UK Politics opinion poll (June 2009)

[brooksieb]

Just a opinion poll, it's okay if you are not a citizen of the UK and want to cast your vote but i based this thread primarily for citizens of the UK.

[barnabus]

Gone with UKIP myself.

I want Britain to leave the USSE, and become the independent, free-trading and industrial pioneer that we once were. UKIP in my opinion is a means to an end - let's get out of the EU first, and then we can worry about the way forward, with a far lessened burden than we are carrying now.

[joecoolfrog]

Very very sad that anybody could vote for the Nazi BNP

[Pedronicus]

Very very sad that anybody could vote for the Nazi BNP

and i haven't even cast a vote yet

[lozzini]

results are pretty amazing atm... none of the major parties doing well at all...

[Simon Viavant]

Hi norse, how've you been doing lately?

[joecoolfrog]

Very very sad that anybody could vote for the Nazi BNP

mod edit
If you dont believe that Griffin and the leadership of the BNP are Nazi/ Fascist then its you my friend who is the ignorant one. I am most certainly not a wishy washy Liberal, historicaly I have voted Tory and have some sympathy for the UKIP position, I also know the difference between Patriotism and Nationalism which you appear not quite to have grasped yet.

[xelabale]

Hi norse, how've you been doing lately?

nice spot

[Genghis Khant]

I'm disappointed to see as many as four votes for the BNP (or NF-light, as I like to call them). That's almost as much as the average IQ of their members.

High levels of immigration is the price we pay, or indeed the debt we owe, for centuries of imperialism. That's not to say that we should have an open border policy, but rather to point out that we have no moral high ground on this issue. If we hadn't grown so rich by exploiting their mineral & agricultural resources, by conscripting, enlisting or enslaving their people, and if we hadn't imposed the English language on them, then the UK would not be as attractive a destination for economic migrants as it is today. Also, let's not forget that immigration was actively encouraged after the second world war to solve labour shortages, particularly in the healthcare sector.

British history is shaped by immigration. Each wave bringing with it new ideas, new technology, art, culture, skills. The largest immigrant population came here after the Romans left and brought with them violence, feudalism, paganism, arrogance and misguided feelings of superiority.

[pmchugh]

lol according to this BNP and greenpeace are going to get a pleasant surprise

[jonesthecurl]

High levels of immigration is the price we pay, or indeed the debt we owe, for centuries of imperialism. That's not to say that we should have an open border policy, but rather to point out that we have no moral high ground on this issue. If we hadn't grown so rich by exploiting their mineral & agricultural resources, by conscripting, enlisting or enslaving their people, and if we hadn't imposed the English language on them, then the UK would not be as attractive a destination for economic migrants as it is today. Also, let's not forget that immigration was actively encouraged after the second world war to solve labour shortages, particularly in the healthcare sector.

I've never read so much bollocks.

'We' is a very selective, all-embracing term. Has your family ever profited, exploited or taken advantage of the misery of others? Mine certainly has never. Oh? what is that I can hear you say?

"Oh, butz, liek da GUVAMENT was LIKE WACIIST And like gots like slaves and made dem well unhappy and like gotz muny I HATE DA QUEEN she is a howwible woman, teh brits are wacist and like make people wiv black skin like slaves cvos dey MAKE MONEY!!! "


NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Just because some financial organisation that was based within Britain during the time of the slave trade made a monetary gain from the slave trade (Llyods Bank to name but one) this does not mean that any regular citizens owe any kind of debt whatsoever to anyone.

The only reason that England was a particularly industrious nation was down to the industrious attitudes of those that worked there - what the f*ck has the Industrial revolution creating, Free-market pioneering and empircal exploration of 19th century Britain got to do with a few fuckin cotton-picking bruvvas? DO you honestly believe that we wo0uld not have invented the steam-train had some of our financial organisations not been a part of financially backing shipping these ready-to-sell (ready to sell for their own peoples gain - who funnily enough were the ones who were selling them, you prick) Africans to some yokels in the southern US states?

Are you really that fucking thick?

British history is shaped by immigration. Each wave bringing with it new ideas, new technology, art, culture, skills. The largest immigrant population came here after the Romans left and brought with them violence, feudalism, paganism, arrogance and misguided feelings of superiority.

Yeah! because every wave of somalian, albanian and Turkish immigration brings such technological and cultural delights such as the...... erm.........hmmmmm...... did they invent the knife?...nah, they just use them quite alot on other people.... erm.. ....protsitution surely?... dunno about that actually, but they seem to ship them over here pretty quickly......erm... howabout piracy?...no, dude, that's been around for centuries ..... howabout all the skills they have? Ahh yes, the somalis certainly have a skill for doing absolutely f*ck all, whilst those horrible racist middle classed capitalist workers are out making dirty money to subsidise the existence of them - probably working for a racism company or sumfink, or dealing on slave trading stocks...... ahh but the turks make a good kebab!

Bingo! They bring kebabs to this country - what else could us racist, imperialistic brits want for the billions of wasted tax revenue?

And, you bitter fucking taffy - yes the saxons came in 400AD - paganism was already present within Britain at the time - christianity hadnt reached the shores by then en-masse. You know the reason why you're called welsh? Because that was the old saxon term for a foreigner - you were inadequate at saving your own country, and we inherited it from you obviously useless, inbred whining, decrepit sheep shaggers.

See ya boyo!

Remind me again why everybody wanted to free Norse?

[Minister Masket]

Which thick-eared dolt voted for Labour?

[Martin Ronne]

PLAID CYMRU WOOOOO!!!!!!

[pmchugh]

Which thick-eared dolt voted for Labour?

I didn't, went with SNP but may I ask what are your problems with labour specifally? I am still a wee bit on the fence. Being 18 I am not exactly deep into politics but as far as I see it peoples problems with labour are:

Iraq war- supported by Cameron etc.
Recent expenses scandal- nearly every party involved
Gordon Browns personality- Don't care.
Economic troubles- Wouldn't blame it on labour, considering its happening all over the world regardless of who is in charge.

I realise there may be many many more reasons but I am aiming this mostly at previus labour voters who are now switching away.

[jonesthecurl]

By using his mouth as an anus?
Just asking.

[Genghis Khant]

I've never read so much bollocks.

A statement which says more about your reading habits & cognitive ability than it does about my writing.

'We' is a very selective, all-embracing term.

Make your mind up. Is it selective, or all-embracing?

Has your family ever profited, exploited or taken advantage of the misery of others?

Yes. My father is a lawyer.

what the f*ck has the Industrial revolution creating, Free-market pioneering and empircal exploration of 19th century Britain got to do with a few fuckin cotton-picking bruvvas?

Very little, thankfully, since we abolished slavery in 1807.

Clearly, you misunderstood the point I was making. Britain generated a lot of wealth from its colonies and, as overlords, we kept all the profits. I'm not just talking about slaves here, there was also gold, silver, tea, sugar, tobacco, spices, rubber, etc. On top of that we imposed British law and governance onto them, made English the official language, made them subjects of the Crown, and instilled in them the idea of mother England (or at least tried to). Then, gradually, in the 20th century we started granting them independence and left them to fend for themselves. So, is it any wonder they want to live here now? They already speak our language, our standard of living is higher, our economy is stronger, our social equality provides quality, free healthcare & education for all and opportunities for the industrious (Mohammed Al Fayed or Lakshmi Mittal, for example) and many of them were invited. Of course, I know that not all of our immigrant population originated from former colonies, but most of it did.

Yeah! because every wave of somalian, albanian and Turkish immigration brings such technological and cultural delights such as the ... kebab!

The Somalis brought us khat, while the Turkish gave us kebabs, houmous, falafels and St George.

[xelabale]

Hey norse, have you forgotten that thread in pile of awesome, I'm still waiting for a reply? So's snorri apparently. http://www.pileofawesome.com/viewtopic. ... 1&start=50

The gauntlet is thrown, you seem to be active - engage in a debate, don't just spout intolerant shit or your credibility is g..o..n..e..

[xelabale]

Anyone who reads the thread can of course make their own judgement as to the current situation on that thread.

I have asked you several questions, feel free to respond whenever you like. I am calling you on your bullshit and you are not responding It looks bad, Norse, bad...

[Genghis Khant]

norse wrote:
Yes, but do you know what the suffix 'stan' means? In means 'land of..' if my memory serves me correctly. So Pakistan, for instance means 'Land of the Pakis', as this was the tribal name for the group of people who inhabited this area at the time of naming.

Absolute tripe. The name comes from the merging of Punjab, Afghan Frontier, Kashmir & Baluchistan - the predominantly Muslim regions at the time of independence.

[Genghis Khant]

norse wrote:
Yes, but do you know what the suffix 'stan' means? In means 'land of..' if my memory serves me correctly. So Pakistan, for instance means 'Land of the Pakis', as this was the tribal name for the group of people who inhabited this area at the time of naming.

Absolute tripe. The name comes from the merging of Punjab, Afghan Frontier, Kashmir & Baluchistan - the predominantly Muslim regions at the time of independence.

Though, I think this is a very good stab at irony

EDIT: and where in blazes have all these UKIP supporters come from?

Irony? Read a history book or an encyclopaedia and see for yourself.

This is irony; http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28369

[Snorri1234]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan

Hate using wiki as references.

That's because wiki so often proves you wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

[Genghis Khant]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan

Hate using wiki as references.

That's because wiki so often proves you wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

But it also proves me right by the point I made with regards to -stan being a suffix meaning 'land of'. So effectively my point remains, and I am yet again correct.

Correct about the tribal name? Surely not.

Pakistan, for instance means 'Land of the Pakis', as this was the tribal name for the group of people who inhabited this area at the time of naming.

[Snorri1234]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan

Hate using wiki as references.

That's because wiki so often proves you wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

But it also proves me right by the point I made with regards to -stan being a prefix meaning 'land of'. So effectively my point remains, and I am yet again correct.

Yeah if we had taken any issue with your statement that -stan means land of you would totally have us there.

But since we didn't you just lost.

[Snorri1234]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-stan

Hate using wiki as references.

That's because wiki so often proves you wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

But it also proves me right by the point I made with regards to -stan being a prefix meaning 'land of'. So effectively my point remains, and I am yet again correct.

Yeah if we had taken any issue with your statement that -stan means land of you would totally have us there.

But since we didn't you just lost.

Not really - it was a poor example, but the main point was utterly correct, meaning that i lost on a small, pedantic point, and won the larger point, meaning I win.

What d'ya think about that snotti?

What larger point? We already knew that -stan meant "land of". That wasn't even a point. I mean, shit, are you proud or something that you knew some definition of a word?

Congratulations on not utterly failing at life, I guess.

[Snorri1234]

What larger point? We already knew that -stan meant "land of". That wasn't even a point. I mean, shit, are you proud or something that you knew some definition of a word?

Congratulations on not utterly failing at life, I guess.

Uh oh...sounds like someone is getting their panties in a twist I'm very proud about my understanding of suffixes..it is something I take very seriously. You quite correctly point out that this one factor alone is tantamount to my esteem.

Where would we be in a if we did do not know the meanings of words?

You must be very proud that you didn't poop your pants today.

(If you actually did poop your pants, please ignore that statement.)