MAFIA - X-Men Legends [Game over -- Town wins!]

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:54 am

I agree with Rev about waiting with the SK.

Also, FOS Red Bull. He's either just a plain noob, or a noob mafia. Take look at his posts...he always seems to be trying to stray us away with some thought...that is rather unbacked up.

I've also noticed some interesting little 'alliances' (for lack of a better term) going on...and am I interested in how that acts together.

Regarding me knowing MB's investigation, I'm still sure I know, but I'd like to see some subtle confirmation from the party that it is alright to clarify further. Don't want to be getting anyone killed

--Andy

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:58 am

AndyDufresne wrote:I agree with Rev about waiting with the SK.

Also, FOS Red Bull. He's either just a plain noob, or a noob mafia. Take look at his posts...he always seems to be trying to stray us away with some thought...that is rather unbacked up.

agreed

Regarding me knowing MB's investigation, I'm still sure I know, but I'd like to see some subtle confirmation from the party that it is alright to clarify further. Don't want to be getting anyone killed

I'm getting a thought, about a role now. Maybe the investigation isn't a clue we could find.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:06 am

Bed time now. Goodnight.

--Andy

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:49 am

andy leaves me wanting to know more.. come back.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:52 am

Machiavelli wrote:The game cant end with a serial killer left.

The standard win condition for a SK is to be the last one standing. If the game ended as soon as all the mafia were eliminated it would be literally impossible for the SK to win, because eventually it would have to get down to just one mafia and the SK, and then they would both kill each other.

hmmmm.... good point.. unless it's the SK's win condition which is twisted. maybe he wins if he eliminates all townies - so if all remaining are mafia and third parties perhaps. As I type this, it is sounding more convoluted to me, so I am beginning to see your point, but I think making decisions based on who believes in a SK or not might be a little too misguided.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:54 am

Nyvek wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Maybe AK gave him the results of his investigation before he processed the Mafia’s “to do list.”

OK.. off topic, totally useless and borderline spam.. but I loved the expression - not bad noob!

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:58 am

I too am of the opinion that we have no Serial Killers in this game. Mainly for the reasons already stated.

We have 4 deaths so far in one Day/Night Phase. Kills came from a possible Day Vigilante, the Lynch, and possibly 2 mafia family kills.

I think we did good by lynching XenHu yesterday since he turned up to be blue and not protown green.

HoussamTheGreat · Post by **HoussamTheGreat** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:03 am

autoload wrote: I think we did good by lynching XenHu yesterday since he turned up to be blue and not protown green.

ACtually I think it could not have gone better for us so far. The only thing that worries me is that we haven't quite understood the dynamics yet which means we can't strategize. But I guess with 25 players, that is expected. I am not sure about the 2 mafia families yet (although I heavily suspect it) - but last night's kills were not consistent. but then again, maybe our doctor(s) were busy...

vgmmaster · Post by **vgmmaster** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:36 am

This is what I'm thinking at the moment.

Mach's accusation that there is no SK makes sense. Going off of the win condition, Mach would be correct as it says that we are to kill all mafia members and there is no reference to an SK. However, being the experienced player that Mach is, he could be manipulating this seemingly simple info to his advantage.

Also, I want to bring this to attention as well.

Machiavelli wrote: The game cant end with a serial killer left.

You are 100% wrong in this. I will tell you why. I was the SK in a game before (different game then the one I mentioned already). Now, in that game, three people remained, the SK, a mason, and the final mafia member. The SK and the mason lynched the final mafia member and the SK killed the mason which resulted in the SK's win.

I'd give you a link to the game, but the forum is private, so linking to it here will not do us any good. But the SK can win mafia games. It's just difficult for them to do so.

Another thing to mention. Red Bull has mentioned that he knows Fircoal is innocent. Either A) he believes that, but doesn't really know for sure, B) he's a cop of some sort, C) they're both mafia, or D) they're both masons.

Personally, lynching either Red Bull or Fircoal may be the best option. If Red Bull is a mason or a sane cop, it clears Fircoal's name. If he's mafia, then Fircoal is mafia.

Puff · Post by **Puff** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:08 am

vgmmaster wrote:This is what I'm thinking at the moment.

Mach's accusation that there is no SK makes sense. Going off of the win condition, Mach would be correct as it says that we are to kill all mafia members and there is no reference to an SK. However, being the experienced player that Mach is, he could be manipulating this seemingly simple info to his advantage.

Also, I want to bring this to attention as well.

Machiavelli wrote: The game cant end with a serial killer left.
You are 100% wrong in this. I will tell you why. I was the SK in a game before (different game then the one I mentioned already). Now, in that game, three people remained, the SK, a mason, and the final mafia member. The SK and the mason lynched the final mafia member and the SK killed the mason which resulted in the SK's win.

I'd give you a link to the game, but the forum is private, so linking to it here will not do us any good. But the SK can win mafia games. It's just difficult for them to do so.

Another thing to mention. Red Bull has mentioned that he knows Fircoal is innocent. Either A) he believes that, but doesn't really know for sure, B) he's a cop of some sort, C) they're both mafia, or D) they're both masons.

Personally, lynching either Red Bull or Fircoal may be the best option. If Red Bull is a mason or a sane cop, it clears Fircoal's name. If he's mafia, then Fircoal is mafia.

That is a very good point but if it goes wrong and Red Bull is a cop then we wasted another day.

So the safest way to prove your theory is to Vote Fircoal

This way if we're wrong we didn't lynch a cop (hopefully)

red bull · Post by **red bull** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:33 am

ok i cant really back anything up im sorry i cant. its just what i think and how he is acting,{fircoal} i still have no clues who is in the mafia i have some thoughts as to who is in it but i think i will not get a clear view untill the next day. but right now it does not look like i will make it

but i do know that the pro town needs to keep fircoal alive

Puff · Post by **Puff** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:46 am

red bull wrote:ok i cant really back anything up im sorry i cant. its just what i think and how he is acting,{fircoal} i still have no clues who is in the mafia i have some thoughts as to who is in it but i think i will not get a clear view untill the next day. but right now it does not look like i will make it but i do know that the pro town needs to keep fircoal alive

That was a very confusing post

. Also I would like to know why we should keep Fircoal alive

red bull · Post by **red bull** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:47 am

because i really think he is a help to the town

Puff · Post by **Puff** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:48 am

red bull wrote:because i really think he is a help to the town

What has he said for you to think this. please find the quote.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:51 am

So, I have decided: I will vote for Fircoal or red bull to clean this doubt. Any of them looks fine to me. What you guys think?

Fircoal, what can you say about yourself or red bull?

vgmmaster · Post by **vgmmaster** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:53 am

As Red Bull has the hunch, it may be better if we lynch Fircoal (according to Puff).

However, Fircoal is more experienced then Red Bull which makes me want to lean toward keeping Fircoal and eliminating Red Bull.

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:02 pm

vgmmaster wrote:Also, I want to bring this to attention as well.

Machiavelli wrote: The game cant end with a serial killer left.
You are 100% wrong in this. I will tell you why. I was the SK in a game before (different game then the one I mentioned already). Now, in that game, three people remained, the SK, a mason, and the final mafia member. The SK and the mason lynched the final mafia member and the SK killed the mason which resulted in the SK's win.

You completely took this out of context. Houssam was saying that it doesnt matter if a sk is alive at the end of the game, as long as all the mafia are . I was telling him that even if all the mafia are , the game can not end if there is still a SK left.

dussle · Post by **dussle** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:05 pm

My belief is that red bull is a stupid mafia or a stupid cop, and I think we should lynch him to find out which, so that we can clear Fircoal. If he turns out to be mafia, there's two more dead right there. I think it's worth the risk.
vote red bull

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:05 pm

Machiavelli wrote:
HoussamTheGreat wrote:
Machiavelli wrote: CAREFULLY reread the pm you got that told you your role, and then answer again.
Mac,
I know what you are saying but I don't agree with it. It might just be that the town in this game does not really care whether there is a SK or not? Do you understand what I mean? In any case, I think whthere there is one or not is immaterial.
The game cant end with a serial killer left.

The standard win condition for a SK is to be the last one standing. If the game ended as soon as all the mafia were eliminated it would be literally impossible for the SK to win, because eventually it would have to get down to just one mafia and the SK, and then they would both kill each other.

Here is the whole post, FOS vgmmaster for try to say I was wrong, when I was right (like always

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Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:07 pm

dussle wrote:My belief is that red bull is a stupid mafia or a stupid cop, and I think we should lynch him to find out which, so that we can clear Fircoal. If he turns out to be mafia, there's two more right there. I think it's worth the risk.
vote red bull

HOLD UP!

FOS DUSSLE

Why would you lynch someone if you think they could be the cop?

We already lost 1 cop, you would risk losing the second?

You just jumped into my top 5 most suspicious people list.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:08 pm

Do we really want to take the chance on losing a potential cop though? I'm of the thought it would be better to lynch Fircoal. Fircoal, what do you have to say about all this???

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:10 pm

Dussle, I see what you're saying, but Fircoal seems the way to go to me, not red bull.

red bull · Post by **red bull** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:17 pm

if your going to lynch one of us pick wisly thats all i have to say........

autoload · Post by **autoload** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:17 pm

dussle wrote:My belief is that red bull is a stupid mafia or a stupid cop, and I think we should lynch him to find out which, so that we can clear Fircoal. If he turns out to be mafia, there's two more dead right there. I think it's worth the risk.
vote red bull

People who have played Andy's last game with me should know what a horrendously bad idea it is to lynch a suspected cop to "Check things out". I advise against it...

Machiavelli · Post by **Machiavelli** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:19 pm

red bull wrote:if your going to lynch one of us pick wisly thats all i have to say........

So you are mafia but he is not is what you're saying?