Jesus was a racist

[Jamie]

Hey flashleg8, people might take you more seriously if you didn't have a "Geico Cave Man" as your avatar

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Hey retards people might take you more seriously if you knew [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara"]what the hell you were talking about.[/url]

I think we all know who the guy in the pic is. Doesn't change the fact he still looks like the geico caveman does it. It's humor reverend. stop taking everything so seriously.

[reverend_kyle]

Hey flashleg8, people might take you more seriously if you didn't have a "Geico Cave Man" as your avatar

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Hey retards people might take you more seriously if you knew [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara"]what the hell you were talking about.[/url]

I think we all know who the guy in the pic is. Doesn't change the fact he still looks like the geico caveman does it. It's humor reverend. stop taking everything so seriously.

Wrong Again

Humor as defined by dictionary.com

comical writing or talk in general;


No one thinks you are funny. Give up.

[thelewis]

in all fairness...im im sure i might get shot down in flames here..he does actually look like an extra from planet of the apes in that photo.

(im sure its because its black n white)

[Jehan]

and here i was thinking the parable was about not stereotyping people, more about what people do then who they are, the point illistrated by the fact that the person the jews would stereotype as heathen was the one who did
Gods will, one of the points of the parable is to not stereotype people by race. ie racism.

[heavycola]

Totally missing flashleg8's point, so easy a caveman could do it.

[Titanic]

Flashlegs point is actually really relevant. Why didn he say 3 guys walked past. 1st one was rich, second one was middle class, third one was poor but still helped. He deliberately mentioned the Samaritan, as if to say "You dont expect this of them, because there normally low scum who are involved in crime etc.." Its racist to an extent, but I think he was using Samaritans as an example, rather then picking on that group as a stereotype.

[The1exile]

Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

Flashleg makes a very good point. I don't think Jesus was being deliberately racist but it certainly does show him working off the discriminations at the time, and not trying to change it (see his point about Matthew 10:5 ).

[jay_a2j]

Some people can't see the forest for the trees.

Flashleg makes a very good point. I don't think Jesus was being deliberately racist but it certainly does show him working off the discriminations at the time, and not trying to change it (see his point about Matthew 10:5 ).

And some people are so busy looking at the trees they never look down to see the deer dung they're standing in. Just as the Jehovah Witnesses claim that "The Father and I are One" means in "spirit" and not that Jesus and God are EQUAL or one in the same (which they are). Anyone can twist scripture if they try.

[heavycola]

Anyone can interpret scripture however they want.

As you have done over and over again jay... come on man, you twist Revelation to suggest that we are about to have a war with china even though there is no reference to china anywhere in the bible. You suggest that leviticus tells us that homosexuality is wrong and a sin, yet decide that the other laws therein - like not cutting your hair or wearing different threads - don't matter.
Your belief is based on your interpretation. Maybe you shouldn't be so wuick to dismiss everyone else's.

[jay_a2j]

Anyone can interpret scripture however they want.

As you have done over and over again jay... come on man, you twist Revelation to suggest that we are about to have a war with china even though there is no reference to china anywhere in the bible. You suggest that leviticus tells us that homosexuality is wrong and a sin, yet decide that the other laws therein - like not cutting your hair or wearing different threads - don't matter.
Your belief is based on your interpretation. Maybe you shouldn't be so wuick to dismiss everyone else's.

China is in scripture.... The "Army of the East" all prophecy centers around Israel. Pull out a map. You will see China is East of Israel (and capable of massing a 200 million army). That the "Army of the North" is Russia. And that the EU is the "Revived Roman Empire".


1Cor. 6:9 condemns homosexuality too, keep it official will ya?

[pancakemix]

Maybe you people need a Jewish history lesson.

In 1040 B.C., Israel was split into two kingdoms: Israel in the north, Judah in the south. The northern kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians, who moved a majority of the Israelites out of there and moved people from other conquered lands in to Israel. The Israelites left behind intermarried with the gentiles who moved in, and adopted their religious practices, while still keeping their own. Thus, Samaritan Judaism was born. Throughout their history until the time of Jesus, the Samaritans were considered half-Jews, but were unclean. No Jew was even supposed to travel through Samaria. With this parable, Jesus is pointing out that the Samaritans are better people than the Jewish religious leaders.

[heavycola]

Anyone can interpret scripture however they want.

As you have done over and over again jay... come on man, you twist Revelation to suggest that we are about to have a war with china even though there is no reference to china anywhere in the bible. You suggest that leviticus tells us that homosexuality is wrong and a sin, yet decide that the other laws therein - like not cutting your hair or wearing different threads - don't matter.
Your belief is based on your interpretation. Maybe you shouldn't be so wuick to dismiss everyone else's.

China is in scripture.... The "Army of the East" all prophecy centers around Israel. Pull out a map. You will see China is East of Israel (and capable of massing a 200 million army). That the "Army of the North" is Russia. And that the EU is the "Revived Roman Empire".


1Cor. 6:9 condemns homosexuality too, keep it official will ya?

CHINA IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE. Please link to the verse where china is mentioned.

Army of the east... India is east of israel. So is Japan, so is russia, so is anywhere if you travel far enough (we live on a globe, depsite what the bible says). My point is that YOU have decided this. Can you not see that? It is YOUR interpretation. YOURS.


You never answered me: do you obey god's divine word by never cutting your hair or by wearing polycotton blends?

[pancakemix]

It is not the law itself but the symbolism of the laws. Jesus is the law. I obey Jesus. And yes, Most scholars agree that the army of the east is china, and the army of the north is russia.

[heavycola]

It is not the law itself but the symbolism of the laws.

EXACTLY. What does a particular 'symbol' mean? Exactly what you want it to.

Most scholars agree that the army of the east is china, and the army of the north is russia.

Do they? Which scholars? Which universities are they researching at?

What about the 'rapture'? a whole bunch of nonsense based on the interpretation of the two words 'taken up' (themselves translated from hebrew-greek-english). Catholics, lutherans, baptists, pentecostalists, methodists, anglicans, presbyterians, calvinists are all reading the same bible...

[flashleg8]

Flashlegs point is actually really relevant. Why didn he say 3 guys walked past. 1st one was rich, second one was middle class, third one was poor but still helped. He deliberately mentioned the Samaritan, as if to say "You dont expect this of them, because there normally low scum who are involved in crime etc.." Its racist to an extent, but I think he was using Samaritans as an example, rather then picking on that group as a stereotype.

Yeah, that’s exactly my point - he's not being overtly racist here (i.e. preaching racial hatred or anything like that) but he uses racial stereotyping - which in my book is racist.

And to the other point raised by Jay and Heavycola that you can read anything into scripture, I completely agree - that’s why the Bible has stayed around so long - you can selectively quote it to prove what ever you want, it suits everyone!

I always wonder why Christians selectively choose what parts of the Bible to follow and ignore some, the ones supposedly "over ruled" by Jesus.

If you actually read the Bible - the parts where the Old Testament laws are overruled are really to do with Paul taking over the early Christian movement. Why do Christians put so much faith in this part? Paul/Saul was a Roman - he never met Jesus in the flesh, he was distrusted by the disciples. Paul hijacked the early movement and took it to the Gentiles and so he could preach more effectively to them he cut out the need for all the restrictive old laws (circumcision, not eating pork, animal sacrifices etc). Jesus didn't do this editing - Paul did.

[Backglass]

It's humor reverend. stop taking everything so seriously.

Evidently you didn't take "Comedy 101" at your little junior college.

[flashleg8]

in all fairness...im im sure i might get shot down in flames here..he does actually look like an extra from planet of the apes in that photo.

(im sure its because its black n white)

Something like this?

[mandalorian2298]

There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism.

Reverse racism would be if all Ku Klux Klan members started romanticly pursuing every black person they came across. It is just as bad as racisam but perhaps even more desturbing

[unriggable]

Jesus was almost racist - Hitler planned on editing the Bible to include Jesus fighting the Jews.

[flashleg8]

Jesus was almost racist - Hitler planned on editing the Bible to include Jesus fighting the Jews.

Wouldn't be the first person to edit the bible - look at all the gospels removed from "the official" canonised version.
To name but a few:- the Gospel of Thomas (possibly the oldest gospel), the Gospel of Judas (he's not such a bad guy in his version!), the Gospel of Peter (they even edited Peter's!) and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene (she was Jesus' favorite - guess what the celibate roman priests didn't like a woman being a major character)

I don't know how some people can literally follow the Bible, it's a completely different version to anything that would have been around in the early Christian Church.

[Blueoctober]

I’m posting this because something came up in one of the other religion threads (hard to keep a track of them all!) that someone said that Jesus stood for brotherly love and was against racial discrimination.

Sorry, but I don't buy this - I think the guy was clearly racist, in particular against the Samaritans.

From Jesus’ own words (recorded in Luke 10:25-37 The Parable of the Good Samaritan) we can see that Jesus was racist. This parable is often held up by some Christians to show that Jesus was against discrimination but in actual fact it clearly shows he holds racialist prejudices and is guilty of stereotyping.

In the parable a man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was robbed, stripped of his clothes, beaten and left half dead.
Jesus says a priest (obviously an upstanding member of the community at this time) and a Levite (a favoured person who would perform special religious and political duties), seen him but passed by on the other side.
Then he says “but a Samaritan, as he travelled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him”

Got that? Well let me explain – the Samaritans were an ethnic group despised by the Jews at this time. Now Jesus uses this parable to show that people should love their neighbour but to me it just shows Jesus held racist stereotypes. First he has two people who are supposed to be good/clean/respectable pass by then he has someone who is supposed to not be good/clean/respectable doing the helping – if he wasn’t racist why did he use Samaritans in this example? Why would a Samaritan person not stop and help? Are they some how morally inferior to the first two people? They wouldn't stop to help a half dead man?
What he's really saying is that you should love all your neighbours no matter how bad they are, but he’s not saying Samaritans aren’t bad!

Let me put the parable another way. A guy gets robbed, left at the roadside etc and a doctor sees him but walks by, then a policeman sees him but walks by, but a black man stops to help him. Whoa, you could see that would clearly be racist – by stating this in the parable I am exposing prejudices against black people.

Get it?

first off i am not a christian

this story shows that a man who is "despised" by jews sees a jew and helps him

a kkk member gets robbed yadda yadda and a cop and doctor walk by but a black guy helps him thats how the story goes. it shows how people should help one another not whites should help whites or blacks help blacks

way to take a good story and amke it racist you asshole

[AnimePhreak]

That passage doesn't tell that Jesus was a racist.

However, Christians who have developed less and less understanding of the Islamic culture and are rather intimidated/hostile against them.

It doesn't mean that Jesus was the same.

You are reading from the New Testament, it might be translated badly.

PS I am neither Christian or Muslim, I believe in the holy religion of ATHEISM

[flashleg8]

However, Christians who have developed less and less understanding of the Islamic culture and are rather intimidated/hostile against them.

Agreed.

You are reading from the New Testament, it might be translated badly.

I thought Christians believed that God had a hand in the translation to make it perfect.

Anyway, welcome to the site!

[2dimes]

The story updated would be more like. A church going American Republican is on mission in mexico on a sunday. As he walked he was eating some freedom fries, thinking of the dirty French who didn't help out in Iraq.

He's robed and hurt really bad. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side because it was sunday and he couldn't work. So too, a Californian, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.

But a secularized homosexual French man wearing a "Kim Jong Ill" crop top t-shirt, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and said in his thick accent, "Oh you poor thing, I'll help you hunny." he then bandaged his wounds, pouring peroxide on them and using antiseptic ointment. Then he put the man on his own pink adult sized tricycle decorated with phallis, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

[heavycola]

a secularized homosexual French man wearing a "Kim Jong Ill" crop top t-shirt

Aren't they just the worst?