30, watch them fill up with new recruits..
start more 30, watch them fill up with new recruits...
start more 30, watch them fill up with new recruits...
then start more...

I think that it's not a matter of restricting the amount of games at that point. He can farm just as easily in sets of 10 or 20 games.

In other words, it is not a matter of preventing new recruits from joining certain games through various interesting methods. It is simply a matter of banning members that purposely try to make them join their games.

I see no issue with someone starting 50 games, them filling with new recruits, and then gaining several hundred points. That person will then either do one of the following:
1. Stop starting that many of that type of game, seeing as it is obvious that it will fill with new recruits and pick something else.
2. Keep making batches of games on that same map and settings because they are getting easy points.

If the person picks option 1, then his rank will move down to where his skill level is (since the person is gaining less points and losing more than normal).

So isn't the only thing we have to do is to ban the people that continue to make games on a type of map and settings that obviously attract new recruits? I don't understand why you believe farming is a result of inadequate restrictions.

Banning more people is not a solution. I can't see more banning solving farming.

[Aalmeida17]

ok let me try explain what is going on

first to people like The Neon Peon i apologise for my english i try to do my best every day but its hard to write perfecty english when you dont need it every day

My apologies, I was under the impression that you lived in the US. (I hadn't checked your profile)

what is the diference between a NR and a noob for the rules?
what is the diference between u start a game knowing NR's will join or start an city mogul or aor1 you knowing you almost will win ?

To both of these, there is the same answer: new recruits often deadbeat. When you are new to the site, and there are 2 other players in your first game that never take their turn, you are far less likely to stay. That is why the rule was made in the first place.

why should a active and pay user suffer the consequences about farming if we CAN farming and we are not restricted to play with they?

They can't stop you from creating another account since that would be impossible. But they can ban you for it.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

can someone explain to me what is Getting Farmed?

Basically, being one of the new recruits that joins a game where most of the others are new recruits and there is one high ranked player that is taking advantage of them deadbeating.

after all i wana ask you , if you see 5 bucks on the ground you dont take them?

The odds of the owner finding the money is very small. I would take it.

if you have a chance to enter in theater with no pay, you will pay?

Of course I would pay. I'm one of those people that will walk to the sidewalk to cross a deserted street in the middle of nowhere instead of cutting across it.

if you a little drunk you go on your feet and leave your car in the disco just becauz is against road rules drive drunk?

I'll ignore this seeing as my religion forbids drinking, so I would hope to never know the answer.

if you in the bus hungry and with a cheeseburguer in your bag , you dont gonna eat then because its against bus rules?

I don't generally carry food around with me. Can't answer this either, never been put in that position.

I really don't see how the last few questions have anything to do with farming. Are you trying to say that you break the rules because you are capable of doing so?

if you dont know what this few questions are about farming , your brain not so good than you thint it was

1. I have enough of a brain to talk like a normal person.
2. I have enough of a brain to get to major easily without playing new recruits.
3. I have enough of a brain to figure out that if new recruits join the first 100 games on a map and settings, then they will join the next 20 you start.

[The Neon Peon]

Banning more people is not a solution. I can't see more banning solving farming.

I have to disagree.

You have proposed in this thread that we place restrictions on games started, or get rid of the join a game page, and others have proposed and set in place map restrictions. Why?

If you place enough restrictions on starting games, people will join games with new recruits instead. Either you ban them then, or you might as well have let farming be.

I don't want any restrictions placed on my games because 10 users out of 20,000 are targeting new recruits with the feature of being able to start many games. Wouldn't it be easier to ban the 10 abusing the feature than to restrict it for everyone else?

Now, I'm not saying ban the few people that were cleared of farming recently. From what I understand (I only glanced at the cases, so correct me if I'm wrong), the people started a bunch of games, had them fill with new recruits, then stopped starting the games. I'm not saying go on a banning spree to everyone that gets unlucky. Just get rid of the ones abusing the rules as of now so that we don't have to restrict the features available to new members such as 8 man games.