insatiable & Killer dealer [cleared]

by **Squirly** on Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:28 am

Accused:

insatiable
killer dealer

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
or at least
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

These 2 who coincidentally both reside in Singapore and have played in 29 non-team games together.
Killer Dealer has managed to win 18 of 29
Insatiable has won 3 of 29.
that's 21 of 29 games, pretty improbable.

they have partnered in doubles 16 times
they have played in 29 other team games and are always on the same team.

they currently have 8 active/waiting games, 2 of which are not team games.

I became curious because I just played against them in a doubles game on City Mogul. My partner was eliminated in round 1. The game was over, I did not attack, they found me in round 3, game over in round 3.
Then I get a pretty bad rating from both of them. I thought that was odd so I looked into their history together and it looks like a multi or at the least some secret alliance BS.
I admit I was silent and did not have anything to say in the chat but it was an uneventful 3round 1 sided game.

I pm'd both to ask for an explanation. Killer Dealer said he made a mistake and withdrew the rating but insatiable replied tby telling me that I stalled the game when I realized I had lost. ???

I hate filing these reports but every now and then it just seems like the right thing to do

by **40kguy** on Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:24 am

coud you please show us the games and sometimes people are friends and one is better than the other and people like to play team games together

by **Squirly** on Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:07 am

40kguy wrote:coud you please show us the games and sometimes people are friends and one is better than the other and people like to play team games together

there are 29 non team games.

by **insatiable** on Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:51 pm

I beat this Squirly "silent sore loser" in 3 rounds.
Then i rated him accordingly, 5-5-2, as he stalled & was silent.
(Attitude: below average = 2)
His teammate got 5-4-5 (Friendly tag; 4 stars for being eliminated in Rd1).

He went down on his knees & begged me to remove the rating.
But when i didn't oblige, he went crying, called me "pathetic" etc & filed this report.

Next time, try calling yourself a "pathetic sore loser"! It might do you some good...

by **40kguy** on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:12 pm

well if he was a multi why would he remove one rating on one account and not the other so a multi shoud be out of the question

by **Squirly** on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:19 pm

40kguy wrote:well if he was a multi why would he remove one rating on one account and not the other so a multi shoud be out of the question

why do you care?

look at the 1st post, I said multi or Secret alliance

and for the record I got a pm from one of them and they withdrew both ratings and asked me to please erase this report.

by **ooge** on Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:05 pm

I have played on teams with both of them,were chat was exchanged they are not multis.

by **insatiable** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:20 am

gcwca_4_life wrote:There isn't even any game links in this bullshit thread.

Learn to use game finder idiot. If you don't, you make pointless, yet stupid post like this in C&A.

Good day.

Agreed.

by **Captain_Scarlet** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:05 am

insatiable wrote:
gcwca_4_life wrote:There isn't even any game links in this bullshit thread.

Learn to use game finder idiot. If you don't, you make pointless, yet stupid post like this in C&A.

Good day.

Agreed.

pretty desperate when you are copying quotes from another thread criticising you and trying to make it look like they agree with you

by **BoganGod** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:50 am

Can the mods revoke insatiable's forum and postings rights, at least until he/she/it has the sense to be able to fill a form in correctly, post links, learn to count... and research things carefully. Otherwise we can look forward to cheating and abuse threads for every second person that beats him/her/it and/or gives a bad rating. Clearly an only child, and not used to anything but adoring worship from all :roll:

Would foe, but then would miss out on these well thought out accusations.

by **hwhrhett** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:14 pm

i looked through their games, i doubt they are multis, and secret alliance may be a lil too strong of a word.....

but it sure seems to me that they definately show a bit of favoritism towards one another in non-team games...

winning a whopping 72% of singles games in each of them, is a lil shocking... quite a few times other players get angry at insatiable for 'suiciding', most of the recent ones killer dealer wins, while their first few singles games together have more reasonable statistics... more often than not it appears that insatiable is the last person to be killed by killer dealer...

definately suspicious.. definately....

worth looking into by a someone with more time to pour through logs than i have..

im betting this results in a firm block...

by **jefjef** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:27 pm

If cleared of MULTI then a BLOCK is for sure in order..............

by **hwhrhett** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:30 pm

jefjef wrote:If cleared of MULTI then a BLOCK is for sure in order..............

none of the evidence suggests that they are multis... but definately looks like some favoritism is in play here...

by **ooge** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:02 pm

This is a sad case of clan members ganging up on individuals,If this is allowed to continue on this site.This will frustrate players to the point of quiting.Leaving only bullies left to play with each other.....Then again maybe thats what they want.TO play with each other.

by **jefjef** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:11 pm

ooge wrote:This is a sad case of clan members ganging up on individuals,If this is allowed to continue on this site.This will frustrate players to the point of quiting.Leaving only bullies left to play with each other.....Then again maybe thats what they want.TO play with each other.

What?????

by **The Neon Peon** on Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:25 pm

Am I the only person here who did not immediately realize this is a joke thread? (seems that way from the replies)

Squirly wrote:Accused:

insatiable
killer dealer

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
or at least
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

These 2 who coincidentally both reside in Singapore and have played in 29 non-team games together.
Killer Dealer has managed to win 18 of 29
Insatiable has won 3 of 29.
that's 21 of 29 games, pretty improbable.

they have partnered in doubles 16 times
they have played in 29 other team games and are always on the same team.

they currently have 8 active/waiting games, 2 of which are not team games.

I became curious because I just played against them in a doubles game on City Mogul. My partner was eliminated in round 1. The game was over, I did not attack, they found me in round 3, game over in round 3.
Then I get a pretty bad rating from both of them. I thought that was odd so I looked into their history together and it looks like a multi or at the least some secret alliance BS.
I admit I was silent and did not have anything to say in the chat but it was an uneventful 3round 1 sided game.

I pm'd both to ask for an explanation. Killer Dealer said he made a mistake and withdrew the rating but insatiable replied tby telling me that I stalled the game when I realized I had lost. ???

I hate filing these reports but every now and then it just seems like the right thing to do

insatiable wrote:Accused:

Squirly
stringybeany

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
or at least
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Both of them coincidentally reside in USA and have played in 90 Standard games together.
Squirly has managed to win 16
stringybeany has also won 16.
now, wouldn't you say that it's pretty coincidental.
(that's not counting their one-on-one)

They have partnered in Doubles 75 times , Triples 18 times & Quads 5 times.
They are always in the SAME team except for a Triple & a Quad (when they were NEW).
There are also 8 one-on-one games, for whatever reasons (suspect: point adjustment/familiarization).
Coincidentally, evenly spread at 2 wins each.

They currently have 9 active/waiting games, 4 of which are one-on-one games.
That's a total of 208 MOSTLY PRIVATE games.

So i checked out their STANDARD games which either 1 of them won & i noticed the following patterns:
1. always PRIVATE games, except when they were new (first few games)
2. always ESCALATING spoils, also except first few games

TACTICS:
1. Attack each other, just for "show"/easy cards
2. Eliminate the other towards the END of the game when you can win it. Get his ESCALATING spoils & kill everyone else, preferably (most of the time), within the same last turn, or
3. Kill everybody else first, then sort it out amongst themselves.

E.g.
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... full_log=Y
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... full_log=Y
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... full_log=Y
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... full_log=Y
and many many more... NON-CLAN!

That dirty SOB said "I hate filing these reports but every now and then it just seems like the right thing to do." Right thing to do?? So upright & righteous?? "The right thing to do" is to look into the mirror & spit at the person looking back at you!

by **Captain_Scarlet** on Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:49 am

ooge wrote:This is a sad case of clan members ganging up on individuals,If this is allowed to continue on this site.This will frustrate players to the point of quiting.Leaving only bullies left to play with each other.....Then again maybe thats what they want.TO play with each other.

just curious - you never posted before till this thread

by **Squirly** on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:17 am

The Neon Peon wrote:Am I the only person here who did not immediately realize this is a joke thread? (seems that way from the replies)

It's not a joke.

by **jefjef** on Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:44 am

Squirly wrote:
The Neon Peon wrote:Am I the only person here who did not immediately realize this is a joke thread? (seems that way from the replies)

It's not a joke.

It isn't a joke. Many of us would love to see Killer exposed & punished for who & what he seems to be.

by **andy_is_awesome** on Tue Sep 15, 2009 11:11 am

29 out of 253 games for insatiable?
29 out of 537 games for killer dealer?

And that's grounds for accusing of multi ???????

If that's the case, I could probably accuse half the players on this site of being multi.
Sounds like a case of one player being bitter at another player.

Evidence in my opinion is underwhelming

by **hwhrhett** on Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:47 pm

andy_is_awesome wrote:29 out of 253 games for insatiable?
29 out of 537 games for killer dealer?

And that's grounds for accusing of multi ???????

If that's the case, I could probably accuse half the players on this site of being multi.
Sounds like a case of one player being bitter at another player.

Evidence in my opinion is underwhelming

EVIDENCE:

killer dealer wins 36% of all standard games he is in....
killer dealer wins 67% of standard games that he is in with insatiable
killer dealer also plays team games with insatiable.
insatiable wins 30% of all standard games he is in....
insatiable only wins 10% of standard games that he is in with killer dealer

those stats arent from a short specimen either, killer dealer has won 21 out of the 31 games he has played with insatiable that werent team games...

i dont think they are multis, and i doubt there is a formal 'secret alliance', but there is a great case to be made here for favoritism

now, we can compare that to a recent similar complaint made by insatiable that stringybeany and squirly are doing the same thing. here is what the stats show on that front:

squirly wins 25% of all of his singles games
squirly only wins 19% of the singles games when he is playing against stringybeany

stringybeany wins 27% of all of his singles games
stringybeany only wins 21% of the singles games when he is playing against squirly.

they actually do worse, but the difference is not large, not twice as many wins like with killer dealer and insatiable.

by **Slaylark** on Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Wow, unbelievable ganging up on Killer and Insate.. they are both individuals, with different tactics. I played against and with both of them and can tell you they are different. They are good and funny and don't get all serious like this thread is getting. This is a game that they play like us and happen to be friends. Get off of their backs, get a life. Take the loss and suck it up... No one likes a cheater but you are way out of line and should stick with your day job. Investigating is not your fortay.... Please apologize to Killer and Insate, or you should be blocked from using this forum and maybe the game... good luck in your future endeavors, but don't waste another minute on this subject..... Peace.....

by **king achilles** on Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:53 am

First, they are not multi accounts with each other. I see the history of the reported as being one of the basis for the accusation. Statistics of a winning percentage when someone plays with the same person may convey something, but it does not necessarily or automatically mean that there is some shady business going on. Do you want to put a limit on how many times you can only play with the same player because if you win "many times", you are automatically cheating? It's like in almost certainty, you will be reported in this forum because you have played 'too many times' with the same player.

For this case, until we see strong evidence that these two are having a secret alliance together, they are cleared of this case.

This shall remain locked so we can all move on from this.