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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:28 pm

gimil wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:
gimil wrote:
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gimil wrote:Great porker, you have managed to say alot, without actually saying alot. You have did very little to give solid evidence of many of your theories, which i have to admit manyy i have not heard of before you mentioned them.

Prove what you have to say and suggest how best to fix it. For if we simple put forward opinions of what we see then we get locked into a battle of words that lead nowhere. No one is going to follow your opinion unless you prove it is there to follow.

p.s. I am still waiting for Raskholnikov to do this, like he promised. ;)
The topic of this tread is about opinions, not about evidence, or proving what I say, or trying to fix it. I gave my opinion. I laid out my experiences that I have had with the Foundry. I do not believe that the Foundry will ever change for the better, until those in charge hear from people like me that have not had a very good experience here. From people that have been run off by this game that goes on. You will not find out the truth about what is wrong with the Foundry from those that are on the All Star team. The game is fine just the way it is as far as they are concerned. This thread asked for opinions. ...be careful what you ask for.


I then, in the evolutionary nature of this thread, asked you to state some evidence about your concerns so that we could further investigate, better understand and try to collectively come up with a solution to the problems that have been mentioned. If you don't want to do what is needed to help that is fine, it isn't your duty. But there is no point complaining about it hoping to make it better if you aren't going to help prove your point with sufficient information.
What exactly do you want to know ? I gave my opinion, and I even backed it up with just a few examples of why my opinion is what it is.


...but I don't remember you giving a general suggestion as to how to deal with the problems that your opinion has created. That is what I meant to communicate. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.
Oh, so you want opinions about the foundry, and if the opinion is not so positive, then you want to hear other opinions that would go to make it a more positive opinion. is this correct ?
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby gimil on Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:40 pm

porky wrote:
gimil wrote:...but I don't remember you giving a general suggestion as to how to deal with the problems that your opinion has created. That is what I meant to communicate. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.

Oh, so you want opinions about the foundry, and if the opinion is not so positive, then you want to hear other opinions that would go to make it a more positive opinion. is this correct ?


No, I wanted opinions. I got plenty of opinions on a similar subject area (mostly a negative one). Now I want to have more information (or evidence) in front of me so that that opinion can be more recognised and agreed upon. One the problem is established and more agreed upon we can move to discussion ways to fix the negative aspect into a positive one.
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:50 pm

:D
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby gimil on Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:51 pm

Fixed.
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:06 pm

gimil wrote:
porky wrote:
gimil wrote:...but I don't remember you giving a general suggestion as to how to deal with the problems that your opinion has created. That is what I meant to communicate. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.

Oh, so you want opinions about the foundry, and if the opinion is not so positive, then you want to hear other opinions that would go to make it a more positive opinion. is this correct ?


No, I wanted opinions. I got plenty of opinions on a similar subject area (mostly a negative one). Now I want to have more information (or evidence) in front of me so that that opinion can be more recognised and agreed upon. One the problem is established and more agreed upon we can move to discussion ways to fix the negative aspect into a positive one.
Ok now I am really confused. I already gave my opinion of the foundry, and what I believe the problem is there. Are you now asking for my solution to the problem, or do you just want me to cite more negative experiences, that led me, to my poor opinion of the Foundry ? If that is the case, then I will bow out right now. I am not interested in slinging any more mud. I do not see anything productive down that road. Besides I have already told you what I think the main problem is.
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby MrBenn on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:09 pm

porkenbeans wrote: I have already told you what I think the main problem is.

I think what gimil is trying to ask for is solutions...
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:10 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
gimil wrote:
porky wrote:
gimil wrote:...but I don't remember you giving a general suggestion as to how to deal with the problems that your opinion has created. That is what I meant to communicate. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.

Oh, so you want opinions about the foundry, and if the opinion is not so positive, then you want to hear other opinions that would go to make it a more positive opinion. is this correct ?


No, I wanted opinions. I got plenty of opinions on a similar subject area (mostly a negative one). Now I want to have more information (or evidence) in front of me so that that opinion can be more recognised and agreed upon. One the problem is established and more agreed upon we can move to discussion ways to fix the negative aspect into a positive one.
Ok now I am really confused. I already gave my opinion of the foundry, and what I believe the problem is there. Are you now asking for my solution to the problem, or do you just want me to cite more negative experiences, that led me, to my poor opinion of the Foundry ? If that is the case, then I will bow out right now. I am not interested in slinging any more mud. I do not see anything productive down that road. Besides I have already told you what I think the main problem is.



Less questions and more solutions. How would you fix these problems is what he is asking...
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:10 pm

MrBenn wrote:
porkenbeans wrote: I have already told you what I think the main problem is.

I think what gimil is trying to ask for is solutions...



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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby MrBenn on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:15 pm

Oh, and for the record, I will not tolerate further off-topic baiting/flaming/bigotry of any nature in this thread

I think everybody needs to take a bit fat chill pill:
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby natty dread on Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:24 pm

MrBenn wrote:I think everybody needs to take a bit fat chill pill:
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*drools*

give me one of those! :D
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby captainwalrus on Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:39 am

RedBaron0 wrote:In the Foundry some projects have been tried several times to no avail. Should some of these places be maps in CC, yes, will they be? Only when the right person comes along and makes it.

:lol: :lol:
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby gimil on Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:51 am

captainwalrus wrote:
RedBaron0 wrote:In the Foundry some projects have been tried several times to no avail. Should some of these places be maps in CC, yes, will they be? Only when the right person comes along and makes it.

:lol: :lol:


I do appreciate the pun! I hope redbaron is the right person to take Japan to the very end, unlike all those other failed attempts. :)
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:31 pm

WidowMakers wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:There is at this time a "Lord of the Flies" like situation going on in the Foundry that you may not be aware of. people are secretly getting blacklisted by a very small group of power mad children. Once a person for one reason or another gets on their bad side they are dogged every where they go and harassed. The others in the Foundry for some reason do not speak up against these spoiled little brats. I do not know why, maybe out of fear or apathy, or adoration. Most of them otherwise seem to be friendly and helpful people, but if they only knew what it is like to be on the receiving end of this sick, belligerent and childish game, they would have some empathy I'm sure.


Could you please provide an example list of people who:
    1) Secretly get "blacklisted"
    2) Why you think those people were "blacklisted"
    3) Who are the "power mad children'
    4) Who are the others in the foundry

I am still very confused as to where anyone has talked about anything else BUT MAPS and all the name calling.
I have seen many bad looking maps. I don't know who the person is at first but eventually, if they keep going, I can get to know each them (in the internet sense of "know").
If I see a bad map i will post my opinion and move on. Hopefully the person is understanding enough to realize it is directed towards the art and not the person.
That is how I got to know many of the people here.

I have never had any predetermined idea about anyone. I started to make opinions about them based on the words, ideas and images they posted.
I will say that again differently.
I have never made any judgment about anyone until i have read or looked over their posts. Basically because that is impossible to do since a persons posts and images are all we see of them and their online persona.

Please try to understand.
    -People are not out to get a person for posting a map (good or bad).
    -People are not out to poke fun at individuals.
    -In the foundry people are here to make good maps.
    -People are here to provide their opinions and suggestion to the MAPS.
    -People need to understand how to differentiate criticism of a map and criticism of an individual.

Just because people don't like your map, doe snot mean they don't like you.
Don't try to make more out of something that was not originally there.

BUT.....
Once all the name calling and childish behavior and rude posts and accusations of whatever else, people start to see a better picture of the attitude behind the avatar.
It takes a long time to gain respect and trust between two people. It only takes 1 post to lose it all.


WM

WM
WM,
I'm sorry, did I accuse you of anything ?
I am quit confused by your defensive tone.
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby Raskholnikov on Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:12 pm

The Story of the Great and Sneezy Hippo (adaptation)

One day the world ended. No one really knew how, until they saw a large hippopotamus flying through the universe, coughing and sneezing miserably. The hippo had lived inside earth ever since it was created, perfectly content to snuggle up inside the hottest bit. Millions upon millions of years passed and the hippo was happier then it had ever been, feasting on magma and listening to the humans up above. It had never been fond of dinosaurs and found humans to be quite entertaining.

It listened to them in the dark ages, the light ages, the black light ages, when suddenly he couldnā€™t hear very well anymore. The center of the earth had grown cold, and the hippo had come down with the flu. Presently the hippo couldnā€™t hear a damn thing, his ears were so stuffed up. His eyes were runny, his coughs were low rumbles that shook the earth, and he had to sneeze.

A sneeze is a simple thing, unless it belongs to The Great Hippo Who Lives In the Center of the Earth. A sneeze belonging to such a hippo is a terrible thing indeed, and the hippo knew this. He tried his best to hold it in, and he succeeded for many more years. But, in the Year of Far Future (People had lost track of the date, sadly) a magma flea landed on the hippoā€™s nose. Well that did it, and the hippo could hold back no longer.

ā€œAhhh, ahhh, ahhhhhh CHOOOOOOO!ā€

And so the world was ended. Large chunks went spinning off into the blue. (Or black, or dotted, or striped, or whatever the hell you want to say it is).

The earth was ripped into tiny pieces from within, and the Poor Mighty Hippo With the Flu went flying through the universe.

The only survivors of earth were:

1. A monkey. This monkey was a strange monkey who just happened to have no need for food, sleep or air. This monkey was born to drift through the universe, and so he did.

2. A purple spotted yeti_c. What is a yeti_c? How did the yeti_c survive? Why donā€™t you ask him? Itā€™s likely that he lives in your nose, being a nose dwelling yeti_c.

3. The inhabitants of an experimental Foundry, a flying, space exploring, nearly self sustaining, 800 km high by 840 km wide by... by an as-of-yet-undertermined number of kilometers deep Borg Cube. What are the odds?

Exactly 198756432.321 to 9.

4. And the hippo.

The monkey is God knows where, (God being a woman once, before he got the change) the yeti_c is munching on a small purple moon, and the People of the Foundry are exploring the universe in search of a new home to conquer, telling everyone they encounter: "We are the Foundry. Lower your quills and surrender your maps. We will add your artistic and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your skills will adapt to service US. Resistance is futile. You SHALL be assimilated."

The End, or, ACHOO.

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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby MrBenn on Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:21 pm

Raskholnikov wrote:The Story of the Great and Sneezy Hippo (adaptation)

Interesting, albeit strangely irrelevant :lol:
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:46 pm

MrBenn wrote:
Raskholnikov wrote:The Story of the Great and Sneezy Hippo (adaptation)

Interesting, albeit strangely irrelevant :lol:
Did you mean "irreverent" ?
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby MrBenn on Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:50 pm

I meant what I said ;-)
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:03 pm

MrBenn wrote:I meant what I said ;-)
Just a little friendly sarcasm. ;)
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:46 pm

oaktown wrote:
WidowMakers wrote:Could you please provide an example list of people who:
    1) Secretly get "blacklisted"
    2) Why you think those people were "blacklisted"
    3) Who are the "power mad children'
    4) Who are the others in the foundry

Here WM, I can do this...

1) Those "blacklisted" are individual who have turned out consistently crappy products, been rebuked by the Foundry, and have been unable to complete a map.
2) The "blacklist" is a product of their own imaginations; they believe they have been blacklisted because seasoned mapmakers like to keep their club intimate... because CC mapmakers have all the hottest women and best drugs and they aren't sharing!
3) Anybody who either A) has quenched a map or B) has a Foundry title, and is critical of the work of somebody described in #1.
4) Anybody not already described in #3 or #1.

;)

But seriously, the Foundry stopped being fun for me about a year ago, so I backed away and found other things to do with my time. At first I was indignant - I wasn't going to let a few pricks ruin this experience for me, and I certainly wasn't going to let them have the pleasure of driving me out, so I stuck around and put up some fights. But you know what? It wasn't worth it, because at the end of the day the only thing that matters to me is my own peace of mind.

I suggest to all of you that if the Foundry isn't a source of FUN, leave. If you find this forum frustrating, leave. If you think the people suck, leave. If you are angry, leave. Because when you come in here with your anger and frustration, it ruins the experience for everybody else.

And to those of you who are sick to death of the insane rantings of a few unhappy souls but who want to stick around, I suggest you start making use of the Foe option. There are many posts in this thread that I can't see because I foed people months ago. Porkenbeans

That's all for me. See you all in a few months when I get curious again. :D
This just about says it all. Please read it carefully. Everything that I have been saying is proved here, in plain English.
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby WidowMakers on Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:19 pm

porkenbeans wrote:WM,
I'm sorry, did I accuse you of anything ?
I am quit confused by your defensive tone.
Did you even read my post?
I did not say you accused me. I am simply wanting answers from you as to which people, around here, fit your descriptions.

My post was also to show that we make our own impressions to others.
How we conduct ourselves, respond to posts, type posts and handle interpersonal discussions, shapes others views of what sort of person we are.

The only impressions that people can get from me, is what I do and how I represent myself.
Same goes for EVERYONE else.

WM

EDIT: Sorry I typed this while you were posting above.

So you agree with oak?
Blacklisted players make sucky maps.
I hardly think you believe that.

I want an honest answer from you please.
-What has someone done to you, to blacklist you?
-Why would someone blacklist you?

People are only blacklisted if other people, don't like them, fear them, or are sick of hearing from them.

Until we know what you are actually complaining about, what can happen?
You were not instantly "blacklisted" when you started your maps. You were here for a while.
What events took place that put you on the path to being "blacklisted" by other people?

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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:25 pm

WidowMakers wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:WM,
I'm sorry, did I accuse you of anything ?
I am quit confused by your defensive tone.
Did you even read my post?
I did not say you accused me. I am simply wanting answers from you as to which people, around here, fit your descriptions.

My post was also to show that we make our own impressions to others.
How we conduct ourselves, respond to posts, type posts and handle interpersonal discussions, shapes others views of what sort of person we are.

The only impressions that people can get from me, is what I do and how I represent myself.
Same goes for EVERYONE else.

WM

EDIT: Sorry I typed this while you were posting above.

So you agree with oak?
Blacklisted players make sucky maps.
I hardly think you believe that.

I want an honest answer from you please.
-What has someone done to you, to blacklist you?
-Why would someone blacklist you?

People are only blacklisted if other people, don't like them, fear them, or are sick of hearing from them.

Until we know what you are actually complaining about, what can happen?
You were not instantly "blacklisted" when you started your maps. You were here for a while.
What events took place that put you on the path to being "blacklisted" by other people?

WM
You want an honest answer ? Can you handle the truth ? ...Yes I agree with oak. People do indeed get blacklisted. You yourself admit this. When the A team, for whatever reason wants to shut someone down, they band together and make it so. They themselves are the self appointed judge and jury. The reasons are not important to this conversation. The fact that you and others have unwittingly admitted this, is all that, I NEED TO PROVE.

Your group is guilty of using its power as elitists, you work under the table, and behind closed doors to met out your verdicts. There is no opportunity for the accused to defend himself, as you do your business in the shadows. And then you take delight in snickering and jabbing at the poor slob that has unknown to him, been found guilty in your secret kangaroo court. Its"Lord of the flies", I tell ya. :lol:

You take what is supposed to be fun and enjoyable, and turn it into some kind of childish game, of politics and power and revenge.

You are an adult I presume ? Aren't you just a wee bit ashamed that you let children like, er, (I shouldn't say), lead you to act this way towards other people, that come here only for a little enjoyment and learn how to make maps ?

The Foundry is corrupted with power hungry and childish people, that take delight in setting on their internet thrones, and with puffed out chests, pat each other on the back, as they ramble on about how much better they are, than all the noobs. It is so pathetic I can not find the words to describe it. If you only knew how silly you look.

If all of this is NOT so, Then why do you veterans not just lend that helping hand, and move all maps that meet the requirements to beta ?

instead you use that hand as a fist to pound into submission every project that comes along. This is another reason why it takes so long to get a map through. And why the maps that do go through your process end up all looking just about the same. A crop of homogenized, and non varied, and non creative same old same o.

If a map has met the requirements, even if it has not gone through the Foundry sieve, It should be allowed to sink or swim in beta. If it sinks, then The Foundry can be there to offer their supreme guidance to make it better. Then maybe the next time it might make it into live play. That should be the function of the Foundry. ...Not this "lord of the flies" nightmare.
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby yeti_c on Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:58 pm

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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

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How is any of this crap productive or beneficial to map foundry?
This post was made by jefjef who should be on your ignore list.
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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

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How is any of this crap productive or beneficial to map foundry?


My point exactly.

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Re: What is your opinion on the foundy?

Postby MrBenn on Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:19 pm

I've been meaning to have a look through this and sort out the off-topic conversation...

It's going to be kind of difficult to do, so I'll lock it while I see what I can do. Once I've been through it all, I'll unlock it again ;-)

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