obliterationX - farming [cleared/noted]

[king achilles]

If he is a jedi, then he can easily contact the weakminded, make them join his games, control the combat intensity levels, and make his opponents make irrational moves. Are there any evidence where he used his jedi mind tricks, that is, if he is indeed a jedi in the first place?

If found to be a jedi and guilty of the charges, you will be subjected to the jedi council and stripped off any jedi powers and light sabers you may have. The force will no longer be with you and you will be damned to only play as the pink player.

Going back to the report, the games provided here are played on the Classic map, which is not a complex map, and is actually one of the maps, if not the only map, that is being used by the Society of Cooks for teaching and mentoring new recruits. The settings he used, well, are his choices. Another thing is that based from these games mentioned, obliterationX is the one who created these games.

So, next to this is if he actually invited many of these new recruits to play his games, which would suspiciously point to targeting them.

As what AAFitz said:

If the invites were sent out, to become instantly available to new recruits, and the reason for the original invites was to attract said new recruits...which is very possible, then it is targeting new recruits. I think to prove this, a great number of examples would have to be given, showing he knew by doing this, that those new recruits would join. If he continued after one batch, and set up another, than he did in fact know what would happen, and therefore targeted them.

If you do something once, or many times and new recruits join en masse...then doing it again is targeting them, and expressly against the anti-farming rule and gross abuse of game rule.

It is the repeated activities that end up with new recruits in the game that are against the rules. That is targeting them.

- still pending.

[obliterationX]

So, next to this is if he actually invited many of these new recruits to play his games, which suspiciously points to targeting them.

I'll just re-iterate my points:

- If you people actually care to look at the time the New Recruits that joined my games actually registered on the site, it's after the games were created. Does that prove my point that I didn't invite any New Recruits?! After all, 1 vs 1 games would join with players immediately. In some cases, the players joining the games had only registered 5 minutes before they joined the games, which had already been up for 24 hours or so. I find it laughable that you guys seem to look over that when saying I'm talking "bullshit."

- Just to disprove you, the game number is Game 6096995. This game was created on Saturday, as can be proven by checking games with a similar number. The player joined CC on Sunday! How does one possibly send an invite to a player that does not exist, may I ask!? Check out the others if you care to do so, you'll find this is the case in effectively all the games. Not to mention, half of the games that .44 lists aren't even against New Recruits, haha!

- That's true, but bear in mind that these games were up and had invitations expired on them. Therefore, these games wouldn't have appeared on the last page of "Join A Game" page for ranked players (which is how they usually join up so quickly), but will have appeared at the top for New Recruits (because of their map limitations). Proof enough that I didn't invite noobs.

- Well, when the games expired, they would have been at the top of the "Join A Game" list for New Recruits (they have strict map and settings filters as far as I've researched), and nowhere near the top of the list for ranked players. That's why so many NR's joined.

[jefjef]

They KEY question is: Who did you invite? You have been asked many times. Even by Lord V.

You obviously know how the expired games appear to ? to join. Who did you invite?

[pistebasher]

[quote="Snowgun"]


if you invite a thousand cooks to advanced settings games, it's not faming.

Yes it is still 'farming' - but it is 'farming cooks', and at present only 'farming new recruits' is against CC rules. A rule which is long overdue for a review, unless CC likes having a high percentage of it's highest ranked players to have gained their position by this method.

[AAFitz]

So, next to this is if he actually invited many of these new recruits to play his games, which suspiciously points to targeting them.

I'll just re-iterate my points:

- If you people actually care to look at the time the New Recruits that joined my games actually registered on the site, it's after the games were created. Does that prove my point that I didn't invite any New Recruits?! After all, 1 vs 1 games would join with players immediately. In some cases, the players joining the games had only registered 5 minutes before they joined the games, which had already been up for 24 hours or so. I find it laughable that you guys seem to look over that when saying I'm talking "bullshit."

- Just to disprove you, the game number is Game 6096995. This game was created on Saturday, as can be proven by checking games with a similar number. The player joined CC on Sunday! How does one possibly send an invite to a player that does not exist, may I ask!? Check out the others if you care to do so, you'll find this is the case in effectively all the games. Not to mention, half of the games that .44 lists aren't even against New Recruits, haha!

- That's true, but bear in mind that these games were up and had invitations expired on them. Therefore, these games wouldn't have appeared on the last page of "Join A Game" page for ranked players (which is how they usually join up so quickly), but will have appeared at the top for New Recruits (because of their map limitations). Proof enough that I didn't invite noobs.

- Well, when the games expired, they would have been at the top of the "Join A Game" list for New Recruits (they have strict map and settings filters as far as I've researched), and nowhere near the top of the list for ranked players. That's why so many NR's joined.

What you are missing, is the fact that if you invited cooks, or other group of players, knowing or really even suspecting they would not join, and that these games would go to the top of the list, then you were still targeting new recruits, as your actions would have caused new recruits to join your game, and were breaking the anti-farming rules. The fact that it was a clever way of doing it, does not change that fact. Unless of course you are saying, that your invites were meant to be played by the actual players you sent invites too...which is great...Just list those people and that will be obvious.

You dont have to invite new recruits to target them, and be guilty of farming them. In fact, if you invited say a friend, and just told him not to joint them, there isnt even any question about your intent...so just explain WHO YOU DID INVITE, AND WHY. It will clear you instantly if your intentions were truly just to play some games, and not target new recruits.

Though, the answer, which it seems to be clear, may very well incriminate you here, and quite frankly, not answering is leaning most to deduce this was a scheme from the very start.

[magicc]

Pardon me, I'm new here and of all the forums I have visited, I find this forum the most interesting. Can anyone direct me where can I educate myself about this farming that you are all talking about?

[AAFitz]

Pardon me, I'm new here and of all the forums I have visited, I find this forum the most interesting. Can anyone direct me where can I educate myself about this farming that you are all talking about?

index.php search feature is in upper right corner, type in farming.

Specifically you can look for announcements page too, which will show the first CC attempt to stop farming

There are many Cheating threads like this one, but education comes at a price, It requires a lot of reading, but it shows precedents, various views, and the progression of anti-farming legislation.


Just clicking through general discussion should provide the most recent conversations about it also.

Thats about the only real education available.

[Snowgun]

Pardon me, I'm new here and of all the forums I have visited, I find this forum the most interesting. Can anyone direct me where can I educate myself about this farming that you are all talking about?

Better get on the bandwagon quick! Technically as a corp you can only farm cooks before they take that away as well!

if you invite a thousand cooks to advanced settings games, it's not faming.

Yes it is still 'farming' - but it is 'farming cooks', and at present only 'farming new recruits' is against CC rules. A rule which is long overdue for a review, unless CC likes having a high percentage of it's highest ranked players to have gained their position by this method.

Go back and reread all my posts in this thread. I covered your post, and was currently explaining the rules according to CC doctrine in your quote of mine. Of course it might be tough to weed out the sarcasm, maybe I should color them red?

What you are missing, is the fact that if you invited cooks, or other group of players, knowing or really even suspecting they would not join, and that these games would go to the top of the list, then you were still targeting new recruits, as your actions would have caused new recruits to join your game, and were breaking the anti-farming rules. .

I think you are extending the interpretation of the RULES a little too far FItz. Now any actions causing new recuits to join a game is farming? Then by that logic if you make a game and a NOOB joins it... BAMN! Instant farming!

So then you say, "no, no", there were lots of games. Then the question is: How many Noob joined games constitutes farming? 1? 2? 5?

Then you say, "no, no", there was INTENT. Well shit, how do you measure that? if X had done this with a 3 game batch. What is that? How about 1 game every other day? Now we are dithering over quantity and frequency of something that can't be measured or proven (intent) and, barring invites, is solely subjected to noobs randomly joining games due to their own devices, whether they are on the "join game" list or not.

People, this can't go on like this. It's stupid.

[jefjef]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

[obliterationX]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

Agreed.

100% agreed.

[jefjef]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

Agreed.

100% agreed.

Good. Who did you send all those invites too?

[bigg chief]

oh , you were not kidding , when you said you were a big deal , after you completely verbally harrassed me in our team game , which we beat your team , quite handedly , looks like instant karma .Well gl in your case to prove your innocence .

[obliterationX]

oh , you were not kidding , when you said you were a big deal , after you completely verbally harrassed me in our team game , which we beat your team , quite handedly , looks like instant karma .Well gl in your case to prove your innocence .

I wouldn't quite call belittling you by using long words to be "verbal harrassment." I don't see any swear words in the whole game chat.

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... iterationX

It's still 2-1, my little friend.

[bigg chief]

oh well , thanks for calling me a little worm , though , thats cool of you

[bigg chief]

lol , you took that off my wall pretty fast eh

[lord voldemort]

Lets stay on topic. No personal attacks and what not

[Snowgun]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

Ok. So if I make a bunch of games, lets say on particular maps like classic (or COOL looking maps), at a certain time of day, HOPING that noobs join, is that farming?

And if it is, how the f*ck is anyone gonna prove it?

[jefjef]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

Ok. So if I make a bunch of games, lets say on particular maps like classic (or COOL looking maps), at a certain time of day, HOPEING that noobs join, is that farming?

And if it is, how the f*ck are you gonna prove it?

HOPING. Laying the path. That would be intent.

OBX odd silence on the invites tends to lead one to believe intention of farming.

[obliterationX]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

Ok. So if I make a bunch of games, lets say on particular maps like classic (or COOL looking maps), at a certain time of day, HOPEING that noobs join, is that farming?

And if it is, how the f*ck are you gonna prove it?

HOPING. Laying the path. That would be intent.

OBX odd silence on the invites tends to lead one to believe intention of farming.

I'll tell the C&A staff what they need to hear about this, not you.

Snowgun, I hear what you're saying. It really is ridiculous. I mean, look! All this fuss over, what, 8 or so new recruits joining a batch of 20 games?

[alster]

What you are missing, is the fact that if you invited cooks, or other group of players, knowing or really even suspecting they would not join, and that these games would go to the top of the list, then you were still targeting new recruits, as your actions would have caused new recruits to join your game, and were breaking the anti-farming rules. .

I think you are extending the interpretation of the RULES a little too far FItz. Now any actions causing new recuits to join a game is farming? Then by that logic if you make a game and a NOOB joins it... BAMN! Instant farming!

So then you say, "no, no", there were lots of games. Then the question is: How many Noob joined games constitutes farming? 1? 2? 5?

Then you say, "no, no", there was INTENT. Well shit, how do you measure that? if X had done this with a 3 game batch. What is that? How about 1 game every other day? Now we are dithering over quantity and frequency of something that can't be measured or proven (intent) and, barring invites, is solely subjected to noobs randomly joining games due to their own devices, whether they are on the "join game" list or not.

Fitz's got it dead right. You just need to catch up on the anti-farming rule as these issues partly have been dealt with. I took the liberty of making a brief review in an old thread, the whole thread is worth reading.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=100025&hilit=kraphtone+extreme+noob+farming&start=75#p2273783

[Snowgun]

Wow. Just WOW. (thanks for the link alster, it is a nice synopsis)

So according to precident there, activly joining noob games, or suckering in Noobs via invites or dropping wasn't enough of a demarcation. Now if noobs join a percentage of your games, (seems to denote % of noobs in a multiplayer game as well as % of 1v1 games that have noobs), you are in violation of the farming rule.

This is honestly fucking rediculous. We have some sort of super nanny state here.

I'm all for banning farming via invites and limiting certain maps...But this unfairly shifts the burden onto game makers arbitrarily.

Honestly, lets look at the cost benefit ratio here, AFTER we have the no invites, game drops, and Noob game sniping rules, do we REALLY benefit from this rule enough to warrent the gray area and lack of playing freedom it causes? ALso, does the benefit of this extra aspect of the farming rule OUTWEIGHt all these C&A reports?

And in the end WHO CARES? Just try farming with this technique, making sure you don't violate the other tennants of the farming rules, and see how far you go. It's a LOT of time for very little reward. Your better off ranking by playing team games on your favorite map.

[jefjef]

Excerpt from king a ruling on kraphtone farming:

The warning stands. The mere fact that kraphtone knows that new recruits are joining this particular setting so he could 'farm' points from them is an act of abuse of the game. The intent is there.

[Bruceswar]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

Agreed.

100% agreed.

Good. Who did you send all those invites too?

You really think you would get an honest answer? Obx is clearly looking for a score reset AGAIN! Why? So then he can be a low rank and nobody will say anything. ObX has gone to great lengths to get medals, everything from foeing every player worth a damn, to stealing points from point dumpers. What makes you think he has changed any? This was clear intent here. This map / settings, would fill 100 games up with little to no new recruits in them just because of how fast they generally fill up. The fact he got not 1 single higher rank is very telling. 8 of 20... 40% hmm

[obliterationX]

An action that knowingly and purposefully attracts Noobs IS FARMING.

Agreed.

100% agreed.

Good. Who did you send all those invites too?

You really think you would get an honest answer? Obx is clearly looking for a score reset AGAIN! Why? So then he can be a low rank and nobody will say anything. ObX has gone to great lengths to get medals, everything from foeing every player worth a damn, to stealing points from point dumpers. What makes you think he has changed any? This was clear intent here. This map / settings, would fill 100 games up with little to no new recruits in them just because of how fast they generally fill up. The fact he got not 1 single higher rank is very telling. 8 of 20... 40% hmm

I'll just re-iterate my points:

- If you people actually care to look at the time the New Recruits that joined my games actually registered on the site, it's after the games were created. Does that prove my point that I didn't invite any New Recruits?! After all, 1 vs 1 games would join with players immediately. In some cases, the players joining the games had only registered 5 minutes before they joined the games, which had already been up for 24 hours or so. I find it laughable that you guys seem to look over that when saying I'm talking "bullshit."

- Just to disprove you, the game number is Game 6096995. This game was created on Saturday, as can be proven by checking games with a similar number. The player joined CC on Sunday! How does one possibly send an invite to a player that does not exist, may I ask!? Check out the others if you care to do so, you'll find this is the case in effectively all the games. Not to mention, half of the games that .44 lists aren't even against New Recruits, haha!

- That's true, but bear in mind that these games were up and had invitations expired on them. Therefore, these games wouldn't have appeared on the last page of "Join A Game" page for ranked players (which is how they usually join up so quickly), but will have appeared at the top for New Recruits (because of their map limitations). Proof enough that I didn't invite noobs.

- Well, when the games expired, they would have been at the top of the "Join A Game" list for New Recruits (they have strict map and settings filters as far as I've researched), and nowhere near the top of the list for ranked players. That's why so many NR's joined.

[the.killing.44]

- Well, when the games expired, they would have been at the top of the "Join A Game" list for New Recruits (they have strict map and settings filters as far as I've researched), and nowhere near the top of the list for ranked players. That's why so many NR's joined.

Yeah, this proves your intent of farming NR's.