Obamunism

[Mr_Adams]

So, I was browsing the internet and saw that a poll on facebook shows that 75.7% of facebookers are against Obama's socialized healthcare. 20.9% are for, and 3.4% are undecided. I was just curious, what do you think, Conquerclub? Should America go European on healthcare?

[King Berzerker]

obama os a bad prez.

[PLAYER57832]

So, I was browsing the internet and saw that a poll on facebook shows that 75.7% of facebookers are against Obama's socialized healthcare. 20.9% are for, and 3.4% are undecided. I was just curious, what do you think, Conquerclub? Should America go European on healthcare?

The irony is most of those reponders probably already have "socialized healthcare" .. either in the form of an HMO (which mimic socialized medicine, but puts the profits in the pockets of executives instead of taxpayers), or in the form of medicare.

[King Berzerker]

So, I was browsing the internet and saw that a poll on facebook shows that 75.7% of facebookers are against Obama's socialized healthcare. 20.9% are for, and 3.4% are undecided. I was just curious, what do you think, Conquerclub? Should America go European on healthcare?

The irony is most of those reponders probably already have "socialized healthcare" .. either in the form of an HMO (which mimic socialized medicine, but puts the profits in the pockets of executives instead of taxpayers), or in the form of medicare.

taxpayers have never been paid profits on anything ever... ever. they, we never will.

[Frigidus]

I'm for universal health care. If you don't have a right to not die of simple, treatable diseases then something is messed up with your system. And seriously, stop calling it socialized medicine. If you're going to try to manipulate people, why not just go all the way and call it "The People's Great FASCIST Pinko Flag Burning Medicine"

[Mr_Adams]

and what would you have me call the redistribution of wealth through taxes and government benifits? I call 'em how I see 'em.

[jsholty4690]

I'm against it, why because government never stops growing. First its Health Care, of course I mean there are 36 million people uninsured (see link for why 36 mil.), who wouldn't want to help those people. But whats next? House insurance? Down in New Orleans after Katrina nobody got the money they deserved. Car insurance? Sure everybody that has an accident will now know that they can get their car fixed by the government? Before you know it the government will control all insurance then what's next the banks? the car industry? Ooops they are already there.

Our founding fathers put growth limitations for our government in the constitution. They knew that all governments given the chance will turn tyrannical. That's why we have checks and balances.

Somewhere along the line we as a country have forgotten that life is a bitch. No we don't get what we deserve. And we defintely don't always get what we want (See Rolling Stones song). I don't think it's fair that CEOs make millions while the single mom struggles day to day to support herself and her kids. But, as the old saying goes you cannot make a poor man rich by making a rich man poor. And I can't wait to debate you on that.

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[Timminz]

Even though I'm not from the USA, I'm against it. Why should you guys get to keep up with the rest of the wealthy, industrialized world. I enjoy the smug satisfaction of knowing that my country treats it's citizens better than yours does.

[PLAYER57832]

So, I was browsing the internet and saw that a poll on facebook shows that 75.7% of facebookers are against Obama's socialized healthcare. 20.9% are for, and 3.4% are undecided. I was just curious, what do you think, Conquerclub? Should America go European on healthcare?

The irony is most of those reponders probably already have "socialized healthcare" .. either in the form of an HMO (which mimic socialized medicine, but puts the profits in the pockets of executives instead of taxpayers), or in the form of medicare.

taxpayers have never been paid profits on anything ever... ever. they, we never will.

True, but a technicality, because what would be profit for a private corporation is simply a reduction in cost for taxpayers.

And yes, government gives us plenty of those.

[King Berzerker]

So, I was browsing the internet and saw that a poll on facebook shows that 75.7% of facebookers are against Obama's socialized healthcare. 20.9% are for, and 3.4% are undecided. I was just curious, what do you think, Conquerclub? Should America go European on healthcare?

The irony is most of those reponders probably already have "socialized healthcare" .. either in the form of an HMO (which mimic socialized medicine, but puts the profits in the pockets of executives instead of taxpayers), or in the form of medicare.

taxpayers have never been paid profits on anything ever... ever. they, we never will.

True, but a technicality, because what would be profit for a private corporation is simply a reduction in cost for taxpayers.

And yes, government gives us plenty of those.

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

[Woodruff]

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

If that were true, then military commissaries wouldn't be the tremendous bargain for military personnel that they are.

[luns101]

I love Mr. Adam's new avatar!

[King Berzerker]

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

If that were true, then military commissaries wouldn't be the tremendous bargain for military personnel that they are.

good point... but wut about all the other stuff they overpay for?

[Mr_Adams]

E.G. Paved roads. The national Park Service pays workers almost TWICE what they are payed on private jobs. (they also won't allow asphalt to be mixed on park property, so pre-mixed asphalt has to be moved in. Very inefficient, all because of Beurocratic bull crap)

[Mr_Adams]

I love Mr. Adam's new avatar!

I've actualy become fond of the picture. it is humorous.

[King Berzerker]

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

If that were true, then military commissaries wouldn't be the tremendous bargain for military personnel that they are.

actually as i think about this isnt the px a private company that moves retail to military personell with exclusive rights to base access?

[got tonkaed]

and what would you have me call the redistribution of wealth through taxes and government benifits? I call 'em how I see 'em.

For what its worth, this is every system that uses any type of taxation with government programs paid for by them. The usage of words is central to how the debate is seen, so it is essential that no matter what side you take, you understand where your words come from and what they mean.

[InkL0sed]

So, I was browsing the internet and saw that a poll on facebook shows that 75.7% of facebookers are against Obama's socialized healthcare. 20.9% are for, and 3.4% are undecided. I was just curious, what do you think, Conquerclub? Should America go European on healthcare?

The irony is most of those reponders probably already have "socialized healthcare" .. either in the form of an HMO (which mimic socialized medicine, but puts the profits in the pockets of executives instead of taxpayers), or in the form of medicare.

taxpayers have never been paid profits on anything ever... ever. they, we never will.

True, but a technicality, because what would be profit for a private corporation is simply a reduction in cost for taxpayers.

And yes, government gives us plenty of those.

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

Or how they gave Halliburton a monopoly in Iraq, paying them billions when they should've been sued for poisoning, dehydrating, and electrocuting the soldiers there.

[Woodruff]

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

If that were true, then military commissaries wouldn't be the tremendous bargain for military personnel that they are.

actually as i think about this isnt the px a private company that moves retail to military personell with exclusive rights to base access?

The BX/PX is a private company, but that's not associated with the Commissary. The Commissaries are run by the Defense Commissary Agency.

[King Berzerker]

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

If that were true, then military commissaries wouldn't be the tremendous bargain for military personnel that they are.

actually as i think about this isnt the px a private company that moves retail to military personell with exclusive rights to base access?

The BX/PX is a private company, but that's not associated with the Commissary. The Commissaries are run by the Defense Commissary Agency.

i think that they cant be thought of in the same way that the rest of the government can because they have to sell stuff more cheeper than walmart or people wont shop there. but when the gov buys as a consumer, they mostly always overspent the money.

[thegreekdog]

Or how they gave Halliburton a monopoly in Iraq, paying them billions when they should've been sued for poisoning, dehydrating, and electrocuting the soldiers there.

And yet you apparently trust the government to run a complex healthcare system. This always baffles me. Conservatives see no problem with Haliburton (or any other government contracts doled out by President Bush) while having a major problem with universal healthcare. Liberals have a big problem with President Bush in general, but are vehemently in favor of universal healthcare.

I'm not for Obama's plan. I am for revisions to the current healthcare system. My views are in another thread.

[Woodruff]

false cuz government ALWAYS overpays for stuff... like how they recently bought a bunch of ham for 1.50 a pound when the going rate in the supermarket is 89 cents. leave it to the government to get the antibulk rate

If that were true, then military commissaries wouldn't be the tremendous bargain for military personnel that they are.

actually as i think about this isnt the px a private company that moves retail to military personell with exclusive rights to base access?

The BX/PX is a private company, but that's not associated with the Commissary. The Commissaries are run by the Defense Commissary Agency.

i think that they cant be thought of in the same way that the rest of the government can because they have to sell stuff more cheeper than walmart or people wont shop there. but when the gov buys as a consumer, they mostly always overspent the money.

But the statement was that the government ALWAYS overpays for stuff. That's simply not the case. I'm not saying that military acquisition hasn't had problems...it absolutely has. However, the incidents that have happened get all the publicity (talking about buying things for good prices just doesn't make the news, you know...), which makes people think it happens far more often than it actually does.

[King Berzerker]

@ woodruff

I think it happens for bad reasons tho... it happens because politicians get kickbacks. it wouldnt work on a commissary because if stuff was over priced there then military people would just buy elswhere. the big thing is that they just dont care cuz it aint there money.

[King Berzerker]

I'm for universal health care. If you don't have a right to not die of simple, treatable diseases then something is messed up with your system. And seriously, stop calling it socialized medicine. If you're going to try to manipulate people, why not just go all the way and call it "The People's Great FASCIST Pinko Flag Burning Medicine"

sorry yo! i thought of you post when i saw this

[Frigidus]

I'm for universal health care. If you don't have a right to not die of simple, treatable diseases then something is messed up with your system. And seriously, stop calling it socialized medicine. If you're going to try to manipulate people, why not just go all the way and call it "The People's Great FASCIST Pinko Flag Burning Medicine"

sorry yo! i thought of you post when i saw this

To me that picture is almost a parody of itself. I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended to be sarcastic. I mean if you disagree with something, that's fine. But if I lay out a universal health care plan to somebody, and their best rebuttal is "well, that's all well and good, but it's SOCIALISM!", I would immediately discount their opinion, as they're a knee-jerk reactionary moron.