Rating abuse- apb23 [cleared]

[BoganGod]

Well I consider not Good lucking & Good Gaming an opponent as poor sportsmanship........ and if it was an enjoyable challenging game (a players ability to play an enjoyable-competitive game) then game play would be 5 stars........ If its BAD game play then it gets ranked accordingly......Your analogy blows ................... 2 stars to ya!

Consider yourself comment farmed! You bit like a shark on a whale carcass! What do you have against the game played in heaven anyway?

[jefjef]

Farmed????? Whatever.... I see your a friend of Kratos & Tdans so I'll cut ya some slack......... Do ya not understand the intention of the rating system? Game play rates it's self by points lost or won and as a win %... as in the stated intention of the rating system Game Play rating is the ABILITY of A Player to PLAY an enjoyable Competitive Game win OR lose...... as for silence I usually give attitude 4 stars I dont reward it with 5 (although sometimes silence is bliss) ............... 2 stars to ya!

[BoganGod]

My first comment was serious, the comments after that, well lets say tongue in cheek was a large factor

[jefjef]

Now see...... thats cheap tactics & would have to rate your Fair play as 2 stars at best.......................

[BoganGod]

I would give myself 1star for attitude..

[jefjef]

No.. you were honest... thats worth a couple of stars....

[apb23]

If you rate fairly, whether that's giving 5s or 1s, than it is not abuse. If you rate unfairly, and simply because you have lost (such as the case with Juventino), than you are abusing the system. If you give out all 5s when someone doesn't say anything, but they have had terrible dice, they still deserve that 5 for attitude. In Juventino's case, winning results in low ratings, which is unjust and an abuse of the system.

[jefjef]

well i do not give attitude 5 stars for silence........ and i never rate based on victory.......... Like i said if strategy is absolute crap it will affect game play rating & if cheap tactics are used it will affect fair play as it should... If I enjoy a competitive game (regardless of my dice) & there is friendliness & no B.S. it will be a 5 star rating across the board.

[juventino]

If you rate fairly, whether that's giving 5s or 1s, than it is not abuse. If you rate unfairly, and simply because you have lost (such as the case with Juventino), than you are abusing the system. If you give out all 5s when someone doesn't say anything, but they have had terrible dice, they still deserve that 5 for attitude. In Juventino's case, winning results in low ratings, which is unjust and an abuse of the system.

Lets make it simple. Lets take my lowest ratings. the lowest 43.
I have won 18 of them. Lost 17 and "drew" (more then one game) in 8 cases.

so in 18 cases i gave bad ratings and still won. I gave bad ones in 17 in losing games.

So to put it even more simple:

win-draw-lose = 18 - 8 - 17 = very balanced ratings

This is not the thread to explain my ratings but i felt i had to.

I hope we will get a ruling about apb23's ratings. I dont think i will "win" but it wil be fun to hear how they reason.

[apb23]

hahahahahahaha...good luck in that...how about everyone that gives out FAIR ratings or generous ratings gets put up right. It's amazing how your taking this, just because you get warned you spaz out. If anything, you should put up a thread in Q&A...not be vindictive and rediculous. But by all means, I wish you the best of luck. Lmao

[juventino]

hahahahahahaha...good luck in that...how about everyone that gives out FAIR ratings or generous ratings gets put up right. It's amazing how your taking this, just because you get warned you spaz out. If anything, you should put up a thread in Q&A...not be vindictive and rediculous. But by all means, I wish you the best of luck. Lmao

You always change the subject or ignore the point when proven wrong. But it is besides the point again.
This way is easier and quicker to show that current system is strange and flawed.

Like i said in my earlier post. I agree with my rating with you i perhaps was a bit hard on one but i kinda like my first instinct now. I had you foed after that game so it is only fair to give you a bad rating.

But besides the point again.

Is it abuse to give 5-5-5 rating almost every time? I think so. But let us see.

[apb23]

Hahahaha...you are condricting yourself again. Before you say you were harsh in my case, now you are saying that you agreed. Also, the point is not the ratings system, but as said by the title of the thread, if I am abusing the ratings system. A: I do not give 5s all the time, B: when I do, it is because the player has earned them, and C: You are a vindictive player who becomes a sore loser.

Once again, I played our second game as quick as I could (13 minutes) even when Rt was not agreed upon, said Gl, and beat you in 4 rounds, hence I had good strategy unless you think that you cannot play. You rated me after that game, and the first game was long before, so before you make an accusation, make sure you have proof to back it up.

[juventino]

Hahahaha...you are condricting yourself again. Before you say you were harsh in my case, now you are saying that you agreed. Also, the point is not the ratings system, but as said by the title of the thread, if I am abusing the ratings system. A: I do not give 5s all the time, B: when I do, it is because the player has earned them, and C: You are a vindictive player who becomes a sore loser.

Once again, I played our second game as quick as I could (13 minutes) even when Rt was not agreed upon, said Gl, and beat you in 4 rounds, hence I had good strategy unless you think that you cannot play. You rated me after that game, and the first game was long before, so before you make an accusation, make sure you have proof to back it up.

A) You give very high ratings. High above 3. Even in cases where i cant see why.
B) It is a good way to get high rating for yourself. GIve other good ratings. (or the other way... give bad ones and blackmail with them)
c) yes. Vindictive yes in this post. Like i said. But i give bad ratings when i win more often then when i lose.


and to be all fair now.. If i start a freestyle game. And dont play it "rt" i will get a bad rating. I dont mind. I understand if people are upset with this kind of gameplay and think it is boring. So even when I do it myself. Start the turn after 4 min.... when i could after a few sec... i agree that i should have a low rating for this.

I only rate people the way i think they should rate me.

And i would have loved a GL from you =) That would have made you a 3 perhaps....

[apb23]

I said Gl in the gamechat...lol
Also, what if that person is premium and is in 12 other games, 3 of which are freestyle going on at the same time. Can you expect them to play quickly when no Rt has been called. Even with this, I finished the game in 13 minutes. Also, if a player plays well even though I beat them, I will give them a high rating. Lastly, you the difference between your bad ratings for when you lose and win is 1, so that's not substantial at all, and as King Achilles said when you were warned, many of your ratings are questionable, even dating back to some of your first.

[juventino]

I said Gl in the gamechat...lol
Also, what if that person is premium and is in 12 other games, 3 of which are freestyle going on at the same time. Can you expect them to play quickly when no Rt has been called. Even with this, I finished the game in 13 minutes. Also, if a player plays well even though I beat them, I will give them a high rating. Lastly, you the difference between your bad ratings for when you lose and win is 1, so that's not substantial at all, and as King Achilles said when you were warned, many of your ratings are questionable, even dating back to some of your first.

Shouldnt we take this in another topic? But one last thing. ANother point although not to this topic. All the reasons for the rating cant be seen in the game. Chat, walls, pm, msn, even this forum...

I dont think this topic is the right forum to have the discussion with you. But please for our next time. Dont lie so much. I now know two very simple lies from you and it takes all the fun out of it.

The point in this thread is. Is it abusive to give out very high ratings?

[oVo]

No, it is not abusive to give out high ratings or even no ratings. Retaliating or being vindictive via ratings out of spite is the most obvious abuse of this system.

[apb23]

Thank you ovo...I think that most people know this...it's just that juventino is vindictive and obviously did not react well 2 being warned about his ratings. Also, when have I lied????????

[alster]

The juventino report I think should be reopened.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=89553&p=2074833#p2074833

[apb23]

You and him obviously have a friendly relationship, so for one friend to say this will do nothing unless a lot more people back it up.

[alster]

You and him obviously have a friendly relationship, so for one friend to say this will do nothing unless a lot more people back it up.

Yes we have. We've known each other for quite some time here on CC and we share nationality and educational background among other things. Despite that I made the following statement earlier in this thread:

Well mate, you know I like you and all and we've had many fun games together. However, seeing the C&A-report on you re rating abuse, I can't help but draw the conclusion that you only rate when something bad occurs (i.e. you don't really rate people you had a good game with). Is that abuse? Well, dunno. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to use the rating system that way.

You could have made a response in that thread. This report of yours though it's, and I'm sorry to say that, just silly.

You are wrong if you assume that our relationship clouds my judgment here. It may give me some insight in his rating though, and too me it seems that, as noted, he only rates negatively and not positively. I think that your thread (that gave him a warning that seemingly blind sided him) should be opened up due to the facts stated therin, i.e. that your C&A report seemingly was decided without the relevant issue being put forward, i.e. is it considered an abuse to defer the possibility to rate positively but merely using the system to slap on negative ratings after one or several bad experiences with a player? Seems to me that your accusation was only based on rating stats not taking this possible factor into account.

[apb23]

You and him obviously have a friendly relationship, so for one friend to say this will do nothing unless a lot more people back it up.

Yes we have. We've known each other for quite some time here on CC and we share nationality and educational background among other things. Despite that I made the following statement earlier in this thread:

Well mate, you know I like you and all and we've had many fun games together. However, seeing the C&A-report on you re rating abuse, I can't help but draw the conclusion that you only rate when something bad occurs (i.e. you don't really rate people you had a good game with). Is that abuse? Well, dunno. I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to use the rating system that way.

You could have made a response in that thread. This report of yours though it's, and I'm sorry to say that, just silly.

You are wrong if you assume that our relationship clouds my judgment here. It may give me some insight in his rating though, and too me it seems that, as noted, he only rates negatively and not positively. I think that your thread (that gave him a warning that seemingly blind sided him) should be opened up due to the facts stated therin, i.e. that your C&A report seemingly was decided without the relevant issue being put forward, i.e. is it considered an abuse to defer the possibility to rate positively but merely using the system to slap on negative ratings after one or several bad experiences with a player? Seems to me that your accusation was only based on rating stats not taking this possible factor into account.

I'm sorry for not noticing the post that you previously put up (never read it or knew it was there), but I am not saying that you have bad judgement at all, I was simply saying that for the case to be reopened more people or the mods would have to think so too. Looking at that factor, if you look through most of his recent ratings, they are mainly 1s. I looked through some of them, and in them, he has been beaten and engages in conversation (many of which were calm and considerably amiable), and he still gave them terrible ratings. For example, he gave Witt13 all 1s, when they have played a total of 2 games together, both of which were 1v1s, he lost both, they said Gl and engaged in conversation, and said nothing bad about each other.

[juventino]

he gave Witt13 all 1s, when they have played a total of 2 games together, both of which were 1v1s, he lost both, they said Gl and engaged in conversation, and said nothing bad about each other.

Like i said.. I dont remember all my games... But i gave witt the bad rating after the first game. Not the second. I could have changed the attitude perhaps after the second but i dont think it is a crime to forget to upgrade or downgrade someone. I tried to be fair and told him upfront in the gamechat that he would get a bad rating.

[juventino]

..said nothing bad about each other.

it is kinda bad to say "i will give you a bad rating" isnt it? But it doesnt matter.


But i do thank you. I have been working these last 3 nights and this have kept me awake...

[apb23]

It's funny...because b4 when you were mentioning my rating, you said that you did not enjoy the first dubs game that we played, and you rated me after our freestyle game. Then, you recall that dubs game from months and months back to rate me????? If you remembered that, than why not remember to upgrade??? Hypocrite?

[apb23]

Sorry, that last post was a bit harsh...just tryin to get my point across.