TRAFALGAR [12.4.2012] QUENCHED (V65)

[waseemalim]

The lines on the map. Other lines are fine -- I just always have to look for the yellow lines.

[Incandenza]

I suppose it's worth discussing whether the flagship neutrals should be 2 or 3 (wasee's a bright guy who plays shitloads of waterloo, so he's exactly the kind of player that'll be drawn to this map)... or you could go with something different, i.e. a 1 in the bow and a 4 in the stern, that way people will be able to pass thru them, but still have to roll against 2 dice twice.

But that's nitpicking, and shouldn't impede the continued development of this map. And thus, at long last, I present to you...

[cairnswk]

The lines on the map. Other lines are fine -- I just always have to look for the yellow lines.

Thanks wassewmalim. I'll still see about doing the same with other lines.

I suppose it's worth discussing whether the flagship neutrals should be 2 or 3 (wasee's a bright guy who plays shitloads of waterloo, so he's exactly the kind of player that'll be drawn to this map)... or you could go with something different, i.e. a 1 in the bow and a 4 in the stern, that way people will be able to pass thru them, but still have to roll against 2 dice twice.

But that's nitpicking, and shouldn't impede the continued development of this map. And thus, at long last, I present to you...

yes, please do discuss further the neutrals on the commanders. 1 plus 4 is very creative. top of the class.

Stamp was totally unexpected...i thought we were still processing gameplay.
Anyway. Thanks

[Incandenza]

Like I said, there might be a nit to pick here and there, but nothing that should substantially affect ongoing graphics work.

[the.killing.44]

Ehhh, it doesn't really look like it's on a sail. It has drop shadow, which makes it seem like it's above the sail, not on it, and it's just italicized without any curvature or anything. Not quite sure if it's worth it to make it seem like it's on there in any case.

Well, now that I look at it more, I guess it's a decent idea. But you'll have to remove the drop shadow and warp it like you did for the portrait.

Another graphical note: the compass seems a little to saturated and "out there." Try doing what you did to your sig (I think that was opacity and saturation)?

The 1, 4 idea is interesting, but there is an issue that we have to think about before deciding on the values (and frankly I think this could've prolonged the GP stamp): the neutral value relies a lot on whether a Flagship can be the part of the Fleet bonus or each individual tert can. I'd think we'd hold off on those comments until we get clarification

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[Incandenza]

I thought we'd gotten to the point where the flagship as a whole counted toward the fleet bonus.

[the.killing.44]

I thought we'd gotten to the point where the flagship as a whole counted toward the fleet bonus.

I didn't say if we had decided, but if it was possible with the XML. Sorry if i worded that wrong.

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[Incandenza]

I thought we'd gotten to the point where the flagship as a whole counted toward the fleet bonus.

I didn't say if we had decided, but if it was possible with the XML. Sorry if i worded that wrong.

.44

Ah, that's an excellent point. As I've said before, xml isn't my strong suit. Well, I suppose a potential alternate plan would be to use yeti's commander/ship concept, each flagship consists of an admiral and a command (instead of bow and stern), control both for +2, command counts toward fleet bonus.

[the.killing.44]

I thought we'd gotten to the point where the flagship as a whole counted toward the fleet bonus.

I didn't say if we had decided, but if it was possible with the XML. Sorry if i worded that wrong.

.44

Ah, that's an excellent point. As I've said before, xml isn't my strong suit. Well, I suppose a potential alternate plan would be to use yeti's commander/ship concept, each flagship consists of an admiral and a command (instead of bow and stern), control both for +2, command counts toward fleet bonus.

That's a good alternative in case it doesn't come out the way we would like it (which I'm fearing is going to happen …). If we're to go down that route I would think you could utilize the 1,4 idea, placing 1 on the Admiral and 4 on the Command (more power = more neutral). And I do suppose it's best to have but one tert from each Flagship count to the Fleet bonus? It's more realistic, among other reasons (+2 is already big incentive, both would place a massive amt. of power on each tert, etc.) …

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[MrBenn]

Let me get this straight...

Each Flagship is +2
If you hold a Fleet bonus AND the relevant Flagship, then the Flagship bonus is absorbed into the Fleet bonus.... so the +2 flagship bonus only applies if you don't hold the fleet bonus.

If that's the case, then that needs to be made more clear from the legend.

(and it is possible through the use of multiple continents and over-rides, but it isn't simple)

[cairnswk]

Let me get this straight...

Each Flagship is +2
If you hold a Fleet bonus AND the relevant Flagship, then the Flagship bonus is absorbed into the Fleet bonus.... so the +2 flagship bonus only applies if you don't hold the fleet bonus.

If that's the case, then that needs to be made more clear from the legend.

(and it is possible through the use of multiple continents and over-rides, but it isn't simple)

I'm wondering if in all this quagmire, and i have been in there muddling also, that we simply can't have...

8 British(W) +3
Each flagship is additional to Fleet Bonus +2

Bonus wise this gives players the opportunity to get:

* an 8 vessel fleet bonus of +3 that doesn't include the Flagship,
* or it allows someone to take the flagship for it's own bonus of +2
* but if you get the flagship & 8 fleet vessels you get +5

[MrBenn]

I'm wondering if in all this quagmire, and i have been in there muddling also, that we simply can't have...

8 British(W) +3
Each flagship is additional to Fleet Bonus +2

Bonus wise this gives players the opportunity to get:

* an 8 vessel fleet bonus of +3 that doesn't include the Flagship,
* or it allows someone to take the flagship for it's own bonus of +2
* but if you get the flagship & 8 fleet vessels you get +5

That's the way that the legend appears to read. It's a little bit more intuitive, and easier to code

[cairnswk]

I'm wondering if in all this quagmire, and i have been in there muddling also, that we simply can't have...

8 British(W) +3
Each flagship is additional to Fleet Bonus +2

Bonus wise this gives players the opportunity to get:

* an 8 vessel fleet bonus of +3 that doesn't include the Flagship,
* or it allows someone to take the flagship for it's own bonus of +2
* but if you get the flagship & 8 fleet vessels you get +5

That's the way that the legend appears to read. It's a little bit more intuitive, and easier to code

Thanks MrBenn.

I'll wait to see what C says about the whole thing. He'd be disappointed if he didn't get a say.

[cairnswk]

Anyone seen C...?

[MarathonMax]

Looks AWESOME !

Is there a place where we can formerly vote in favour of this map to move to beta stage ?

Tks

Max

[cairnswk]

Looks AWESOME !

Is there a place where we can formerly vote in favour of this map to move to beta stage ?

Tks

Max

No Max. The basic process is that this map must obtain a graphics stamp, then be moved to the Final forge for any final adjustments and xml completion before it goes up for live BETA play. At the mo, i am awaiting opinion from one of our most trusted experts on xml to clarify something for me, so it will be another few weeks before this goes live.

[yeti_c]

Sorry for being late to the party - although it's been amusing reading everyones struggle...

You're So so close...

This is what you need (see if you can spot the difference)

C.

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<continent>
      <name>Bucantaure</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Bucantaure Bow</territory>
         <territory>Bucantaure Stern</territory>
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>French (W)</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
     <territory>Scipion</territory>
         <territory>Duguay-Trouin</territory>
         <territory>Intrépide</territory>
         <territory>Héros</territory>
         <territory>Formidable</territory>
         <territory>Mont Blanc</territory>
         <continent>Bucantaure</continent>
         <territory>Indomptable</territory>
         <territory>Redoubtable</territory>         
      </components>
      <required>5</required>
</continent>

[MrBenn]

So you can nest continents inside continents?? I thought you had to use over-rides??

[yeti_c]

So you can nest continents inside continents?? I thought you had to use over-rides??

Nope... don't be silly...

Of course with the code above - you will get both bonuses...

i.e. Bonus for Commander and bonus for Ships above W...

But I imagine that to be what is expected...

If you wanted to stop that then you'd have to override Buccenture in the big continent.

C.

[cairnswk]

So you can nest continents inside continents?? I thought you had to use over-rides??

Nope... don't be silly...

Of course with the code above - you will get both bonuses...

i.e. Bonus for Commander and bonus for Ships above W...

But I imagine that to be what is expected...

If you wanted to stop that then you'd have to override Buccenture in the big continent.

C.

Thanks C.
Of course after i'd been around the bend several times i got it that i hadn't placed Bucantaure as a continent in the French (W) continent. So stupid of me.

Anyways. here is completed xml (albeit centering)

http://h1.ripway.com/cairnswk/_Trafalgar.xml

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>

<map>
    <title>trafalgar</title>
    <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
    <smallheight>600</smallheight>
    <largewidth>800</largewidth>
    <largeheight>762</largeheight>
    <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<!-- Beginning of Continents -->

<!-- Beginning Weather Line -->

<continent>
      <name>Bucantaure</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Bucantaure Bow</territory>
         <territory>Bucantaure Stern</territory>
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>French (W)</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
    <territory>Scipion</territory>
         <territory>Duguay-Trouin</territory>
         <territory>Intrépide</territory>
         <territory>Héros</territory>
         <territory>Formidable</territory>
         <territory>Mont Blanc</territory>
         <continent>Bucantaure</continent>
         <territory>Indomptable</territory>
         <territory>Redoubtable</territory>         
      </components>
      <required>5</required>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>Santissima Trinidad</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Santissima Trinidad Bow</territory>
         <territory>Santissima Trinidad Stern</territory>
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>Spanish (W)</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
     <territory>Neptuno</territory>
         <territory>Rayo</territory>
         <territory>San Augustin</territory>
         <territory>San Francisco de Asis</territory>
         <territory>San Leonardo</territory>
         <continent>Santissima Trinidad</continent>
      </components>
      <required>4</required>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>Victory</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Victory Bow</territory>
         <territory>Victory Stern</territory>
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>British (W)</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Africa</territory>
         <territory>Britannia</territory>
         <territory>Euryalus</territory>
         <territory>Agamemnon</territory>
         <territory>Neptune (B)</territory>
         <territory>Spartiate</territory>
         <territory>Minotaur</territory>
         <territory>Orion</territory>
         <territory>Ajax</territory>
         <territory>Conqueror</territory>
         <territory>Leviathan</territory>
         <continent>Victory</continent>
         <territory>Téméraire</territory>
      </components>
      <required>8</required>
</continent>

<!-- End Weather Line -->

<!-- Lee Line -->

<continent>
      <name>Algésiras</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
        <territory>Algésiras Bow</territory>
        <territory>Algésiras Stern</territory>
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>French (L)</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
        <territory>Neptune (F)</territory>
         <territory>Pluton</territory>
         <territory>Fougueux</territory>
         <continent>Algésiras</continent>
         <territory>Aigle</territory>
         <territory>Swiftsure (F)</territory>
         <territory>Achille (F)</territory>
    <territory>Berwick</territory>
         <territory>Themis</territory>
      </components>
      <required>5</required>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>Principe De Asturias</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Principe De Asturias Bow</territory>
         <territory>Principe De Asturias Stern</territory>
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>Spanish (L)</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Santa Ana</territory>
         <territory>San Justo</territory>
         <territory>Monarca</territory>
         <territory>Bahama</territory>
         <territory>Montanes</territory>
         <territory>San Ildefonso</territory>
         <territory>San Juan Nepomuceno</territory>
         <continent>Principe De Asturias</continent>
         <territory>Argonauta</territory>
      </components>
      <required>5</required>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>Royal Sovereign</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Royal Sovereign Bow</territory>
         <territory>Royal Sovereign Stern</territory>
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>British (L)</name>
      <bonus>5</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Polyphemus</territory>
         <continent>Royal Sovereign</continent>
         <territory>Mars</territory>
         <territory>Tonnant</territory>
         <territory>Swiftsure (B)</territory>
         <territory>Revenge</territory>
         <territory>Belleisle</territory>
         <territory>Colossus</territory>
         <territory>Bellerophen</territory>
         <territory>Dreadnought</territory>
         <territory>Defiance</territory>
         <territory>Achille (B)</territory>
         <territory>Defence</territory>
         <territory>Prince</territory>
         <territory>Thunderer</territory>
      </components>
      <required>8</required>
</continent>

<!--  End of Continents  -->


<!-- Beginning of Territories -->

<territory>
   <name>Scipion</name>
   <borders>
          <border>Héros</border>
   <border>Formidable</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>454</smallx>
         <smally>48</smally>
         <largex>578</largex>
         <largey>55</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Duguay-Trouin</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Formidable</border>
   <border>Intrépide</border>
   <border>Rayo</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>544</smallx>
         <smally>61</smally>
         <largex>692</largex>
         <largey>71</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Intrépide</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Mont Blanc</border>
   <border>Duguay-Trouin</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>591</smallx>
         <smally>61</smally>
         <largex>752</largex>
         <largey>71</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Héros</name>
   <borders>
          <border>Scipion</border>
   <border>Santissima Trinidad Bow</border>
   <border>Santissima Trinidad Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Agamemnon</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>387</smallx>
         <smally>115</smally>
         <largex>493</largex>
         <largey>140</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Formidable</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Scipion</border>
        <border>Duguay-Trouin</border>
   <border>Mont Blanc</border>
   <border>Bucantaure Bow</border>
   <border>Bucantaure Stern</border>
   <border>Redoubtable</border>
   <border>Indomptable</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>504</smallx>
         <smally>142</smally>
         <largex>641</largex>
         <largey>175</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Mont Blanc</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Intrépide</border>
          <border>Formidable</border>
   <border>Redoubtable</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>539</smallx>
         <smally>144</smally>
         <largex>686</largex>
         <largey>177</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bucantaure Bow</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Formidable</border>
          <border>Victory Bow</border>
          <border>Victory Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Agamemnon</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Téméraire</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>415</smallx>
         <smally>191</smally>
         <largex>528</largex>
         <largey>236</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bucantaure Stern</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Formidable</border>
          <border>Victory Bow</border>
          <border>Victory Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Conqueror</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>406</smallx>
         <smally>208</smally>
         <largex>516</largex>
         <largey>258</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Indomptable</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Redoubtable</border>
        <border>Formidable</border>
        <border>Neptune (F)</border>
        <border>San Leonardo</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Téméraire</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>550</smallx>
         <smally>239</smally>
         <largex>700</largex>
         <largey>297</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Redoubtable</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Indomptable</border>
        <border>Formidable</border>
        <border>Neptune (F)</border>
          <border>Téméraire</border>
   <border>Mont Blanc</border>
   <border>Fougueux</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Victory Bow</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Victory Stern</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>474</smallx>
         <smally>250</smally>
         <largex>603</largex>
         <largey>311</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End of French (W) -->

<!-- Start Spanish (W) -->

<territory>
   <name>Neptuno</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Rayo</border>
   <border>Santissima Trinidad Bow</border>
   <border>Santissima Trinidad Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Africa</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>405</smallx>
         <smally>61</smally>
         <largex>515</largex>
         <largey>72</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Rayo</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Neptuno</border>
        <border>San Augustin</border>
        <border>Santissima Trinidad Bow</border>
        <border>Santissima Trinidad Stern</border>
        <border>Duguay-Trouin</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>496</smallx>
         <smally>82</smally>
         <largex>631</largex>
         <largey>98</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Augustin</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Rayo</border>
        <border>San Francisco de Asis</border>
        <border>San Leonardo</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>602</smallx>
         <smally>100</smally>
         <largex>766</largex>
         <largey>121</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Santissima Trinidad Bow</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Rayo</border>
        <border>San Francisco de Asis</border>
        <border>Neptuno</border>
        <border>Neptune (B)</border>
   <border>Héros</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>428</smallx>
         <smally>129</smally>
         <largex>545</largex>
         <largey>158</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Santissima Trinidad Stern</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Rayo</border>
        <border>San Francisco de Asis</border>
        <border>Neptuno</border>
        <border>Neptune (B)</border>
   <border>Héros</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>424</smallx>
         <smally>148</smally>
         <largex>539</largex>
         <largey>182</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>San Francisco de Asis</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Santissima Trinidad Bow</border>
        <border>Santissima Trinidad Stern</border>
        <border>San Augustin</border>
        <border>San Leonardo</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>565</smallx>
         <smally>187</smally>
         <largex>719</largex>
         <largey>232</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Leonardo</name>
   <borders>
        <border>San Justo</border>
   <border>Indomptable</border>
        <border>Monarca</border>
        <border>San Augustin</border>
        <border>San Francisco de Asis</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>590</smallx>
         <smally>257</smally>
         <largex>750</largex>
         <largey>321</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End Spanish (W) -->

<!-- Start British (W) -->

<territory>
   <name>Africa</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Agamemnon</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Neptuno</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>361</smallx>
         <smally>62</smally>
         <largex>460</largex>
         <largey>73</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Britannia</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Spartiate</border>
        <border>Euryalus</border>
        <border>Minotaur</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>109</smallx>
         <smally>150</smally>
         <largex>139</largex>
         <largey>185</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Euryalus</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Britannia</border>
        <border>Agamemnon</border>
        <border>Orion</border>
        <border>Minotaur</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>196</smallx>
         <smally>154</smally>
         <largex>250</largex>
         <largey>190</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Agamemnon</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Africa</border>
        <border>Neptune (B)</border>
        <border>Conqueror</border>
        <border>Ajax</border>
   <border>Orion</border>
        <border>Euryalus</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>294</smallx>
         <smally>139</smally>
         <largex>375</largex>
         <largey>170</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Neptune (B)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Agamemnon</border>
        <border>Conqueror</border>
        <border>Santissima Trinidad Bow</border>
        <border>Santissima Trinidad Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Bucantaure Bow</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>398</smallx>
         <smally>161</smally>
         <largex>506</largex>
         <largey>199</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Spartiate</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Britannia</border>
        <border>Minotaur</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>76</smallx>
         <smally>187</smally>
         <largex>97</largex>
         <largey>232</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Minotaur</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Spartiate</border>
        <border>Britannia</border>
        <border>Euryalus</border>
        <border>Orion</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>147</smallx>
         <smally>196</smally>
         <largex>188</largex>
         <largey>243</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Orion</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Minotaur</border>
        <border>Euryalus</border>
        <border>Ajax</border>
        <border>Agamemnon</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>224</smallx>
         <smally>189</smally>
         <largex>285</largex>
         <largey>234</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Ajax</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Agamemnon</border>
        <border>Conqueror</border>
        <border>Leviathan</border>
   <border>Polyphemus</border>
        <border>Orion</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>280</smallx>
         <smally>197</smally>
         <largex>357</largex>
         <largey>244</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Conqueror</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Neptune (B)</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Bow</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Stern</border>
        <border>Leviathan</border>
        <border>Ajax</border>
        <border>Agamemnon</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Bucantaure Bow</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>345</smallx>
         <smally>194</smally>
         <largex>439</largex>
         <largey>240</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Leviathan</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Ajax</border>
   <border>Conqueror</border>
   <border>Victory Bow</border>
   <border>Victory Stern</border>
   <border>Royal Sovereign Bow</border>
   <border>Royal Sovereign Stern</border>
   <border>Polyphemus</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>314</smallx>
         <smally>242</smally>
         <largex>400</largex>
         <largey>302</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Victory Bow</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Leviathan</border>
        <border>Bucantaure Bow</border>
        <border>Bucantaure Stern</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Bow</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Stern</border>
        <border>Téméraire</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Redoubtable</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>422</smallx>
         <smally>221</smally>
         <largex>537</largex>
         <largey>275</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Victory Stern</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Leviathan</border>
        <border>Bucantaure Bow</border>
        <border>Bucantaure Stern</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Bow</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Stern</border>
        <border>Téméraire</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>San Justo</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>409</smallx>
         <smally>238</smally>
         <largex>521</largex>
         <largey>296</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Téméraire</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Victory Bow</border>
        <border>Victory Stern</border>
        <border>Redoubtable</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Indomptable</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Bucantaure Bow</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Bucantaure Stern</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>463</smallx>
         <smally>212</smally>
         <largex>589</largex>
         <largey>263</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End British (W) -->

<!-- Start French (L) -->

<territory>
   <name>Neptune (F)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Redoubtable</border>
        <border>Indomptable</border>
        <border>Algésiras Bow</border>
        <border>Algésiras Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>538</smallx>
         <smally>311</smally>
         <largex>684</largex>
         <largey>389</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>Pluton</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
        <border>Swiftsure (F)</border>
        <border>Aigle</border>
        </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Belleisle</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Polyphemus</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>309</smallx>
         <smally>353</smally>
         <largex>394</largex>
         <largey>442</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Fougueux</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Pluton</border>
        <border>Redoubtable</border>
        <border>Algésiras Bow</border>
        <border>Algésiras Stern</border>
        <border>Swiftsure (F)</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Mars</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Belleisle</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>407</smallx>
         <smally>358</smally>
         <largex>518</largex>
         <largey>449</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Algésiras Bow</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
        <border>Neptune (F)</border>
        <border>Themis</border>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
   <border>Monarca</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Mars</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>491</smallx>
         <smally>373</smally>
         <largex>624</largex>
         <largey>468</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Algésiras Stern</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
        <border>Neptune (F)</border>
        <border>Themis</border>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
   <border>Monarca</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Mars</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>480</smallx>
         <smally>389</smally>
         <largex>610</largex>
         <largey>488</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>Aigle</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Pluton</border>
        <border>Achille (F)</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Revenge</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Defiance</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>217</smallx>
         <smally>422</smally>
         <largex>277</largex>
         <largey>530</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Swiftsure (F)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Fougueux</border>
        <border>Berwick</border>
        <border>Pluton</border>
        <border>Colossus</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Bellerophen</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>398</smallx>
         <smally>422</smally>
         <largex>506</largex>
         <largey>530</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Achille (F)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Aigle</border>
        <border>Prince</border>
        <border>Berwick</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>266</smallx>
         <smally>539</smally>
         <largex>339</largex>
         <largey>678</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Berwick</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Swiftsure (F)</border>
        <border>Themis</border>
        <border>Achille (F)</border>
   <border>Argonauta</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Defence</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>380</smallx>
         <smally>528</smally>
         <largex>484</largex>
         <largey>664</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Themis</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Algésiras Bow</border>
        <border>Algésiras Stern</border>
        <border>Berwick</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Achille (B)</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>428</smallx>
         <smally>517</smally>
         <largex>544</largex>
         <largey>651</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>


<!-- End French (L) -->

<!-- Start Spanish (L) -->

<territory>
   <name>Santa Ana</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Bahama</border>
        <border>San Justo</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Royal Sovereign Bow</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Royal Sovereign Stern</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>411</smallx>
         <smally>292</smally>
         <largex>523</largex>
         <largey>365</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Justo</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Santa Ana</border>
        <border>San Leonardo</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>490</smallx>
         <smally>297</smally>
         <largex>623</largex>
         <largey>371</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Monarca</name>
   <borders>
        <border>San Leonardo</border>
        <border>Montanes</border>
        <border>Bahama</border>
        <border>Algésiras Bow</border>
        <border>Algésiras Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Tonnant</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>536</smallx>
         <smally>373</smally>
         <largex>682</largex>
         <largey>468</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bahama</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Santa Ana</border>
        <border>Monarca</border>
        <border>Montanes</border>
        <border>San Ildefonso</border>
        <border>Colossus</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>441</smallx>
         <smally>428</smally>
         <largex>561</largex>
         <largey>537</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Juan Nepomuceno</name>
   <borders>
        <border>San Ildefonso</border>
        <border>Dreadnought</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Prince</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>183</smallx>
         <smally>507</smally>
         <largex>234</largex>
         <largey>638</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>San Ildefonso</name>
   <borders>
        <border>San Juan Nepomuceno</border>
        <border>Bahama</border>
        <border>Principe De Asturias Bow</border>
        <border>Principe De Asturias Stern</border>
        <border>Defence</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Defiance</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>301</smallx>
         <smally>479</smally>
         <largex>383</largex>
         <largey>602</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Montanes</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Bahama</border>
        <border>Monarca</border>
        <border>Argonauta</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Achille (B)</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>423</smallx>
         <smally>476</smally>
         <largex>538</largex>
         <largey>598</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Principe De Asturias Bow</name>
   <borders>
        <border>San Ildefonso</border>
        <border>Argonauta</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Prince</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Thunderer</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>303</smallx>
         <smally>564</smally>
         <largex>386</largex>
         <largey>710</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Principe De Asturias Stern</name>
   <borders>
        <border>San Ildefonso</border>
        <border>Argonauta</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Prince</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Thunderer</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>300</smallx>
         <smally>582</smally>
         <largex>382</largex>
         <largey>733</largey>
            </coordinates>
<neutral>3</neutral>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Argonauta</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Montanes</border>
        <border>Principe De Asturias Bow</border>
        <border>Principe De Asturias Stern</border>
        <border>Berwick</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>378</smallx>
         <smally>576</smally>
         <largex>481</largex>
         <largey>725</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End Spanish (L) -->

<!-- Start British (L) -->

<territory>
   <name>Polyphemus</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Ajax</border>
        <border>Leviathan</border>
        <border>Revenge</border>
        <border>Swiftsure (B)</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>243</smallx>
         <smally>319</smally>
         <largex>310</largex>
         <largey>399</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Royal Sovereign Bow</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Leviathan</border>
        <border>Conqueror</border>
        <border>Victory Bow</border>
        <border>Victory Stern</border>
        <border>Mars</border>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Santa Ana</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Pluton</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>372</smallx>
         <smally>304</smally>
         <largex>474</largex>
         <largey>380</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Royal Sovereign Stern</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Leviathan</border>
        <border>Conqueror</border>
        <border>Victory Bow</border>
        <border>Victory Stern</border>
        <border>Mars</border>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Santa Ana</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Pluton</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>383</smallx>
         <smally>324</smally>
         <largex>487</largex>
         <largey>405</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Mars</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Bow</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Stern</border>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
        <border>Colossus</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Fougueux</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>442</smallx>
         <smally>342</smally>
         <largex>562</largex>
         <largey>428</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Tonnant</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Mars</border>
        <border>Colossus</border>
   <border>Algésiras Bow</border>
   <border>Algésiras Stern</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Monarca</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>487</smallx>
         <smally>346</smally>
         <largex>619</largex>
         <largey>433</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Swiftsure (B)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Polyphemus</border>
        <border>Revenge</border>
        <border>Dreadnought</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>213</smallx>
         <smally>366</smally>
         <largex>272</largex>
         <largey>459</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Revenge</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Bellerophen</border>
        <border>Defiance</border>
        <border>Swiftsure (B)</border>
   <border>Polyphemus</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Aigle</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>284</smallx>
         <smally>418</smally>
         <largex>362</largex>
         <largey>525</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>Belleisle</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Bow</border>
        <border>Royal Sovereign Stern</border>
        <border>Colossus</border>
        <border>Achille (B)</border>
        <border>Bellerophen</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Fougueux</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>369</smallx>
         <smally>372</smally>
         <largex>470</largex>
         <largey>467</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Colossus</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
        <border>Mars</border>
        <border>Tonnant</border>
        <border>Swiftsure (F)</border>
        <border>Bahama</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>420</smallx>
         <smally>408</smally>
         <largex>535</largex>
         <largey>512</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Bellerophen</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Revenge</border>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
        <border>Achille (B)</border>
        <border>Defence</border>
        <border>Defiance</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Swiftsure (F)</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>320</smallx>
         <smally>428</smally>
         <largex>408</largex>
         <largey>538</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Defiance</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Revenge</border>
        <border>Bellerophen</border>
        <border>Prince</border>
        <border>Dreadnought</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>San Ildefonso</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Aigle</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>262</smallx>
         <smally>460</smally>
         <largex>334</largex>
         <largey>578</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Achille (B)</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Bellerophen</border>
        <border>Belleisle</border>
        <border>Defence</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Montanes</bombardment>
      <bombardment>San Ildefonso</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>368</smallx>
         <smally>477</smally>
         <largex>469</largex>
         <largey>600</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Dreadnought</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Swiftsure (B)</border>
        <border>Defiance</border>
        <border>Thunderer</border>
        <border>San Juan Nepomuceno</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>168</smallx>
         <smally>490</smally>
         <largex>215</largex>
         <largey>616</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Defence</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Achille (B)</border>
        <border>Bellerophen</border>
        <border>San Ildefonso</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Berwick</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>319</smallx>
         <smally>498</smally>
         <largex>406</largex>
         <largey>626</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
   <name>Prince</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Defiance</border>
        <border>Thunderer</border>
   <border>Achille (F)</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Principe De Asturias Bow</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Principe De Asturias Stern</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>243</smallx>
         <smally>550</smally>
         <largex>310</largex>
         <largey>692</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>


<territory>
   <name>Thunderer</name>
   <borders>
        <border>Dreadnought</border>
        <border>Prince</border>
   </borders>
      <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Principe De Asturias Bow</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Principe De Asturias Stern</bombardment>
      </bombardments>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>184</smallx>
         <smally>577</smally>
         <largex>235</largex>
         <largey>727</largey>
            </coordinates>
</territory>

</map>

[cairnswk]

So, next question now that xml is complete for the map as is....
is everyone happy with this?
of course i had a check over in the map inspect, and hehehehehe!...there is going to be some mighty interesting gameplay come out of this one.

[cairnswk]

Current Version 38

Click image to enlarge.

[cairnswk]

Here is the xml.
http://h1.ripway.com/cairnswk/_Trafalgar.xml

And here are the links to both maps.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... r_V38S.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... r_V38L.jpg

Would somebody like to load these into Map Inspect to determine if the bombards are correct, or do you want them changed somehow, please.

[cairnswk]

i assume everyone is happy with all aspects of this map then?

[the.killing.44]

The Pluton can bombard the two Royal Sovereign terts without a cannon pointing but not the Swiftsure in the same situation? Not that I disagree with this, but it's not too clear in the legend for non-BOB users what constitutes the LoS of a ship/the cannon and the direction it's pointing …

Sorry about the length (or lack thereof). I had a longer one on my comp before it decided to go and die on me …

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