If you haven't seen the birth certificate.....

[Phatscotty]

Why the F would you defend something you've never seen? never been released to you? all you have is a politician/lawyers word(how you think a politician/lawyer is trustworthy is beyond me).

What we don't know - if the birth certificate exists(you CAN NOT say it does for sure if you haven't seen it)

What we do know - He has a Kenyan/muslim name, and was raised in mulsim countries until he was 10

AS of this moment you defenders are going on BLIND FAITH, and that is VERY DANGEROUS

What we know is that you are an idiot.....

nice response to simple 100% facts

If they were facts, but read above.

Your assertions are now bordering on treason. Obama is our president. Trying to oust him from office on such frivolous and already considered and dismissed grounds, were anyone actually listening to you, could be grounds for treason allegations.

Yeah, ok. WE can put my assertion that nobody has seen his birth certificate right next to your "assasinate bush" t-shirt

[hecter]

OMG, a picture, of A STAMP? nothing else, just a stamp. WOW well, there you have it, a stamp, a plain old stamp. more concrete evidence of what a STAMP looks like

Sorry, that was the seal, stamp was found in a link I posted:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/ ... cate_9.jpg
See, the fact of the matter is, you don't like Obama so you're desperately grasping at straws. It's pathetic. It's been proven time and time again. You will not be satisfied. "OH MY GAWD! Pictures! Concrete evidence!" Well, if I had eye-witness accounts, video and/or photographic evidence and reports from your principle that you went to "special" school and wore a helmet at all times, then ya, I bet everybody would believe me. I got some pretty concrete evidence.

[Phatscotty]

OMG, a picture, of A STAMP? nothing else, just a stamp. WOW well, there you have it, a stamp, a plain old stamp. more concrete evidence of what a STAMP looks like

Sorry, that was the seal, stamp was found in a link I posted:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/ ... cate_9.jpg
See, the fact of the matter is, you don't like Obama so you're desperately grasping at straws. It's pathetic. It's been proven time and time again. You will not be satisfied. "OH MY GAWD! Pictures! Concrete evidence!" Well, if I had eye-witness accounts, video and/or photographic evidence and reports from your principle that you went to "special" school and wore a helmet at all times, then ya, I bet everybody would believe me. I got some pretty concrete evidence.

Dude, you are just wrong about everything. I for one, do not think Obama has had enough time for me to form my opinion. I am not grasping straws LOL. I'm only saying, why do you defend something you have never seen?

[Blinkadyblink]

it's actually debate 101. name calling and spell checking, epic loss.

god you are stupid

you are a moron.

Epic loss.

[Phatscotty]

it's actually debate 101. name calling and spell checking, epic loss.

god you are stupid

you are a moron.

Epic loss.

its ok if they call you stupid, then you prove to them they are stupid, to call them stupid. it is also ok when someone calls you a moron, and then prove they are a moron, and then call them a moron. what the f*ck is wrong with you people? seriously

[Phatscotty]

See, iv'e said over and over again, I am not one who thinks Obama was born in a foreign country

[Blinkadyblink]

it's actually debate 101. name calling and spell checking, epic loss.

god you are stupid

you are a moron.

Epic loss.

its ok if they call you stupid, then you prove to them they are stupid, to call them stupid. it is also ok when someone calls you a moron, and then prove they are a moron, and then call them a moron. what the f*ck is wrong with you people? seriously

It's not the namecalling, it's the hypocrisy that's the problem. It's fine to call people stupid, as long as you didn't just get through telling them not to call people stupid.

[Phatscotty]

some people are stupid, and i reserve the right to say so. name calling as response to an argument is something different, such as "well anyone who doesnt beleive god exists is stupid" what can you do with that? lol AS of right now, I have been following all the links on here, trying to see where the picture is. someone should be able to provide a clear picture, please, just 1, not 10. If i see it, I am not changing anything i do or how i think. Will be happy to shut the birthers up, because they are simply distraced with this issue

[Blinkadyblink]

So what I'm getting from this is that it's okay for you to call people stupid because those people are stupid (or else you wouldn't say so,) but no one can call you stupid because obviously you aren't.

And this thread is filled with clear pictures, what more do you want?

[Phatscotty]

So what I'm getting from this is that it's okay for you to call people stupid because those people are stupid (or else you wouldn't say so,) but no one can call you stupid because obviously you aren't.

And this thread is filled with clear pictures, what more do you want?

no clear pictures yet. i looked at them, they are pictures of pictures from newspaper, pictures of stamp, pictures of his certificate of live birth (with no serial # might i add) they can call me stupid and they do. i let the readers decide. if this is "idiocracy" i will lose, if someone reads it point-counterpoint, shit most responses dont even have anyhting to do with the previous one

[captainwalrus]

And what proof do you have he was born in kenya?

[Phatscotty]

I've never heard anyone say obama was born in kenya

[spurgistan]

I've never heard anyone say obama was born in kenya

I hear the current country in vogue among birthers is Belgium. Stupid Belgians.

But seriously, how can you explain a birth announcement on the day he was born in Hawaii except to say that he was born in Hawaii?

And with that stunning bit of logic, I pronounce this done.

[PLAYER57832]

See, iv'e said over and over again, I am not one who thinks Obama was born in a foreign country

Then what, exactly is your problem with this? I doubt you have seen many birth certificates but your kids and perhaps your own.

Why the F would you defend something you've never seen? never been released to you? all you have is a politician/lawyers word(how you think a politician/lawyer is trustworthy is beyond me).

What we don't know - if the birth certificate exists(you CAN NOT say it does for sure if you haven't seen it)

What we do know - He has a Kenyan/muslim name, and was raised in mulsim countries until he was 10

AS of this moment you defenders are going on BLIND FAITH, and that is VERY DANGEROUS

sorry, but this sure sounds like racist, anti-Muslim trolling, adding in a good deal of general idiocy too boot!

[Blinkadyblink]

no clear pictures yet. i looked at them, they are pictures of pictures from newspaper, pictures of stamp, pictures of his certificate of live birth (with no serial # might i add) they can call me stupid and they do. i let the readers decide. if this is "idiocracy" i will lose, if someone reads it point-counterpoint, shit most responses dont even have anyhting to do with the previous one

From what I've seen they're perfectly clear. A certificate of live birth may not be the same thing as a birth certificate (or it may, I haven't been able to find an answer to that,) but it would not have been issued had Obama not been born in Hawaii. The serial number was blacked out probably to protect privacy, but I don't claim to know what the law is in this situation. Anyway, what difference does it make? If the certificate was forged, how hard would it be to forge the serial number as well?

[PLAYER57832]

no clear pictures yet. i looked at them, they are pictures of pictures from newspaper, pictures of stamp, pictures of his certificate of live birth (with no serial # might i add) they can call me stupid and they do. i let the readers decide. if this is "idiocracy" i will lose, if someone reads it point-counterpoint, shit most responses dont even have anyhting to do with the previous one

From what I've seen they're perfectly clear. A certificate of live birth may not be the same thing as a birth certificate (or it may, I haven't been able to find an answer to that,) but it would not have been issued had Obama not been born in Hawaii. The serial number was blacked out probably to protect privacy, but I don't claim to know what the law is in this situation. Anyway, what difference does it make? If the certificate was forged, how hard would it be to forge the serial number as well?

A certificate of live birth is the technical name for a birth certificate in most states.

[Frigidus]

I haven't seen any president's birth certificate. I have to assume that the legions of people that dig up every single detail of a person's life would have noticed something so obvious. The birther movement isn't about truth, it's about racism (and I don't throw that word around as liberally as some).

[Blinkadyblink]

A certificate of live birth is the technical name for a birth certificate in most states.

Thanks.

[Phatscotty]

I dont care about the stupid birthcertificate! I am simply asking why some people would so vehemently defend something they have never seen

[Nobunaga]

... McCain, and before him Hillary had people looking into this. They turned up nothing untoward.

... And if anybody would have found something it would have been Hillary.

...

[mpjh]

I have seen it. It looks fine, just like mine that my mother got in Honolulu 62 years ago.

[Phatscotty]

... McCain, and before him Hillary had people looking into this. They turned up nothing untoward.

... And if anybody would have found something it would have been Hillary.

...

I don't think so. I think Hillary was a schill cuz there was no way in hell America could possibly elect the wife of the guy who was prez before the guy who was prez at the time, who was also the son of the prez before the prez whos wife was on the IN on making Obama look good. it's standard "whats best for the party" but I can't believe Democrats seriously would have allowed Americas leader list to go "bush, clinton, bush, clinton" and I would bet another small fortune this never even occured to them . The muslim name, also just way too convenient.

[Snorri1234]

I dont care about the stupid birthcertificate! I am simply asking why some people would so vehemently defend something they have never seen

Because they trust other people who have.

Also, they see your attempts at disguising your true agenda for what they are.

[PLAYER57832]

The muslim name, also just way too convenient.

What an interesting comment.

No bearing on any prejudice you might hold, "of course".

[Simon Viavant]

The muslim name, also just way too convenient.

In other words you're a trolling, racist, moronic prick?